Does anyone have experience with Spider Farmer LED units?

jonnynobody · Jul 20, 2020

chronnie49 said:
Well I am running a smaller version of that setup right now with 1 315 cmh and the alibaba sf1000. I have 4 autos taking up about 3x3 of the tent and temps stay right about 80.

My house stays really hot and even Ireland is warm for a few months out of the year haha. By the time I am running all 4 lights together the weather will be a lot cooler so I should be able to maintain the same temps with a lot more light.

Ireland? Holy smokes dude. I love the Irish. I'm a St. Patty's day baby. Wife cooks me corned beef and cabbage every year for my b-day. Love your accents, and we think the British are assholes here too. Nobody likes the're fucking accents. And I mean nobody

By the way, Amazon boned me. The spider farmer unit won't arrive until Thursday now. The Alibaba unit probably will not arrive until Saturday or Monday. Light speed ahead!

chronnie49 · Jul 20, 2020

jonnynobody said:
Ireland? Holy smokes dude. I love the Irish. I'm a St. Patty's day baby. Wife cooks me corned beef and cabbage every year for my b-day. Love your accents, and we think the British are assholes here too. Nobody likes the're fucking accents. And I mean nobody

By the way, Amazon boned me. The spider farmer unit won't arrive until Thursday now. The Alibaba unit probably will not arrive until Saturday or Monday. Light speed ahead!

I guess i should have mentioned I am American but have lived here for 2 and a half years and dont have any intention on moving back to California.

Thats shitty about the SF but i think they're having inventory issues. Even if you order directly from their website it says preorder for UK and US so business must be booming for them.

jonnynobody · Jul 20, 2020

chronnie49 said:
I guess i should have mentioned I am American but have lived here for 2 and a half years and dont have any intention on moving back to California.

Thats shitty about the SF but i think they're having inventory issues. Even if you order directly from their website it says preorder for UK and US so business must be booming for them.

The pandemic has been very good business for all things cannabis. I'm soaking up unemployment expanding my garden and doing home repairs. Added cameras, security lights, another veg tent, and 2 new lights. What the hell else is there to do? Fortify and make money. Oh, and knock the wife around a little bit once or twice a week

How's the food in Ireland? Other than corned beef and potatoes I can't imagine what the hell they eat over there. What I'm trying to ask you is, what the hell are you sustaining on other than potatoes?

chronnie49 · Jul 20, 2020

Lol well we have a lot of carrots too and a few pints of guinness is a pretty hearty meal. Now if you damn Americans would just stay in your own country these damn covid cases will stop rising :wink:

StareCase · Jul 20, 2020

chronnie49 said:
... we have a lot of carrots too and a few pints of guinness is a pretty hearty meal ...

Not a fan of a straight pint of Guinness ... but our local butcher makes a Steak, Onion & Guinness pot pie that, with a pint of Smithwick's DOES make a pretty hearty meal.

chronnie49 · Jul 20, 2020

StareCase said:
Not a fan of a straight pint of Guinness ... but our local butcher makes a Steak, Onion & Guinness pot pie that, with a pint of Smithwick's DOES make a pretty hearty meal.

That sounds delicious. I'm not a huge fan of Guinness either but I'll have one every once in a while. It makes a difference if its poured then let it sit for a few minutes before drinking it. Guess thats the proper way to do it which I never saw in America.

Right now only pubs that serve food are allowed to be open and theres a 2 hour time limit so I'll just continue to drink at home until this thing blows over.

jonnynobody · Jul 23, 2020

I am amazed by how quickly logistics can move a package. Apparently you can get a light ordered, custom manufactured, and shipped to your front door from China with Alibaba faster than Amazon can deliver a light that's in stock. The Alibaba unit is out for delivery today. The spider farmer unit is out for delivery today. I'm cracking them open as soon as they arrive. I'll take pictures and critique each unit. I'll keep the best of the 2 units regardless of price consideration. If the Alibaba unit is chosen I will save $125 and have a light with more power and more diodes. If the spider farmer unit is chosen I will explain why I went with their unit with fewer diodes and less power. I've got more shit coming in today from more places than I can keep track of. Amazon is here every day, and the drivers just keep getting younger and younger.

