Does government have the "authority" to force mandatory vaccinations on unwilling individuals ? Where does that authority come from ?

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Rob Roy

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Did you know it is estimated that vaccines save about 3 million lives worldwide each year!

where does that authority come from?
All rightful authority comes from individual free people making choices about their own lives.

No rightful authority comes from individual or collections of individuals forcing their choices into others lives.

That is where the answers are. Ponder that.
 

Horselover fat

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"By not wearing a tiger proof metal suit, you willingly place man eating tigers on you when you run screaming from the fields back into the village with the Tiger still on your back !!! " - Horse lips the gun lover

"By voting for a murderer willingly and giving him money to enable his murders, you bear no responsibility for his murders " - Horse face the innocent
You really like absurd comparisons.
 

Hydro4life

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All rightful authority comes from individual free people making choices about their own lives.

No rightful authority comes from individual or collections of individuals forcing their choices into others lives.

That is where the answers are. Ponder that.
Yes, in a perfect world.
But there are more than 1 form of authority rob.
Charismatic, legal-rational and traditional authority for example.
just because it’s not rightful, doesn’t mean the authority isn’t there :wink:
 

Rob Roy

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I want to exclude persons who will not vaccinate against communicable diseases, because I don't think they have the right to infect others.
Then shouldn't you stay on your own property and exclude people then as you wish to do ?

Oh shit, why are you running towards me with a tiger on your back !!???
 

Horselover fat

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A tiger is an uncontrolled third party you did not wish to engage. It leapt on you.

Isn't that what a virus is, an uncontrolled third party that leapt on you ?

Where's the absurdity, please elaborate.
If you had an easy way to not attract tigers and bring them back to our village then I really would want you to use it. I might even want to mandate using it.
 

Rob Roy

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just because it’s not rightful, doesn’t mean the authority isn’t there :wink:
Poor excuse, could be used to excuse murder, assault, theft and rape.

All laws which aren't rightful should be ignored until abolished.

All authority which violates rights is an indictment against the authority.
 

Rob Roy

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If you had an easy way to not attract tigers and bring them back to our village then I really would want you to use it. I might even want to mandate using it.
You could want to mandate it, but to enact the mandate would require you stand trial for any deaths which result, not to mention you don't have the authority to mandate an action like that.

Thanks for playing along. Watch out for tigers.

Peace.
 

Hydro4life

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Poor excuse, could be used to excuse murder, assault, theft and rape.

All laws which aren't rightful should be ignored until abolished.

All authority which violates rights is an indictment against the authority.
So when do all the indictments commence around the world? Not in our lifetime.

you think this world is based around rightful authority? That would be nice, but it isn’t.

you may be asking the wrong questions here rob? “Where does that authority come from”
It isn’t the public’s rightful authority at all.

if you have the rightful authority to choose wether or not to get that vaccine, it’s because a governing body has allowed you too.
Or is that rightful authority???
 

Rob Roy

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if you have the rightful authority to choose wether or not to get that vaccine, it’s because a governing body has allowed you too.
Or is that rightful authority???
You would still have a right to choose, even when another person(s) blocks you from exercising the right or enacting your choices.
Since rights are ideas, perhaps based in logic.

Governing bodies (just people really) could protect your right to exercise a right or prevent you from exercising it, but rights don't come from them.
 

Hydro4life

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That’s what I’m saying rob, an authority (wether a governing body or other) has given you the right to choose.
The authority was never yours in the first place.
Deception is the art of war my friend.
 

UncleBuck

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Well there certainly were racists running some governments. Do you ever find it ironic that two huuuge racists are sometimes seen as "Great Presidents" ?

FDR, was a racist thief. Easily documentable.

LBJ was a racist thief. Easily documentable.

If my "forcible injection theory is a joke, are you saying you're fine with removal of consent as a necessary ingredient when it comes to putting things into other persons bodies? (You won't answer this most likely)
the “no negroes allowed” sign guy is very upset by racism now
 

UncleBuck

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"I'm from the government and I'm here to help".

"First EVERYBODY is kicked out of stores, the owners can just fuck off. "

"Hey you, 12 year old boy chained in Uncle Buskegees basement, come on up here and get your "free" injection!!! What? You can't consent, well wheee doggy, we're gonna stick something in your body little feller and put mom and dad in a "re-education camp" if they object. "
you can’t rape 12 year old boys
 

LoStDots25

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If it is proven that a coronavirus vaccine works, and if the coronavirus is as dangerous and contagious as it is being reported to be, would you still not take the vaccine? How about if it was twice as deadly as I'm sure will we see in future illnesses? Would you and yours be one of the last remaining reservoirs for a life threatening illness? Would you endanger your community and maybe even the rest of humanity?

Smallpox was eradicated. We have the ability to eradicate this strain of the coronavirus. There are too many of us on this too small petri dish we call a planet for the individual to really be "individual" anymore. Just like a good gardener treats or removes the sick or infested plant, we will maintain a pest and pathogen free growspace. We can not afford to let the rest of the crop fail.

I can honestly say that I would feel it my moral responsibility to enforce vaccines for any life threatening and highly contagious pathogen. I don't especially like the idea of some lab grown vaccine being pumped into my veins, I was an organic farmer for 7 years, but it's the best option we have right now. The benefits of eradicating a threat to humanity outweigh the risks of vaccines.

You keep saying that administering a vaccine is like raping someone. Last I remember getting a potentially life, economy, society saving shot was nothing like getting forcefully buttfucked without even the common courtesy of spit.
 

UncleBuck

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Did you know Hitler injected Jews in concentration camps against their will too
remember when I told everyone that you would refuse to acknowledge how many Jews were murdered in the holocaust and then I asked you how many Jews were murdered in the holocaust and you refused to answer and even said you didn’t know?

That was because I can spot a holocaust denying neo nazi and am smarter than you
 

Kassiopeija

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If it is proven that a coronavirus vaccine works, and if the coronavirus is as dangerous and contagious as it is being reported to be, would you still not take the vaccine? How about if it was twice as deadly as I'm sure will we see in future illnesses? Would you and yours be one of the last remaining reservoirs for a life threatening illness? Would you endanger your community and maybe even the rest of humanity?

Smallpox was eradicated. We have the ability to eradicate this strain of the coronavirus. There are too many of us on this too small petri dish we call a planet for the individual to really be "individual" anymore. Just like a good gardener treats or removes the sick or infested plant, we will maintain a pest and pathogen free growspace. We can not afford to let the rest of the crop fail.

I can honestly say that I would feel it my moral responsibility to enforce vaccines for any life threatening and highly contagious pathogen. I don't especially like the idea of some lab grown vaccine being pumped into my veins, I was an organic farmer for 7 years, but it's the best option we have right now. The benefits of eradicating a threat to humanity outweigh the risks of vaccines.

You keep saying that administering a vaccine is like raping someone. Last I remember getting a potentially life, economy, society saving shot was nothing like getting forcefully buttfucked without even the common courtesy of spit.
Your conclusion is what I call common sense and the guy tries to weasel around that by drawign absurd association in order to illustrate a point or to make an analogy - yet all he's doing is oversimplifying the greater picture which suddenly turn from multitudes of grey into black & white solely...

As mankinds number rises pathogens like viruses will become ever a greater problem - not only will they kill much more people, the likelihood of their appearance will also rise. this is exacerbating the problem - at some point, there may not be much individual choice left to make if the harm would be too great. I think we're all just witnessing a change int he trend of how people are aware of pathogens and their transfer....
 
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