Drug test for welfare

Corso312

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Why do you keep saying"spending money on drugs" Are you even a grower/smoker?..everyone on this site pretty much grows their own to avoid spending money on weed...When you say drug, are you including caffeine ? nicotine? alcohol? antibiotics? Advil/asprin?
 

Total Head

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Do the houses that people who earn $20k/year cost as much as those that earn $40k/year? 60k/year? 100k/year? Do the cars cost the same? The cost for insurance on those less expensive cars? As you are someone that makes less than $40/k year, and I take is not starving, and has a roof over his head, and internet access, and spends money on drugs, and has extra time on their hands... well how do you explain yourself?
i live in a miserable neighborhood in a building that is owned by someone whom i have known my whole life. i get not 5 minutes of peace a day with all the fighting, boom boom radios, sirens, gunshots, and barking dogs. i can't sleep at night because of round the clock jerry action. i get cheaper rent by doing general landscaping/winter maintenance, and obviously by knowing the guy. i currently share a cable bill with the lady downstairs. it's in her name to her apartment but i ran a line up through the floor to my apartment for tv and use her wi-fi and we split the bill. up until a few months ago i had my own bill but that wasn't going so well any more. we also partially split a food bill and buy a lot of bulk things at sam's. i drive a 14 year old car with a coat hanger antenna that i'm afraid to even take an hour away to the beach (it has actually broken down in the parking lots of 2 different grow stores, but that's for another thread). i grow my own pot with equipment that i purchased years ago, and i went organic so i can grow a year's worth of pot for less than 200 bucks of soil and amendments. i mitigate the cost of the electricity by not having a/c, keeping lights off, and having cfls everywhere in the apartment, so my bill is similar to everyone else's. i wear mostly hanes white tees out of a pack and my newest pair of shoes is around 2 years old not counting flip flops. i have no woman because i don't go anywhere and probably couldn't afford one right now anyway, and no one in their right mind wants to park their car in this hellhole just to visit. i've had 2 perfectly good teeth pulled because i can't afford any root canals, and my teeth in the front are getting cracked from the shift of having the teeth pulled, but i can't afford a dentist and they are starting to hurt. no idea what to do about that. i also borrow from my mother quite frequently, though i always pay her back on time. it's july and i'm STILL behind on my heat bill leftover from winter, still haven't paid my excise tax on my car, and still have a leftover balance on that cable bill. my life consists of work, tv, internet, and sleep, and if it wasn't for concern for what would happen to my cat i wouldn't even care whether i was alive or not. my zest for life is nonexistant and you will probably see me on the news one day for something i shouldn't have done. i would probably benefit from some psychiatric care but i can't afford that any more.

TL;DR version: i live like a bum, i have no life, and i'm patiently waiting for death, which i will probably be alone for. there was a time when i had a better quality of life, but that's over now. i was a lot more optimistic about life 3 years ago.

about car insurance, me living in the city and driving a 14 year old car with basic coverage is still more expensive than living in the sticks with a brand new car with full coverage, assuming identical driving records. i COULD be like other people and claim that i garage my car in some podunk town and save around 500 bucks a year, but if i actually needed to make a claim i'd be screwed.
 

Corso312

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Use your moms address or someone else in a different zip, Grow more green and hustle some on the side and move to a better apartment...These things are very achievable.
 

Gastanker

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i live in a miserable neighborhood in a building that is owned by someone whom i have known my whole life. i get not 5 minutes of peace a day with all the fighting, boom boom radios, sirens, gunshots, and barking dogs. i can't sleep at night because of round the clock jerry action. i get cheaper rent by doing general landscaping/winter maintenance, and obviously by knowing the guy. i currently share a cable bill with the lady downstairs. it's in her name to her apartment but i ran a line up through the floor to my apartment for tv and use her wi-fi and we split the bill. up until a few months ago i had my own bill but that wasn't going so well any more. we also partially split a food bill and buy a lot of bulk things at sam's. i drive a 14 year old car with a coat hanger antenna that i'm afraid to even take an hour away to the beach (it has actually broken down in the parking lots of 2 different grow stores, but that's for another thread). i grow my own pot with equipment that i purchased years ago, and i went organic so i can grow a year's worth of pot for less than 200 bucks of soil and amendments. i mitigate the cost of the electricity by not having a/c, keeping lights off, and having cfls everywhere in the apartment, so my bill is similar to everyone else's. i wear mostly hanes white tees out of a pack and my newest pair of shoes is around 2 years old not counting flip flops. i have no woman because i don't go anywhere and probably couldn't afford one right now anyway, and no one in their right mind wants to park their car in this hellhole just to visit. i've had 2 perfectly good teeth pulled because i can't afford any root canals, and my teeth in the front are getting cracked from the shift of having the teeth pulled, but i can't afford a dentist and they are starting to hurt. no idea what to do about that. i also borrow from my mother quite frequently, though i always pay her back on time. it's july and i'm STILL behind on my heat bill leftover from winter, still haven't paid my excise tax on my car, and still have a leftover balance on that cable bill. my life consists of work, tv, internet, and sleep, and if it wasn't for concern for what would happen to my cat i wouldn't even care whether i was alive or not. my zest for life is nonexistant and you will probably see me on the news one day for something i shouldn't have done. i would probably benefit from some psychiatric care but i can't afford that any more.