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Thebigyin · Jul 23, 2020

AK auto, grown under an sf4000.

jonnynobody · Jul 24, 2020

Thebigyin said:
AK auto, grown under an sf4000.View attachment 4633238

Good looking ladies you have there. Those flowers are looking heavy and dense. Very nice work.

My spider farmer unit didn't get delivered yesterday. Status says delivered, but no dice. Amazon says sometimes they mark an item as delivered even though it hasn't arrived yet. That didn't inspire confidence. Hopefully it'll show later today. The Alibaba unit did show and I took unboxing pics showing the packaging and pics of the drivers, board, and light in action. Impressive is an understatement. 12" away from the light you're getting a hell of a sun tan. It gives off very little heat. The light is a crisp white.

Packaging was immaculate. All seams double taped thoroughly. 2 ratchet ropes included with hanging wires for the board. The heat sink is heavy duty thick aluminum. The dimmer has what looks like a 10' whip on it which is nice for mounting away from the light in a more convenient spot.
All in all I am very satisfied with my Alibaba light. I will order another in the future. From the date I placed my order it took 7 days for the light from Alibaba to arrive from China. I'm very impressed with the service, quality of the unit, and price I paid.

Thebigyin · Jul 24, 2020

jonnynobody said:
Good looking ladies you have there. Those flowers are looking heavy and dense. Very nice work.

My spider farmer unit didn't get delivered yesterday. Status says delivered, but no dice. Amazon says sometimes they mark an item as delivered even though it hasn't arrived yet. That didn't inspire confidence. Hopefully it'll show later today. The Alibaba unit did show and I took unboxing pics showing the packaging and pics of the drivers, board, and light in action. Impressive is an understatement. 12" away from the light you're getting a hell of a sun tan. It gives off very little heat. The light is a crisp white.

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Packaging was immaculate. All seams double taped thoroughly. 2 ratchet ropes included with hanging wires for the board. The heat sink is heavy duty thick aluminum. The dimmer has what looks like a 10' whip on it which is nice for mounting away from the light in a more convenient spot.
All in all I am very satisfied with my Alibaba light. I will order another in the future. From the date I placed my order it took 7 days for the light from Alibaba to arrive from China. I'm very impressed with the service, quality of the unit, and price I paid.

The AK auto front left of picture harvested 58g dry, was my first ever harvest, other three are northern lights feminised photos.

chomchom · Jul 24, 2020

So the box with LED grow light on it, is that a box within a box? Discrete shipping?

jonnynobody · Jul 24, 2020

chomchom said:
So the box with LED grow light on it, is that a box within a box? Discrete shipping?

Box within a box. Most definitely not discreet shipping. The label was directly on the outside of the package. I've got cameras and security lights allover my house, so I'm fairly certain my neighbors know what I'm doing. Still it was a little disconcerting to see it advertised like that to the entire Fedex team. It's not necessarily a concern for me, but if this was 4 years ago when I was growing in my apartment that would have been a major problem. I suspect it may be something for customs to clearly identify what is in the container so it doesn't get held up. Maybe. I'm sure you could make a special request to ensure no labeling is on the exterior regarding the contents of the package. Hell they'll customize anything on the board you want. I can't imagine that would be a difficult request for the merchant to fulfill. Also, if you didn't even want to take a chance of them forgetting your request you could always have the package shipped to a safe location such as a family member or trusted friend.

mauricem00 · Jul 24, 2020

Five of diamonds said:
So this is slightly off topic but not really, because I am considering buying some SF4000s. So bare with me.

Let's say I am looking to cover a 20x20 space. If I went with SF4000s, I would need? Let's say 1 SF4000 truly covers a 3x3. 400watts covering a 5x5 like the company claims, is not gonna happen. not with results I demand for my money. And the reason I say 3x3 is because EVERY 400 watt light I have owned, couldn't give me enough bang for buck in a 4x4 space. I am not talking about what will grow plants. I am talking about maximum yield/quality for my space. So 3x3 seems like all we could expect from a 400 watt light if we are talking about maximum potential for the plant. BUT seeing as how from the looks of things you are a fundamentalist when it comes to defending these lights, i will say 1 SF4000 on a 4x4 will get PRIME results just to appease you. So, to cover a 20x20 space with SF4000s we would need 25 of them... well where i live, on Amazon its $800 per SF4000. So thats $20,000 before tax and shipping...wow

