Does anyone on here grow non magic Mushrooms?
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welshsmoker
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try the gardening section mate.
Yep I looked there first.. Not much mushroom talk at all there.
welshsmoker
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thats that idea fucked then...
canndo
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Um...... I wish you the very very best of luck, morels (black) are extremely resistant to domestication. there is but a single industrial sized grow in the U.S.
I would seriously suggest that unless you have some experience with some of the others, you refrain from tackling what is one of the most difficult mushrooms to grow - we don't really know what the fruiting trigger is, nor do we know the growth paramaters.
Morels have several stages - their mycelium is one of the fastest growing of all perfecti - and you can easily induce them into forming sclerotia. Now comes the hard part - the fruit eminate from those sclerotia. Some believe it best to place those scerotia in sandy soil that has a percentage of charcoal, some say clay, some say good loam and no charcol.
None have had consistant success. Morels have been found in the "wild" in people's ignored fireplaces, in their bbq pits, in tubs of plants in nurseries, in fact no one seems to be able to correlate all of those factors. If you are able to do that, then you can if you wish, become a millionare without too much trouble after your discovery.
the person who figured out the sclerotia/fruit connection sold his patent to "Morel Mountain" (I believe) and Domino's pizza aquired a large stake in it. The person who found the tequnique was an avid p. Cubensis grower and stumbled upon the solution - this tequnique works only with the black morel - good luck and let me know how things work out, I am very interested and would love to be able to grow a mushroom that sells for more than 200 a lb wet.
(and tastes better than 99 percent of all others.
There is a story of what happened after Mt. Saint Helens blew. It seems that the following year there was such a profusion of morels in the area that foragers would come back from a day trip with the beds of their pickup trucks filled to overflowing with these gems. They were said to be some of the largest and more well formed fruit anyone in the region had ever seen.
People were overjoyed - it was like finding gold and picking up nuggets wherever one looked. Never mind the fact that one could indulge in every sort of mushroom meal one could imagine - morel mushroom soup is very rare because it takes so many morels to make the soup.
The problem was.... that the fruit was all heavily embedded with very fine volcanic ash - in essence, tiny particles of gray sand, making the fruit inedible no matter how well one cleaned them.
Tears, wails and the nashing of teeth ensued.
Here is my plan and what I posted on the other forum ,, I am very big into grow veggies for the farmers market. I am trying to get my 10yr old daughter more involved with growing things. So I have always wanted to grow mushies but just never have had the time to do it.. So I am thinking this would be a good project for the kiddo to do (with help from me) .. And with any luck at all she can grow a few to take to the market with me.. I "think" I will have a plan that will work, but would like you all to beat me up on what is wrong with my plan.. Would like to make this fun for the kiddo but rewarding also.. Nothing sucks worse that seeing no fruits for you labor..
So here is the plan.
#1 get some spore syringes
#2 noc up some jars of WBS or BRF or (fill in the blank)
This project will start this month. We have a bathroom in the basement that is unused.. I plan on keeping the noc up jars in the closet of the bathroom until they are fully ready.
We live on a farm and have access to wheat straw. We also have a pellet wood stove and pellet meat smoker. Both take different pellets.. So should I go with the basket straw route or go another route and use the pellets? I plan on doing all of the first grow in this bathroom (test) ... And as the weather gets warmer (midwest) I would like to move the grow outside below our deck (walkout Basment)
Ok now I would like your input on my plan please.
So here is the plan.
#1 get some spore syringes
#2 noc up some jars of WBS or BRF or (fill in the blank)
This project will start this month. We have a bathroom in the basement that is unused.. I plan on keeping the noc up jars in the closet of the bathroom until they are fully ready.
We live on a farm and have access to wheat straw. We also have a pellet wood stove and pellet meat smoker. Both take different pellets.. So should I go with the basket straw route or go another route and use the pellets? I plan on doing all of the first grow in this bathroom (test) ... And as the weather gets warmer (midwest) I would like to move the grow outside below our deck (walkout Basment)
Ok now I would like your input on my plan please.
canndo
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That will most likely not get you where you want to do. Mushrooms are all very very different, they have different requirements, they have different cycles - few mushrooms will grow in the same maner as cubensis - which is one of the easiest of all mushrooms to grow (fortunately for us).
You will be far better served if you wish your little one to experience the joy of mushroom cultivation to go to a kit or a pre spawned bag. Not only will you see results in a short enough time to keep your child interested but you will discover if this hobby is for you folks without going through all the hassle and requrements necessary to do a full on grow.
Paul Stamets is THE premier mushroom expert on the planet and he has done more to popularize mycology than any other human being in history. He has discovered a series of mycoremediation processes, he has been instrumental in discovering the interconnectedness of the mycological with nature and he is ongoingly working on mushrooms in health.
He tells a story of how his mother, a devout christian scientist finally called him and complained of a very large lump in her breast. He finally got her to see a specialist and was informed that she was in stage 4 and acutely terminal. The doctor told her that there was a study that perhaps he could get her into - the study was involving mushrooms as a cancer cure. As it later turned out, Paul Stamets was the supplier of the mushrooms being used in the study - now this is a single, anecdotal event, but the result was that after using his product within the confines of this perfectly scientific double blind study, his mother went into full remission. I love that story.
Were I you, (and I have tried each of his kits to varying success) I would invest in some of these kits.
[http://www.fungi.com/shop/mushroom-kits/indoor-mushroom-kits.html]
Pick a few, buy them as they are available and try your hand. While you are at it, put a glove box together and learn the rudaments of agar work. If and when you manage to get a kit to fruit, take one of the fruit and get a clone growing on a dish - from there you can go to propagation into spawn, and from spawn, start your own bags - then you will have a firm idea of what you are into and you may find a new love.
stonestare
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lilmonk hello, yes this is the same person that contacted you over there.Same name, same pic. Canndo has the knowledge but he is really the only one here that does. I am not at all knocking canndo or other members here but if you go back to the other site and read in the vaults and do searches about a specific species you will find a shit ton of information there about the differant varietys and how to grow them wether they are edible or magic. gaining knowledge on mushrooms is tough and the other site proboly has the most comprehensive information you will find in 1 website. I am not at all telling you to not keep looking around, I myself am not growing magic now,but trying to gain information on Morels. Go to the vaults on the other site and read, trust me this hobby of growing shrooms is a bitch because trying to find information and knowledge.In no way can you read 1 or 2 articles and gain the info. I posted you a link on the base knowledge you need,how to sterilize, make spawn, growing medium, conditions to fruit. That link will tell you how to make Liquid Culture-using spores to mass produce ect.. Now you need to determine what species you want to grow and the specifics involved. I know the info I provided is to grow magic but that deffinatly applys to most forms of edibles.You are just going to have to spend your free time researching before you can make a decision on the exact species best works for you, IE growing times, the growing medium, temp needed to grow them. If you read the cloning tek you can take a store bought mushroom and use that to start your project, but you have to know how to grow it and its all there at the other site.Please forgive me if I sound rude or brash I am NOT trying to be that way at all, I just trying to get you in the right direction. This not easy and requires alot of research time (reading) before you make an attempt.There is a reason why mushrooms cost the money they do most people do not have the patience to read off and on for a month before they try to grow them.Good luck to you and if I can help you i will, I honestly take satisfaction being able to help people out, and watching something grow from nothing. I am not here daily like I am at the other site but i will try to help you anyway I can. I am at the other site daily if you feel more comfortable dealing with me directly instead of the masses just click on my name and send me a private message. If your overwhelemed send me an email and the names of mushrooms found in your grocery and will send you some links about them to get you started.