TL;DR version: i live like a bum, i have no life, and i'm patiently waiting for death, which i will probably be alone for. there was a time when i had a better quality of life, but that's over now. i was a lot more optimistic about life 3 years ago.

about car insurance, me living in the city and driving a 14 year old car with basic coverage is still more expensive than living in the sticks with a brand new car with full coverage, assuming identical driving records. i COULD be like other people and claim that i garage my car in some podunk town and save around 500 bucks a year, but if i actually needed to make a claim i'd be screwed.
Let's get you on the right path. What are you doing to change these circumstances? Have you considered a room mate? Moving? Selling your car (you live in a highly metropolitan area right?)? In your spare time are you taking classes? Job training? Could you alter your diet by preparing food at home to save money? Have you looked into seeking help through a community center? We here on RIU will try and get you on the right path but there are many more legitimate organizations.
 

Gastanker

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Why do you keep saying"spending money on drugs" Are you even a grower/smoker?..everyone on this site pretty much grows their own to avoid spending money on weed...When you say drug, are you including caffeine ? nicotine? alcohol? antibiotics? Advil/asprin?
Yes those are all drugs. I would classify alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine all as luxury drugs. Yes I smoke and grow - I can afford to. When I cannot afford to smoke/grow I don't. I don't let you tax payers supplement my luxuries.
 

Total Head

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Let's get you on the right path. What are you doing to change these circumstances? Have you considered a room mate? Moving? Selling your car (you live in a highly metropolitan area right?)? In your spare time are you taking classes? Job training? Could you alter your diet by preparing food at home to save money? Have you looked into seeking help through a community center? We here on RIU will try and get you on the right path but there are many more legitimate organizations.
the whole reason for me living this way was originally supposed to be so i could save up money and make shit happen, but when i lost my quite decent job everything snowballed. my big plan is to get a better job. i had my shit together at one point and i'm sure i'll get it together again. the economy is doing a lot better in this state and i'm close to being in a position to make an upward move. i'm not always this miserable but i dug myself a hole that will require cold hard cash to fill and it's going to be a long process. after two years of this it just has a permanent feel to it sometimes. in a few months there will very likely be a part time opening for me at a machine shop i used to work at with a schedule that doesn't clash with my current job, so i should at least be able to start rebuilding a savings before the end of the year and i should be able to afford some dental insurance. that's my big plan until i find a job that pays.
 

ANC

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In response to the subject of this thread. I think that welfare should not support your vices, whatever they may be. I do see the reason why drug testing welfare recipients seems reasonable. However, it seems like we could do better than just "Oh, you tested positive? No money for you!". That's the problem you encounter with taxpayer-funded welfare though, there's always someone that isn't happy with how it is dispensed. Since it's hard to regulate without seeming discriminatory, it's also stayed fairly easy to game the system. That, in turn, creates more anger and distrust in the system's method of handing out money. Sorry, I tend to ramble a bit on occasion.
THe fact that you test positive for cannabis does not have to mean you spend any money on it... Its a fucking weed, throw some bagseed in the soil and you have more weeds....
 

kpmarine

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THe fact that you test positive for cannabis does not have to mean you spend any money on it... Its a fucking weed, throw some bagseed in the soil and you have more weeds....
Hence why I said this earier. :)


But this solution doesn't differentiate between someone who is getting free weed from a caring friend, and someone cashing in their toddler's support money for crack. That's why blanket solutions don't work well, and generally just cause further problems.
 

MojoRison

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It's not to say that we just give the money away so they can buy more drugs.....we know that some people need help and we aren't going to say no to you just because you're a drug user.
 

guy incognito

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I didn't read the whole thread, but have a few things to add so far.

I think it's crazy that some of you can look at a garbage truck and simply assume you know exactly how/where the money is being spent, and how they could instantly triple productivity. I promise you they have far more intelligent people than you that have already considered all the options like having a single man with a boom arm that loads cans/dumpsters vs the cost of multi manned units. The devil is in the details and there are a million factors you have neglected in your back of the envelope calculations. And garbage men do not have cushy jobs. They work their asses off. I know some garbage men. Many of them are in fact low lifes, and ex cons, but god damn do they have to work hard to get their paycheck. They earn every cent.
 

guy incognito

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2 part time jobs= 1 full time job
I can make as much as I do now by working 2 jobs for half the time each, but then I get no benefits from either. After paying for the same benefits out of pocket the equation tips back to full time, 2 part time jobs < 1 full time job
 

silasraven

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fuck that dude. im on SSI its hard enough to get a type of med that works well to be able to function threw the day. i have school,work, and have to be able to get around. drug test for SSI would make it harder for people like me
 
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