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SlowToker

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Obama needs our money so I say TAX it, I will pay tax on pot and never once complain, I promise!

Math doesn't lie, multiply any number by the number of pot smokers and you got all the money you ever needed to do anything.

Peace

Morning peeps- Late start today, town kinda shut down here. We were SUPPOSED to get 3-5 inch of snow, gotta love this town. Sorry but being from up north 3-5 inch is enough to just piss me off, can barely make a snowman or sled in 3-5. But woke this morning to schools closed. Looked outside NOTHING. Funny little town.

So on another note-potorlando- I have had that hey smell during flowering on my last grow-thought I flowered too long causing decomp in the bud, I think thats when I started posting on RIU. I never did get a straight answer to it. From what dl says its normal with hydro? Or common?

So what flavor are you thinking net? Does that stem from the berrys in water I told you about? Not sure if 30min-1hour would be long enough to absorb into bud. I might try it to see myself. Was there a thread here (RIU) you read that on?

Slow- Let's hope he feels the same way and decriminalizes. I know economy comes first, but for all of us here, the sooner the better! He does admit to smoking- and the interviewer asked if he inhaled- he said of course, other wise it wouldnt work.HAHAHA
 

SlowToker

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Well, my first Hydro plant is still small so I have no experican in Hydro to compare dirt farming to. I do know Hydro weed when i smell it because it doesn't have "the smell" hard to explain but it doesn't have that the deep smell that dirt plants do. Try this, roll a big joint of dirt pot and hydro pot, without lighting them suck air threw both of them. Notice the wet taste Hydro has? You can do this with Hydro lettuce as well.

Peace

I always thought the "hay" Type smell was wierd myself and started threads on it...Rot and musky,damn,wet and other odors would be signs of bad things..But the info i got from many was the slight "hay" smell is common.. I dunno im still learning my self.. The smell of the strain is more dominant like my poison plants smell Exactly like bananas when chopped and drying, Even taste like candy smoking and have a fruity smell cured..The slight hay smell is always present.. Im building this box slow ive seen als.. That man is awesome and should recieve the nobel prize of growing..my entire grow is dedicated to his ideas..Panhead made a cool bow i think im going to copy his..he copied it from al either way.
Always learning.Matter of fact im going to go re-read als stuff on curing again.
 

onthedl0008

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yes slow I see exactly what u mean now..I dont smoke joints from hydro anymore lol.. Mainly cuz U cant barely get but 3 or 4 pulls off it then its saturated with resin and the end seals shut...Same with good dirt grown bud as well..But ur correct and maybe the bud drier will help with this wet after taste ... Cant tell the difference In taste much tho.. I grow in organic nutes and this may have alot to do with that..
Great input sir.
 

SlowToker

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Thanks, I'm glad to find others that agree. I love my bong but it's a little hard to carry around & my Proto Pipe clogs to easy went smoking good weed. Joints are just a pain, so the Vaporizor is my only answer so far. True that puppy isn't portable but if you want to get high and get there fast & stay awhile that dog can hunt, as my dad would say.

Hydro is a great interrets to me but I'm not willing to give up flazor or taste for time. I got nothing but time. What I really need a a set of plants one week apart in every stage. But I don't have the room. So Hydro may help a little. I can always sell it and buy dirt grown weed.

Peace

yes slow I see exactly what u mean now..I dont smoke joints from hydro anymore lol.. Mainly cuz U cant barely get but 3 or 4 pulls off it then its saturated with resin and the end seals shut...Same with good dirt grown bud as well..But ur correct and maybe the bud drier will help with this wet after taste ... Cant tell the difference In taste much tho.. I grow in organic nutes and this may have alot to do with that..
Great input sir.
 

netpirate

New Member
It was actually a thread started by Skunky from SS and Rolli. I guess it was when things were cool with them. They had great things to say.


Morning peeps- Late start today, town kinda shut down here. We were SUPPOSED to get 3-5 inch of snow, gotta love this town. Sorry but being from up north 3-5 inch is enough to just piss me off, can barely make a snowman or sled in 3-5. But woke this morning to schools closed. Looked outside NOTHING. Funny little town.

So on another note-potorlando- I have had that hey smell during flowering on my last grow-thought I flowered too long causing decomp in the bud, I think thats when I started posting on RIU. I never did get a straight answer to it. From what dl says its normal with hydro? Or common?

So what flavor are you thinking net? Does that stem from the berrys in water I told you about? Not sure if 30min-1hour would be long enough to absorb into bud. I might try it to see myself. Was there a thread here (RIU) you read that on?

Slow- Let's hope he feels the same way and decriminalizes. I know economy comes first, but for all of us here, the sooner the better! He does admit to smoking- and the interviewer asked if he inhaled- he said of course, other wise it wouldnt work.HAHAHA

I shall try and find al's thread on this.

