Dr. Bruce Bugbee method: NASA technique on Mars etc.

Vizzaro

Vizzaro

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BonnMac said:
Great question as this is my first grow, as well.
Variables include dry vs wet trim. Apparently drying the whole plant intact with most, if not all leaves, preserves the fragrance and flavour.
My understanding is it's best to first dry at low temperatures with humidity between 45-55% for at least 7 to 14 days.
All this seems to be more related to bro-science and less Bugbee.;)
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Yes I have looked into the Wet Trim vs Dry Trim and I found a podcast called Growcast and in one episode they had a guest by the name of Doctor Coco from Cocoforcannabis.com and Dr. Coco mentions he likes to wet trim his plants and get them out of the dry phase as quick as possible (3 days). And get his weed right into jars and start the curing process. He says he does this to avoid any risks of mold which mainly happens during the drying phase when people try to dry for too long increasing their risk of mold. But I guess there are other variables to consider as well. For 1 I think I harvested a bit early I hear you need to harvest at the right time cause some plants smell better at different stages of flower. Also 2 I grew bagseed. And 3 I think I may have had Nitrogen Excess since a bit of leaves were shiny and dark green and I hear too much Nitrogen makes your plants smell more like grass. The flowers looked amazing though. And the weed gets me high.
 
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BonnMac

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Vizzaro said:
Yes I have looked into the Wet Trim vs Dry Trim and I found a podcast called Growcast and in one episode they had a guest by the name of Doctor Coco from Cocoforcannabis.com and Dr. Coco mentions he likes to wet trim his plants and get them out of the dry phase as quick as possible (3 days). And get his weed right into jars and start the curing process. He says he does this to avoid any risks of mold which mainly happens during the drying phase when people try to dry for too long increasing their risk of mold. But I guess there are other variables to consider as well. For 1 I think I harvested a bit early I hear you need to harvest at the right time cause some plants smell better at different stages of flower. Also 2 I grew bagseed. And 3 I think I may have had Nitrogen Excess since a bit of leaves were shiny and dark green and I hear too much Nitrogen makes your plants smell more like grass. The flowers looked amazing though. And the weed gets me high.
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That seems to be the consensus - Harvesting slightly ahead of full ripening seems to have an impact on smell and taste.

I’m taking the low and slow drying approach.

I have one plant harvested slightly before its prime, as well.Will be interesting to do a side by side comparison to the other plant which was harvested, hopefully, at the right time.

Thanks for the tip on the podcast.
Checking it out tonight.
 
Vizzaro

Vizzaro

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BonnMac said:
That seems to be the consensus - Harvesting slightly ahead of full ripening seems to have an impact on smell and taste.

I’m taking the low and slow drying approach.

I have one plant harvested slightly before its prime, as well.Will be interesting to do a side by side comparison to the other plant which was harvested, hopefully, at the right time.

Thanks for the tip on the podcast.
Checking it out tonight.
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Here is the link to the website with their specific episodes on growcast. Check out the dry and cure episode. https://www.cocoforcannabis.com/toc/podcasts/
 
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guitarguy10

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JonCreighton said:
Most scientists refer to their research as "my lab". iv only ever seen the guy give credit. i can specifically remember him shouting out the girl in the far red videos multiple times and if u watch the video where he displays his lab he goes thru all the achievements of his grad students. i think he literally even has them posterised all over the walls of the lab.

Before this guy we had the Chandra at all and what else.... not much.
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Uh, you've clearly never worked in a research lab or pursued graduate level studies have you? Of course all of his grad students work is 'posterised all over the walls', that's how it works. Defending your thesis dissertation is a long and pretty gruelling process and most post doc research fellows won't give you a second of their time to listen to until you've published *at least* one peer reviewed journal article and demonstrated your presentation skills in the form of posters or abstracts that have been placed on the walls of your post doc fellows lab. It's like this in every academic research lab I've ever been in including the one where my own work was 'posterised all over the walls'.

I'm not even trying to defend Dr. Bugbee here, just every single academic research lab at least in North America. Now in his defence though, he defended his own thesis back in 1984, he has DOZENS of peer reviewed papers of which he is the primary author and he is now a tenured Professor at USU and teaches graduate level classes in Environmental Plant Physiology, Plant Nutrition and Environmental Instrumentation. This is how academic research science works: graduate level students do research under the mentorship of their post doc fellow who guides them, gets the necessary funding to equip their lab (which is no joke, it takes A LOT of work and hours to get a research grant), peer reviews their work (as well as any of the research papers in their field of study waiting to be peer reviewed before publication), writes their own textbooks and teaches several classes in the capacity of a Professor. This is how Universities work and the work is just as much his as it is the graduate students he mentors to generate the results.
 
