Don't lose your head, convert to Islam

desert dude

desert dude

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Padawanbater2 said:
"For three days, according to participants and audio recordings, thousands of Ugandans, including police officers, teachers and national politicians, listened raptly to the Americans, who were presented as experts on homosexuality. The visitors discussed how to make gay people straight, how gay men often sodomized teenage boys and how “the gay movement is an evil institution” whose goal is “to defeat the marriage-based society and replace it with a culture of sexual promiscuity.”

They knew exactly what they were doing, and they justified it using Christianity.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

“I feel duped,” Mr. Schmierer said, arguing that he had been invited to speak on “parenting skills” for families with gay children. He acknowledged telling audiences how homosexuals could be converted into heterosexuals, but he said he had no idea some Ugandans were contemplating the death penalty for homosexuality.

“That’s horrible, absolutely horrible,” he said. “Some of the nicest people I have ever met are gay people.”
 
UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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desert dude said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html

“I feel duped,” Mr. Schmierer said, arguing that he had been invited to speak on “parenting skills” for families with gay children. He acknowledged telling audiences how homosexuals could be converted into heterosexuals, but he said he had no idea some Ugandans were contemplating the death penalty for homosexuality.

“That’s horrible, absolutely horrible,” he said. “Some of the nicest people I have ever met are gay people.”
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I was actually one of the people that helped to start the pro-family movement there. …they were finding people there, primarily homosexual men from Europe and the United States coming into the country and working to try to change the social values. And they didn’t know what to do. They had never had a pro-family movement. This was all new to them. So they wanted to draft some kind of law. And it wasn’t written at that point. It was just sort of the idea that they wanted to do something. So they invited me to come and speak along with a couple of other people from the U.S., and I did. - scott lively
 
SmokeyDan

SmokeyDan

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Padawanbater2 said:
What about the death penalty in Uganda for being homosexual, explicitly promoted by USA Christians?

"Both male and female homosexual activity is illegal. Under the Penal Code, "carnal knowledge against the order of nature" between two males carries a potential penalty of life imprisonment and executions/torture are allowed with no legal liabilities for the executioners.

In November 2012, the speaker of the Parliament of Uganda promised to enact a revised anti-homosexuality bill, providing for harsher penalties against suspected LGBT people and anyone who fails to report them to authorities, including long-term imprisonment and the death penalty for what the law terms "repeat offenders".

Torture and executions occur and police participate or turn a blind eye to it."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Uganda
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That is not a convert or die law.

Still, that notwithstanding, can you find any homosexuals executed by the state there because they were gay?

It is simply a law on the books to serve as a deterrent, like the death penalty in many states, not intended to be used.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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SmokeyDan said:
That is not a convert or die law.

Still, that notwithstanding, can you find any homosexuals executed by the state there because they were gay?

It is simply a law on the books to serve as a deterrent, like the death penalty in many states, not intended to be used.
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The point I was making was that all organized religion can be just as evil because they can always justify their behavior using their respective religious texts. So for you to suggest anyone who recruits anyone to Islam should be killed, it would be just as ignorant to suggest the same about Christians, or Jews, or any other religion. The vast majority of theist don't cut peoples heads off, only the tiny vocal minority do insane shit like that.

You are the equivalent of that small vocal minority except in the west fighting for team Christian.


You probably have more in common than you think..
 
SmokeyDan

SmokeyDan

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Padawanbater2 said:
The point I was making was that all organized religion can be just as evil because they can always justify their behavior using their respective religious texts. So for you to suggest anyone who recruits anyone to Islam should be killed, it would be just as ignorant to suggest the same about Christians, or Jews, or any other religion. The vast majority of theist don't cut peoples heads off, only the tiny vocal minority do insane shit like that.

You are the equivalent of that small vocal minority except in the west fighting for team Christian.


You probably have more in common than you think..
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When have i said I wanted to kill, convert, or eliminate muslims?

When have i even said I was a christian?

Even bill Maher says christianity is benign.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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greenlikemoney said:
And you are in second place behind Uncle Black in the "race of fools".
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You're the one that proved my point that Christianity can be just as dangerous as Islam. You're the western counterpart and modern day equivalent of a Middle Eastern Muslim extremist and you justify it using Christianity.

SmokeyDan said:
The Maher episodes from around the time ISIS started taking over parts of Iraq he said it nearly every episode.

He might have put a "relatively" in front of "harmless".
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Again, I'd disagree with Maher. Christianity (all modern organized religion) can be dangerous and in many cases, is very dangerous.
 
SmokeyDan

SmokeyDan

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Padawanbater2 said:
You're the one that proved my point that Christianity can be just as dangerous as Islam. You're the western counterpart and modern day equivalent of a Middle Eastern Muslim extremist and you justify it using Christianity.



Again, I'd disagree with Maher. Christianity (all modern organized religion) can be dangerous and in many cases, is very dangerous.
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Christians kill people, atheists kill people.

Atheist regimes in the west killed more people last century by far than the christian faith ever has.

Stalin and Mao, and the Kims of N KOREA kill in the name of atheism. Hitler suppressed the church and killed.

Sure, an infinitesimal percent of christians have killed an abortion doctor.

It's no where near as threatening as atheism.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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SmokeyDan said:
Christians kill people, atheists kill people.

Atheist regimes in the west killed more people last century by far than the christian faith ever has.

Stalin and Mao, and the Kims of N KOREA kill in the name of atheism. Hitler suppressed the church and killed.

Sure, an infinitesimal percent of christians have killed an abortion doctor.

It's no where near as threatening as atheism.
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Prove what I bolded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity#Racialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
 
SmokeyDan

SmokeyDan

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Padawanbater2 said:
Prove what I bolded.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Irish_Republican_Army

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Identity#Racialism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_and_violence
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Violence is part of the human condition, any human group or association will have violence associated with it in some way.

Where the rubber meets the road in saying any concept is violent is if the violence it spawns is more than others.

Christianity, considering it has 2 billion followers, has a remarkably low violence potential. It's far exceeded by Islam.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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SmokeyDan said:
Violence is part of the human condition, any human group or association will have violence associated with it in some way.

Where the rubber meets the road in saying any concept is violent is if the violence it spawns is more than others.

Christianity, considering it has 2 billion followers, has a remarkably low violence potential. It's far exceeded by Islam.
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Again, I would wholeheartedly disagree
 
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