Let's compare to a 1000w DE HPS set up for the same area. 1000w de hps cover 5x5 easy. So we need 16 of them. You can get those with a bulb (not the best bulb in the world) with shade and attached ballast for $300 on Amazon. So thats $4,800. For PROVEN results that cannot be argued by anyone because HPS works and we all know it. So how long do you think you would need to run the HPS room to eat up the saved $15,200 in electricity? Exactly. They cost more money to cool and all that? Bullshit. How about the bigger yields you get with them making up for the extra fans you would need? How about thc% whats the story on that with the battle between lights? Are we 100% certain that the SF4000/other LEDs produce plants that have the same thc content as HPS or CMH? I dont know. I want UV suplimet added with hps, does LED need extra UV?

20,000 bucks for Chinese lights...i dont know man that seems lunatic.

I have found that these work great in a 3ft by 3ft tent and with 2 replacement bulbs ( 20,000 hr claimed bulb life) they are still cheaper than the SF2000. have higher radiant power and a better SPD https://www.amazon.com/cerámico-reflectividad-crecimiento-hidropónico-suspensión/dp/B0788G3P1N/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=330+watt+cmh+grow+light&qid=1595602765&sr=8-9 leds produce no UV and only a narrow blue spectrum and like hps would produce slightly better taste and potency with supplemental UV like these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GBRKXPS/ref=twister_B07GBS5832?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&coliid=I2WUY5TWO5Q9K3&colid=AW7UKM9ED6GM

Five of diamonds · Jul 24, 2020

mauricem00 said:
I have found that these work great in a 3ft by 3ft tent and with 2 replacement bulbs ( 20,000 hr claimed bulb life) they are still cheaper than the SF2000. have higher radiant power and a better SPD https://www.amazon.com/cerámico-reflectividad-crecimiento-hidropónico-suspensión/dp/B0788G3P1N/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=330+watt+cmh+grow+light&qid=1595602765&sr=8-9 leds produce no UV and only a narrow blue spectrum and like hps would produce slightly better taste and potency with supplemental UV like these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GBRKXPS/ref=twister_B07GBS5832?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&coliid=I2WUY5TWO5Q9K3&colid=AW7UKM9ED6GM

I am still considering 2 of them for a 4x6 I have. If i could get them on sale I would pull the trigger.

mauricem00 · Jul 24, 2020

I am not a grow light fundamentalist, i prefer T5s in a 2ftby 4 ft tent but I have grow with HIDs and LEDs and they all have a place.LEDS may replace HPS watt for watt for high yeild but T5s and CMH produce UV and broad spectrum blue which improve vegatative growth and increases potency and flavor.the price on CMH lights is coming down and I have seen them on sale for around $100.

jonnynobody · Jul 24, 2020

mauricem00 said:
I have found that these work great in a 3ft by 3ft tent and with 2 replacement bulbs ( 20,000 hr claimed bulb life) they are still cheaper than the SF2000. have higher radiant power and a better SPD https://www.amazon.com/cerámico-reflectividad-crecimiento-hidropónico-suspensión/dp/B0788G3P1N/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=330+watt+cmh+grow+light&qid=1595602765&sr=8-9 leds produce no UV and only a narrow blue spectrum and like hps would produce slightly better taste and potency with supplemental UV like these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GBRKXPS/ref=twister_B07GBS5832?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&coliid=I2WUY5TWO5Q9K3&colid=AW7UKM9ED6GM

Good looking out there maurice. I don't know why I never tried one of those lights. Great recommendation. Nice price too. I will say even with the great deal I scored on Alibaba $500 is a hit to the piggy bank. I have it mounted in my veg tent currently, but no way I can waste a $500 light in nursery tent. As soon as I cut clones and get my flower room prepped for another cycle I'm mounting it in there to compliment my existing 2 1000w hortilux hps lights and add 4 more plants bringing my total to 16.