Net, I'd be reading "Al B. Funct" post on curing. I could type it all out for you but this guy has it here already. Wish Al was still here as is post have been highly educational and very accurate. He also built a great dryer that you should check out as well if you want great buds faster.

Peace
 

SlowToker

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All,

How do you dry your weed? The paper bag route or a dryer. Hang it in the closet, or just string it in a box?
Or do you have something different?
 

netpirate

New Member
Get this!! I'm watching The inauguration on woai and a reproter said that the prez and ppl are having dinner in the capitol and that there is a bunch of steam/smoke on top of the building!!!!!! ahahahahaha LOL!

He said, its just a small bakery or factory near by, not to worry about the smoke.

They are getting high!!! hahahahahahaha NOw thats funny
 

SAmisery

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Get this!! I'm watching The inauguration on woai and a reproter said that the prez and ppl are having dinner in the capitol and that there is a bunch of steam/smoke on top of the building!!!!!! ahahahahaha LOL!

He said, its just a small bakery or factory near by, not to worry about the smoke.

They are getting high!!! hahahahahahaha NOw thats funny
i wouldnt doubt it, first black president and not the first to hot box the white house
 

techgrower

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HA Ha-hot box the white house-HA Ha- I HATE when peeps do that. Cool net have to check that, just thought it was weird I just mentioned the blueberry/strawberry in water thing a few pages back. Slow, I made a cardboard box with fishing string to hang buds in had small fan seems like a month before twigs just snapped -it was pretty good bud for my 1st grow
 

netpirate

New Member
I have a question... Do you have to cure? I know that curing brings the sugars out and make it taste better, but what if you are using mainly organic nutes and carbo load which is sugar for the plant. Is there still a need for curing?
 

netpirate

New Member
This is an excerpt from the net.(no not me)



Introduction - What is the water cure? Why would I want to do it?
The water cure has only recently come to light as a widely accepted form of curing. Water curing uses osmosis to flush out the chemicals, chlorophyl, pesticides, pests, and anything else you would rather not be smoking. The water cure is also very fast (about 7 days) with optimal quality (as compared to 30 days air curing), and as well does not stink like an air cure does. Water-cured buds are also more potent than air-cured (however there is proportional weight loss to potency increase).

THC is not water soluable, and the bud is protected from air/light, enabling potency to be maintained at it's highest levels, while the nasty chemicals are flushed out. Some growers report being able to add nutes all the way up to their harvest date because the water cure takes care of the built up chemicals.

Because of its speed, stealth and clean taste, water cure is very inviting to most non-commercial growers. The commercial grower might not be attracted to the water cure, as the weight of the bud is diminished.
Water cure can also be attractive to those smoking/cooking with suspect cannabis (schwag), moldy bud, pest infested bud, unflushed bud, etc.
How will my bud taste/smoke/smell/look?

Properly water-cured buds (submerged for 7 days and properly dried) will have a clean, thick taste when smoked, as well as being more potent than air-cured buds. This is one of the major advantages to the water cure; a quick drying process that retains potency and has a clean taste and flavor.
Smoking reports vary, however most people agree that water curing provides a very clean, smooth taste. Those with hashier, sandlewood/piney and harsher strains will find this method enjoyable for the clean, thick flavor without the edge (like a fine whisky).

However, those with frutier tasting strains have mixed results. They report the smoke is almost too smooth - much of the fruity/citrussy flavor removed.
The smell of the bud is greatly diminished, which many believe is one of the positive side-effects of water curing. Some also report a diminished smell in the smoke itself.

Water-cured buds tend to look more earthy and dark in tone. Some say the bag appeal is decreased, however proper care while water-curing can improve bag appeal.

What do I need for this? What is the process?
1. A container hold your bud and appropriate water (about 4 times as much water as amount of bud). A cooler with some kind of drainage works great.
2. A dehydrator or low-impact heat device. Dehydrators work great and cost about $40 from walmart. Radiators work well (as long as it isn't too hot), and some report using hair dryers.
3. A cool, dark place to put the water-curing container.
You need at least 7 days to do this, any less than seven can result in undesireable quality. Even 5 days in water is not enough - you need seven!!!
Plop in your freshy cut buds (or schwag, whatever, but fresh buds work best) into enough water to completely submerge the buds. The buds will float to the top for the first few days of this, so you need something to hold them down (a block of wood, a plate, etc). Change the water every day for 7 days, any less than seven could result in undesirable results (trust me). Try not to disturb the buds when changing the water as plant material can break off more easily (read: trichomes). Always keep the lid of the cooler open, do not seal off the container.

The water may take on a yellowish/greenish (even brownish) tint each day, more so as the bud becomes completely saturated with the water. It will probably also stink. This is good, as it is the nasty chlorophyl and salts are exiting your plant.