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JonCreighton

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guitarguy10 said:
Uh, you've clearly never worked in a research lab or pursued graduate level studies have you? Of course all of his grad students work is 'posterised all over the walls', that's how it works. Defending your thesis dissertation is a long and pretty gruelling process and most post doc research fellows won't give you a second of their time to listen to until you've published *at least* one peer reviewed journal article and demonstrated your presentation skills in the form of posters or abstracts that have been placed on the walls of your post doc fellows lab. It's like this in every academic research lab I've ever been in including the one where my own work was 'posterised all over the walls'.

I'm not even trying to defend Dr. Bugbee here, just every single academic research lab at least in North America. Now in his defence though, he defended his own thesis back in 1984, he has DOZENS of peer reviewed papers of which he is the primary author and he is now a tenured Professor at USU and teaches graduate level classes in Environmental Plant Physiology, Plant Nutrition and Environmental Instrumentation. This is how academic research science works: graduate level students do research under the mentorship of their post doc fellow who guides them, gets the necessary funding to equip their lab (which is no joke, it takes A LOT of work and hours to get a research grant), peer reviews their work (as well as any of the research papers in their field of study waiting to be peer reviewed before publication), writes their own textbooks and teaches several classes in the capacity of a Professor. This is how Universities work and the work is just as much his as it is the graduate students he mentors to generate the results.
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what are u trying to say?

someone said he should give credit. i was saying he gives about as much credit to the people who do the research in his lab that u can expect.

i was just listening to andrew hubermans new podcast... it was constaly "at my lab" "resarch done at so and sos lab" he never once mentioed by name the post docs who did the labor (i get the eric weinstein model).

i dont really get what ur tryinng to say. i think hating on this guy is just being a straight up hater.
 
BonnMac

BonnMac

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JonCreighton said:
what are u trying to say?

someone said he should give credit. i was saying he gives about as much credit to the people who do the research in his lab that u can expect.

i was just listening to andrew hubermans new podcast... it was constaly "at my lab" "resarch done at so and sos lab" he never once mentioed by name the post docs who did the labor (i get the eric weinstein model).

i dont really get what ur tryinng to say. i think hating on this guy is just being a straight up hater.
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Looks to me like you guys are on the same page.
Maybe guitar hit the wrong reply button?
 
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Pelicanwheel

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Vizzaro.... Bugbee said that an EC between 1.0 and 2.0 is acceptable. He mentioned that in a reply in comments on his video. Someone posted his exact words in a post in this thread back in January.

FYI
 
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Vizzaro

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Pelicanwheel said:
Vizzaro.... Bugbee said that an EC between 1.0 and 2.0 is acceptable. He mentioned that in a reply in comments on his video. Someone posted his exact words in a post in this thread back in January.

FYI
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I posted the exact words in this thread. Haha. Yes I know. I guess it just seems maybe that was a bit too much for my plants in their 3 gallon pots and using only a 240W LED.
 
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aed

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JonCreighton said:
Most scientists refer to their research as "my lab". iv only ever seen the guy give credit. i can specifically remember him shouting out the girl in the far red videos multiple times and if u watch the video where he displays his lab he goes thru all the achievements of his grad students. i think he literally even has them posterised all over the walls of the lab.

Before this guy we had the Chandra at all and what else.... not much.
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Plus one on Bugbee's attitude. He is incredibly thoughtful in giving his students credit. His grad students are a fortunate bunch in my opinion. :mrgreen:
 
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Pelicanwheel

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Vizzaro said:
I posted the exact words in this thread. Haha. Yes I know. I guess it just seems maybe that was a bit too much for my plants in their 3 gallon pots and using only a 240W LED.
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How has your grow gone. I'm in the middle of the exact Bugbee recommendation and so far so good.
 