I agree with you on going the traditional route for a tent. CMH or T5 produces a beautiful spectrum for vegging plants, and you won't have to leave an arm or a leg at the checkout counter. My 8 lamp 4' T5 rocks and the plants really seem to love the spectrum. As a matter of fact, as much as I do love my quantum board I will be installing another 8 lamp hydrofarm T5 in the nursery tent when I transfer the new LED unit into the flower room. For $178 and free shipping you you can't beat the lumen output and coverage. Hopefully as the manufacturing becomes more efficient the prices will drop dramatically in the years to come. As it stands a 4' high output 8 lamp T5 still rocks the nursery.

Maurice, I have two 2' 8 lamp high output T5 units. When I mount them side by side together in the same nursery tent they just do not have the same output as the 4' unit. Any sense to make of that or are my eyes just playing tricks on me?

mauricem00 · Jul 24, 2020

jonnynobody said:
Good looking out there maurice. I don't know why I never tried one of those lights. Great recommendation. Nice price too. I will say even with the great deal I scored on Alibaba $500 is a hit to the piggy bank. I have it mounted in my veg tent currently, but no way I can waste a $500 light in nursery tent. As soon as I cut clones and get my flower room prepped for another cycle I'm mounting it in there to compliment my existing 2 1000w hortilux hps lights and add 4 more plants bringing my total to 16.

I agree with you on going the traditional route for a tent. CMH or T5 produces a beautiful spectrum for vegging plants, and you won't have to leave an arm or a leg at the checkout counter. My 8 lamp 4' T5 rocks and the plants really seem to love the spectrum. As a matter of fact, as much as I do love my quantum board I will be installing another 8 lamp hydrofarm T5 in the nursery tent when I transfer the new LED unit into the flower room. For $178 and free shipping you you can't beat the lumen output and coverage. Hopefully as the manufacturing becomes more efficient the prices will drop dramatically in the years to come. As it stands a 4' high output 8 lamp T5 still rocks the nursery.

Maurice, I have two 2' 8 lamp high output T5 units. When I mount them side by side together in the same nursery tent they just do not have the same output as the 4' unit. Any sense to make of that or are my eyes just playing tricks on me?

with modern grow bulbs like these https://www.amazon.com/dp/B07GDBQM87/?coliid=I2WUY5TWO5Q9K3&colid=AW7UKM9ED6GM&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it you can get all the deep red you want in flower. and you can use the UV bulb in your flowering room to add UV to that LED. have you looked at these for your veg tent https://www.amazon.com/dp/B019IMM7VK/?coliid=I15G68ZYOZXMO5&colid=AW7UKM9ED6GM&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it ? I have been using their 6 bulb light for 5 years and have no complaints

jonnynobody · Jul 27, 2020

The spider farmer unit finally arrived from Amazon. Stealth packaging. There was nothing on the box indicating it's contents. The only label I saw other than the shipping label was "Fragile. Handle with care." I apologize for not taking photos of the box and unpacking. I was in a bit of a rush. It is a beautiful unit. The difference I noticed on the spider farmer unit is the dimmer knob is attached to the board with a box that has 2 plug-in's saying "channel 1" and "channel 2." Not sure what that would be used for. If anybody else does fire away.

I have it currently in a 4'x4'x6.5' mother / clone tent. I can't run the light at full power or it will fry the plants. I ran it at full power for 1 day and the leaves began curling on my largest plant from too much light. I reduced to 40% and that seems to be working okay. However, I have noticed damage occurring on the small plants and on my large hash plant mother due to the light. It may just be damage from the 1 day I ran the light at full power. Time will tell.

I really can't imagine running these at full blast inside of a tent less than 5'x5'x6.5' without causing leaf damage. Temperature isn't even the issue. It's just light intensity frying the hell out of the foliage. Very appropriate for a flower room, but I don't think I have any desire to run these quantum boards in my nurseries or mother tent for vegetative growth. The nursery that has my T5 in it has the best looking plants of all 3 tents. I will take photos and post them for a visual.

Exact same model mean well driver as the Alibaba unit. The Alibaba unit has 3 drivers versus 2 on the spider farmer pushing more power to each diode.

Is this just a magnesium deficiency? I give ample amounts, but I've heard the quantum board LED's can cause the plant to require more magnesium. None of the plants in my T5 nursery tent show this type of damage. It is much less visible in my other nursery tent with the Alibaba unit, but I also never ran that unit at full power for an entire day. I have run it at about 50% due to the intensity I noticed on the first day I fired it up. I felt like my temps were in check in the mother tent where I installed the spider farmer unit, and there would be no issue at full power. I thought wrong. That unit really cranks out some light intensity, and the plants show the damage from my operator error.