After 7 days remove the buds from the water. They will be sopping wet, and can be dried relatively quickly. You can purchase a food dehydrator from wal-mart for about $40 and consensus tells us this may be the best method for drying. Put the dehydrator on the lowest setting and dry for about 5 hours or so.

Radiators and other low-impact heating devices can also be used. Users have reported hair dryers working with some success, as well as hanging the wet buds on a clothes line with a fan circulating air. The important thing to do is to ensure the buds dry quickly enough to not become moldy, but with as low-impact of a drying environment as possible.

What I plant to do, as I wont be doing a massive drying here, is place them on a paper plate, and place it on my monitor, for some gentle heat to dry them out.


7 DO'S and DON'TS of water curing
1. Do not close the lid on the cooler. As the chlorophyll bleeds off into the water it evaporates - this is good and sealing the cooler just puts the crap back in the water.
2. Keep out of direct sunlight. I just put the cooler in the garage and that's the end of that.
3. Don't stir or agitate. This serves no useful purpose.
4. Don't bother straining the water for trichomes when you change it each day. I've tried it countless times and have yet to get enough trichones to make it worth the effort, though some hairs will break loose.
5. I've water cured as long as 9 days, but there was no real improvement over the 7 day mark - so why bother?
6. Do use a dehydrator. They cost $35 over at Walmart and you set it on the lowest possible setting. Mine takes about 5 hours to dry out a 1/2 pound of sopping wet buds. If you line dry make sure there is a drip tray or tarp for them to drip on.
7. DO NOT water cure seeded buds that were intentionally seeded so you can harvest seeds. Air cure these buds only...
What is the dry-weight ratio comparison with air curing?
Dry weight using air cure usually returns about 25% of the freshly cut bud weight. That means if you had 10 grams of freshly cut plant, you would get about 2.5 grams dry.

Water cure, on the other hand, returns about 15% from wet to dry. In our 10 gram example, that would be about 1.5 grams.
So why is there less weight using water, but more potency?
THC is not water soluble. When the buds are underwater, they are protected from environmental conditions such as humidity, over exposure to air, temperature, and light. This consistent state is something not easily achieved through the traditional air cure, which can be prone to a harsher smoke with decreased potency if everything isn't just so.
Water cure enables the removal of undesirable elements from your bud while retaining potency.

How potency is increased through the water cure
I should explain this so that the conspiracy theory kooks don't land on me like a ton of bricks.
Here's the "magic" behind the increased potency you get by water curing.
For the sake of making it simple, I'll use an example of 100 grams of bud going into the pot.
Now, you had this bud assayed and know that 15% of it is pure THC.
15% of 100 grams is 15 grams. So in our example the 100 grams of fresh bud has 15 grams of THC in it.
You water cure it and dry it. Now you have only 70 grams of bud left. WTF?
But you are deceived because the 15 grams of THC is part of the remaining 70 grams of bud. 15 divided by 70 equals 21.42%.
Sooo....
The mass didn't change, just some of the things that were there - aren't there anymore, so what is left becomes a bigger proportion of the entirety.
You go assay your water cured bud and find out it has 21.42% THC content - a 50% increase in potency.
Not bad, eh?

How osmosis leaches nasties, saves trichs
In air, chlorophyll breaks down at a rate that is only slightly faster than the breakdown rate of the resin - hence the reason the pot is dried for a short time then placed in jars and burped - but always out of direct sunlight because sunlight plus air equals an ideal situation for the THC is to break down and thus a loss of potency may ensue.
In water, the chlorophyll breaks down (out of the plant) while the THC remains suspended in the resin and is relatively unaffected by the surrounding water medium.
 

techgrower

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Net, you still have to dry the bud before you can smoke it. I had bud from mine that was 1 wk cured, it barely burned and had no taste hardly. But after a month in the box and dry it tasted and burnt good. So one way or another you have to dry/cure the buds.
 

netpirate

New Member
Well as I have never cured anything short of road rash, I really have no idea on curing and drying. I thought this was interesting enough though. It seems that the water curing only takes 7 days in water and 5hrs out of the water. THen it's all bong from there where as the air curing takes anywhere from 2wks to 1mth.

This is all new to me and am still playing with ideas. I di think I am gonna try the berries in the water thing.

It only takes nutes around 1hr to get to the tips of the top of the plant thus only adding the crushed berries 30min to 1hr before chopping.
 

techgrower

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I didnt mean to come off shitty, if I did, SORRY! If I had a bigger grow I would water cure but for 1-3 plants, I'll just hang it, for a bag or 2, knowing I have good shit in a few weeks. Also, I would have just thought a little longer for the bud to soak it up, being thats the part you smoke, interesting to know thanks! Maybe I will try it on my tomato grow and have straw-toes? Or tom-berry. Still no comparison to DL-pinkperp-daddys.
 
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