TOWERSGROW

TOWERSGROW

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Guys , as per my previous post ,
I made all from the bugbee video ...
Vermiculite - acid peat -gypsum - dolomite
Then I used nuts and irrigate exceeding 10% of water as he said .
now :
Vegetative was ok ... not explosive
Flowering was a nightmare
I really think 50% vermiculite is too high and acid peat it’s a risky choice because it’s hard to manage the ph .
If u have to prepare a large qt of soil , then u must have the proper machine to mix it correctly .
I made flowers with no structure “empty” and it took about 90 days to make them ready ...

my personal experience was bad with this recipe .
I came back to my old soil with the right qt of vermiculite/perlite . Same old nuts . Things went fine and well .
 
Overgrowtho

Overgrowtho

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TOWERSGROW said:
Vermiculite - acid peat -gypsum - dolomite
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Try with less acidic peat moss? I am using peat moss that is not overly acidic, and having good results. Already on the third run with this medium. This seems to be the main or only form of peat available to me in my geographic location.
 
BonnMac

BonnMac

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TOWERSGROW said:
Guys , as per my previous post ,
I made all from the bugbee video ...
Vermiculite - acid peat -gypsum - dolomite
Then I used nuts and irrigate exceeding 10% of water as he said .
now :
Vegetative was ok ... not explosive
Flowering was a nightmare
I really think 50% vermiculite is too high and acid peat it’s a risky choice because it’s hard to manage the ph .
If u have to prepare a large qt of soil , then u must have the proper machine to mix it correctly .
I made flowers with no structure “empty” and it took about 90 days to make them ready ...

my personal experience was bad with this recipe .
I came back to my old soil with the right qt of vermiculite/perlite . Same old nuts . Things went fine and well .
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Interesting. Which strain(s) were you growing?
Were you able to use 20-10-20?
My grow was successful without too may curveballs thrown but I was growing Blue Mystic which is apparently a good hardy plant for a first time grower.
 
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Vizzaro

Vizzaro

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Pelicanwheel said:
How has your grow gone. I'm in the middle of the exact Bugbee recommendation and so far so good.
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It went well. I harvested 13oz of dry weight buds out of 4 plants in 3 gallon containers. Now I am in my 3rs run using the same media and nutrients. This 3rd run are clones from the previous 4 plants, only this time I have 6 small plants in 1 gallon containers. My only issue is that I didn't install a trellis net and the top buds are packing on weight and my plants are starting to tilt. Other than that I have some slight yellowing of all my plants (I'm not sure if that is due to me not doing any Defoliation this time around).
 
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Overgrowtho

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Vizzaro said:
It went well. I harvested 13oz of dry weight buds out of 4 plants in 3 gallon containers. Now I am in my 3rs run using the same media and nutrients. This 3rd run are clones from the previous 4 plants, only this time I have 6 small plants in 1 gallon containers. My only issue is that I didn't install a trellis net and the top buds are packing on weight and my plants are starting to tilt. Other than that I have some slight yellowing of all my plants (I'm not sure if that is due to me not doing any Defoliation this time around).
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Maybe try some yoyo hangers to hang buds up higher if too heavy.
Sounds good keep us posted with som pics. Nice to hear about the 400g harvest before. That under how many watts?
 
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billevans92

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i'm so happy i found this topic. i wanted to try the bugbee method myself but it seems it's not for begginers; i read lots of advanced growers having some kind of trouble... i also have problem finding pelletized gypsum that doesn't come in very large quantities...
 
BonnMac

BonnMac

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billevans92 said:
i'm so happy i found this topic. i wanted to try the bugbee method myself but it seems it's not for begginers; i read lots of advanced growers having some kind of trouble... i also have problem finding pelletized gypsum that doesn't come in very large quantities...
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First time grower here.
Very pleased with the results.
I didn't find pelletised gypsum either. Not saying it's negligible, but I added the powdered form.
It's the smallest amendment, probably won't make or break your grow but add what he recommends, quantity-wise, regardless.
Worked for me.
 
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billevans92

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BonnMac said:
First time grower here.
Very pleased with the results.
I didn't find pelletised gypsum either. Not saying it's negligible, but I added the powdered form.
It's the smallest amendment, probably won't make or break your grow but add what he recommends, quantity-wise, regardless.
Worked for me.
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omg! that's great, thanks for your input. you did the half peat half vermiculite soil and it wasn't too wet? it happens that i don't have great control of the humidity and temp of the room, so i fear that soil gets really wet. also: you fed the girls 20-10-20 during the whole grow and it was ok?*

*edit: after i asked you this i read previous messages where you adressed that yes, you followed the same npk proportions during the whole cycle
 
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