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I've earned my place in this society,no-one gave me one damned thing. The only benefit I did recieve, was birth right to the USA. When you talk about the harder working capitilists, I envision a greedy prick staying up late at night trying to figure out how to fuck someone. Start with education, Mostly by parental affluence or influence. Move on to Promotions, brother-in-laws, nephews, sons and daughters get first pick, so it still boils down to your parents, maybe a hard working smart guy makes it once in a while, but generally speaking, nepotism rules the top. So if your born dirt poor, there goes the education, hence any chance to rise to the top. There are exceptions to the rule, but they are few and far between. Don't even tell me that because your smarter than me is why your rich and i'm not. And by the way, I'm not a marxist or a communist, and in fact I believe hard work should be rewarded, Just not the way it is being done! I think I'll leave this thread, I feel the need for some four letter words! Adios!

"I envision a greedy prick staying up late at night trying to figure out how to fuck someone."

Yes, and the glass is always half empty too, correct?

When I think of a successful businessman, I think of a person who, while self directed, finds a way to better the lives of others. In the process of using one's mind to better the lives of others, we now have these computers that you and I use to communicate with each other. The signals bounce off of satilites and are instantly seen as words on our screens. The mind of man enables us to get fresh "out of season" fruits and vegetables grown in other countries to put on our tables. Man's mind, in a free capitalist society has the liberty to invent, create and provide us with better lives. What's that worth to you? How do you propose limiting wealth building without limiting this creativity as well? Its human nature that causes us to be self directed. How would you limit self interest without destroying ego?

Have you really thought your positions through, or are your positions based strictly upon emotion?

Vi

Emotion! The only way to judge a thing is how you feel inside about it. Rationalization is a tool of dishonest people. If you try hard enough you could rationalize Hitler, A few people do.

I have to agree with Vi' on this thread. It's no good moaning about a society that we are all an active part of. Unfortunately this world is not free, and for the betterment of society the masses needs to be controlled. I don't think Vi' is an out and out capitalist, I just think that he realises that this is how the world works and gets on with it.

Moaning about what you haven't got is no way to get more of what you want.

I'm not a socialist, I'm more of a dictator. I want everything for myself and fuck the next man. Maybe when i'm rich i'll be more inclined to help others, but right now, fuck 'em.

Thanks for the support, Skunk. And you are correct in your analysis. I do NOT think that capitalism is a 100% moral economic system ... just the most moral option that we have.

"Moaning about what you haven't got is no way to get more of what you want."

True words there, Skunk. MedicalUser's politics is the politcs of envy. So strong is that envy, that he desires what he hasn't earned at the expense of others. He accuses those who simply want to hang on to what they have honestly earned as being "greedy pigs." Nothing could be further from the truth. He and his ilk are the greedy ones. They are best described as that of the greedy farmer ... he dosent want all the land, just the land that's next to his. And he wants it for free.

Vi

medicinaluseonly said:

Emotion! The only way to judge a thing is how you feel inside about it. Rationalization is a tool of dishonest people. If you try hard enough you could rationalize Hitler, A few people do.

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And there you have it ... the crux of the failure of the political party of liberalism, socialism, class envy and hate. The entire premise of the Democrats/Liberals/Socialists is based upon "feelings" and not upon facts. How one "feels inside" has nothing to do with facts and everything to do with emotion. Their "feelings" and the laws and regulations they've passed in the name of "feelgoodism" have tightened the noose of government intervention into our lives so tightly that its become hard to breathe the air of freedom anymore. In their eagerness to foist their religion of Good Intentions upon us, they have never taken into account the unintended consequences of their disasterous actions and their backward programs and laws. If they are not stopped, they will lead us back into the Dark Ages. Take a look at what they say and you will realize that they usually lead narrow, darkend little lives. They are only comfortable when they live inside a box confined by rules and are supported by the sweat off of the brows of others. They look at wealth as a static pie, and if one person makes more than another, the person making more is somehow getting more than "his fair share." The facts are ... wealth creation is an ever expanding pie. There is enough for everyone who wants to maintain a positive mental attitude, work hard, get an education, wait until marraige to start a family, stay on the right side of the law and be a productive person in our society. The main problem with the party of envy and hate is, they want the rest of us to live in that little confined box of rules of theirs as well. No thanks ... I'll take liberty instead.