I am impressed with the quality of the spider farmer unit. The only variance I noticed is the dimmer knobs and power output. Spider farmer has a nice knob that shows 20%, 40%, etc...The Alibaba dimmer doesn't have an indicator showing 20%, 40%, etc...It's just a knob. The Alibaba unit operates at 660w versus 450w on the spider farmer. Naturally the Alibaba unit pushes out more intensity at full power.

I will return the spider farmer unit and keep the Alibaba unit. I find it to be a better value for $125 less than the spider farmer unit. There is value in purchasing off of Amazon versus Alibaba though, and that cannot be ignored. I can't say enough great things about both units, but clearly the Alibaba unit provides me a better value with more power going to each diode.

jonnynobody · Jul 27, 2020

I should also say that I had the lights improperly mounted too close to the canopy. I removed the cheap wire straps and installed my own carabiners on ratchet straps at each corner of the board. 4 ratchet straps to each light. I cinched it up close to the top of the tent, but leaving plenty of headroom so the drivers do not make contact with the top of the tent. If you use the factory wires they supply the light hangs down ridiculously low within a tent. Operator error on my part. I truly didn't expect these things to produce that kind of output.

Thebigyin · Jul 27, 2020

jonnynobody said:
The spider farmer unit finally arrived from Amazon. Stealth packaging. There was nothing on the box indicating it's contents. The only label I saw other than the shipping label was "Fragile. Handle with care." I apologize for not taking photos of the box and unpacking. I was in a bit of a rush. It is a beautiful unit. The difference I noticed on the spider farmer unit is the dimmer knob is attached to the board with a box that has 2 plug-in's saying "channel 1" and "channel 2." Not sure what that would be used for. If anybody else does fire away.

I have it currently in a 4'x4'x6.5' mother / clone tent. I can't run the light at full power or it will fry the plants. I ran it at full power for 1 day and the leaves began curling on my largest plant from too much light. I reduced to 40% and that seems to be working okay. However, I have noticed damage occurring on the small plants and on my large hash plant mother due to the light. It may just be damage from the 1 day I ran the light at full power. Time will tell.

I really can't imagine running these at full blast inside of a tent less than 5'x5'x6.5' without causing leaf damage. Temperature isn't even the issue. It's just light intensity frying the hell out of the foliage. Very appropriate for a flower room, but I don't think I have any desire to run these quantum boards in my nurseries or mother tent for vegetative growth. The nursery that has my T5 in it has the best looking plants of all 3 tents. I will take photos and post them for a visual.

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Exact same model mean well driver as the Alibaba unit. The Alibaba unit has 3 drivers versus 2 on the spider farmer pushing more power to each diode.
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Is this just a magnesium deficiency? I give ample amounts, but I've heard the quantum board LED's can cause the plant to require more magnesium. None of the plants in my T5 nursery tent show this type of damage. It is much less visible in my other nursery tent with the Alibaba unit, but I also never ran that unit at full power for an entire day. I have run it at about 50% due to the intensity I noticed on the first day I fired it up. I felt like my temps were in check in the mother tent where I installed the spider farmer unit, and there would be no issue at full power. I thought wrong. That unit really cranks out some light intensity, and the plants show the damage from my operator error.

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I am impressed with the quality of the spider farmer unit. The only variance I noticed is the dimmer knobs and power output. Spider farmer has a nice knob that shows 20%, 40%, etc...The Alibaba dimmer doesn't have an indicator showing 20%, 40%, etc...It's just a knob. The Alibaba unit operates at 660w versus 450w on the spider farmer. Naturally the Alibaba unit pushes out more intensity at full power.

I will return the spider farmer unit and keep the Alibaba unit. I find it to be a better value for $125 less than the spider farmer unit. There is value in purchasing off of Amazon versus Alibaba though, and that cannot be ignored. I can't say enough great things about both units, but clearly the Alibaba unit provides me a better value with more power going to each diode.

I run mine at full power from seed, apart from it talking me some time to find the ideal hight from the canopy, I've had no problems.

Does anyone have experience with Spider Farmer LED units?

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