Now, please tell us again, MedUser, how working for the the good of the "hive" instead of promoting individualism, freedom and liberty is in society's best interest.

Vi

sorry, double post.

Hey Vi' have you played Alpha Centauri too? Just your reference to the hive there.

I agree with everything apart from the marriage before children bit. It really doesn't belong in the paragraph. Gaining wealth has absoloutely nothing to do with having children before marriage, nothing at all.

fornicate, fornicate, fornicate! I guess Greed wins, as in fornicate you, I've got mine. There is no logic to the posits of greed, If you're a greedy penus, then fornicate off! I guess your either a people person or a money person, from what I've seen on this forum, there's a lot more money persons!

Ah! I now see your point too. I believe in the family unit, I would be a shadow without it. I just don't believe in the religious bit.

I see your posting at 2:30 AM. our time, what time was it there. It seems that if I want to converse with you I must do so in the middle of the night. Do you work or are you a stay at home Dad? Its 11:00 am here so it must be 3:00 Am there right? I think you are on the center of greenwich time and I am 8 hrs behind. So at 8:00 PM here, it's noon there or something like that!

The school system my teens go to just announced random day dog searches of lockers and backpacks. I started a conversation about there liberties and their response was "DAD, whats the diff, we don't do drugs, it might get the drugs out of school".

We went on a recent 8 hour drive and me and teens had a radio off discussion about the Bill of Rights, kinda trying to explain to them that goverment is not always right

You might not want to share you garden secrets with your children. Remember Hitler, he rewarded the children whom ratted on their parents, I don't think we're far from that now!

damn, just wrote quite a lengthy reply only for the posting to mess up. Anyway, educate your children.

My teens don't openly know I grow, nor am I dumb enough to think they don't know Dad indulges. I teach them to get ahead in life and win at lifes game, they are fortunate enough to have a few millionaires of aunts and uncles so they see the comforts of their cousins that money provides.
I know all the kids that drink and get high as their friends, and I will NEVER break their trust in me. They say Partying is not for them now, they want college and grades. I started at 13, smoked everyday for 34 years minus clean outs which I'm on right now. oz a week for last 7 months and I'm changing jobs. So yes, I need to show them what liberty really is, and illegal search and seizure in my eyes is one of them

Man an oz. a week, thats what, 150-300 bucks an oz., thats a house payment, you could have bought a second house, at least a new car. The only other scenario is that your either rich or you were dealing. There are people in the U.S. that don't even make that much. (a pretty disgusting fact being that we're supposed to be the richest nation on the planet) I guess I smoked that much back in the day @ 10-15 bucks an ounce, smoked for 30 years daily. I then got a job that drug tested so had to give it up, haven't smoked in 10 years. Since I'm retired, I'm growing a small stash to try for my arthritic pain, I've heard it works great. The high will be a bonus!

I smoke about an oz a week too, well when I can these days. With the drought it's ever harder to pick up. I agree, children should be given the respect they deserve, they don't deserve bullshit. If you give them this respect they will give it back and should never feel the need to have to lie to you. education is the single most important factor in bringing up a child, your love should come naturally, but education is the key as it gives them some serious survival tools. i've got my kids in a vale tudo gym once each of them reaches the age of four. As this is another important tool for survival in the world.

Anyone tries to drug test my kids and i'll see that as an invasion of my civil rights and I'll make sure that my kids see that too. Imagine the next step, dropping your kid off at school and a security guard with a dog is at the gate. The dog starts going crazy at the car and he (security guy) radios through to the police where you are pulled over and drug tested. Then charged with posession of drugs that are in your system. Drugs are the only true way to expand your mind further than the programming of our youth, of the programming that will continue throughout life unless you learn to ignore it.

MedUser, I smoke to stop migraines, learned it worked at 13yrs old, i stopped drinking over 2 yrs ago, as far as income. I do very well, House, three cars are all paid for, do not own a credit card.
We teach our teens trust , honor and self disipline, without it you are worthless. Wifey n I always back each other , always, my kids were martial artists at age 6, I hold 3 diff BB.

Have a great day!!!!!

Whizzzinator works great!!!! keep it in the car with freeze dried urine

Thats why I grow!!!!!!! self sufficient.
We have a pukeberry clone that finishes in 42 days , solid 8 all the way around

Well then we finally agree. Keep the govt. out of our private affairs, Im sure Viredd will agree to that, so now were all buds!