DWC Lowryder - Attitude Seed Bank

greenearth5 said:

I already have 7 seeds germinating and several sprouted so im going to go ahead and do the 7 plants in some ocean forest 1/2 gallon bags.... that should keep them smaller then a foot

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I don't think the 1/2 gallon will in itself keep them at a foot. But if you use the CFL's that will help keep them shorter.

I went and got a 400MH bulb and 10gallons ocean forest dirt... Im ready for round 3 .. ill post more some other time... right now im preparing to study for a test in my art appreciation course

greenearth5 said:

I went and got a 400MH bulb and 10gallons ocean forest dirt... Im ready for round 3 .. ill post more some other time... right now im preparing to study for a test in my art appreciation course

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That would mean your getting high? Sounds like a good way to get ready. So let's hear about the new setup. Very good idea on the MH bulb. It should help keep the stretching down I think. I got a MH for my 600 so I could veg them for a couple weeks since I had just transplanted them into the 1 gallon pots. It seemed to work good, nice growth with less stretching. I keep the MH in on the start of 12/12 until I saw flowers starting and changed it to the hps. I'll see how it works. I let them go a little to long though and they will be bigger than I wanted them to be. But it should be ok with the second light in there.

diggitydank420 said:

Hashlover, great filter you made there... perhaps you should post a DIY tutorial in the DIY section?

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Thanks Diggity, I have thought about it. Busy this time of the year though and Would hate to start something and not have time to get back to people's questions. Between work and the grow it keeps me pretty busy.

Hey green, I'm going to suggest not using those bags and use pots instead. I don't think they would be good for the root system. I think the dirt would get to compacted and wouldn't be as airy as it would be in pots. With dirt you want it to drain well and I think the bags would hurt this since they are soft and would not protect the dirt from getting pushed together and not be able to drain as well. A soil that drains well will get more oxygen to the roots and you know what that does. I could be wrong and by all means use them if you want to but they just don't seem like a good idea unless maybe you were doing a large grow or something. Personally I don't think I would use them even then. The pots I think would also help to hold the plants up better when your plant is full of big fat buds. When I put the soil in a pot I don't pack it down at all. Maybe tap it on the bench a little to help it settle. I just fill it to where the bottom of the root ball is and then put more soil around it with very little packing. Just a though and as always IMO. Good luck on the test.

The 1/2 gallon grow bags have holes all over them therefore should help oxygenate the roots and allow PLENTY of draining (im assuming). I scooped the soil up in a cup and gently dumped it into the bag without pressing it down any. Next I stuck my finger in the soil like I do my ol lady at night and then droped my seed inside LOL ... the seeds germinated for a few days and 6 out of 7 poped out of the shell yesterday... So i droped the seedling into the whole (not worrying which way it landed) and gently covered up with dirt. Then I poured some water on top the soil of all 6 bags. I dont know how much water or what type of water to use. That's why I didn't drench the soil but just got it nice and wet.

It was tricky putting that big ass MH bulb in there. I had to use my hands without any gloves on then i took a sock and whiped it clean of finger grease. Turned on the light, and it has the coolest blue color emiting from the bulb.

I have the light on now but nothing has poked thru yet. SHould i leave the light on now.. or turn it on when the seedlings poke thru the dirt... also how far away should the light be from the top of the bags.. currently its about 6 in...

So far im liking the dirt idea hash.. theres no damn bubbling noise or airpump noise.. and it seems like it would be easier to tear down incase a landlord knocking on my door emergency happens again lol

Ill take pictures later tonight

How do i know if i need to water them? I put maybe 1 cup water in there today after i planted the germed seeds... the tops of the soil is drying up some ... hoping not to kill the plants before they poke thru the soil by letting it get to dry

Looks good man, How far the light is depends on how hot it is. I would keep it about 18-24 at least, just enough to keep the top of the soil a little warm but not dry it out to much. Gotta leave for work but will get back after I get home. Keep a spray bottle maybe to keep the surface damp.

i raised the light up so its a foot and half away... they are all still wet in the middle and dry around the most outter part... lookin good.... i have a 6 to 4 duct reducer im going to rig up so i can put a small computer fan on it... gotta find the fan.. already have the 6 to 4 reducer

so i need a fan, wire nuts & electrical tape, and some sort of ac adapter.. im confused on the adapter as the power source... what should i look for in the fan and the adapter

I would try to get at least a 100cfm fan. and get the 120mm ones. Can you get one on Ebay or internet. Unless you have a computer store near you? Or maybe Radio Shack? The higher the cfm the louder it will be. I've seen them as high as 200cfm. Look for the dba rating the higher it is the louder it will be. But they are pretty quite as a general rule. The seller I got them from does not have any on there right now. They were a steal at $7.99 w/free shipping and 130cfm. For the adapter just make sure it is rated higher than the fan. The ones I have are 1amp . I have a couple extra, maybe I should ship you one with the clones huh? Did the first pinch on the Lemon Have 2 day's ago. They are doing well, and nice flowers starting on the ones in flower. Any question on the fans let me know. You don't need wire nuts with the 12v fans, just twist them tight and tape them good. The wires are so small you just don't need them. And to strip the insulation back just heat the end with a lighter and pull it off. That way you will not cut any strands by accident.

greenearth5 said:

How do i know if i need to water them? I put maybe 1 cup water in there today after i planted the germed seeds... the tops of the soil is drying up some ... hoping not to kill the plants before they poke through the soil by letting it get to dry

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Just do like your doing until they come through the soil. You can cover them with something to keep the soil damp on the top, like some plastic food wrap. Keep it off the soil though, maybe with a toothpick or something like that. Once they come through the soil give them a full cup and try to wet a couple inches around the plant. After a few days give the whole bag a good soak. about 16-20 oz each or at least until you have some water coming out the holes on the bottom. The Foxfarms drains really well. I like to measure the water I give them, I just use a plastic quart measuring cup. that way you can give them the same amount and helps cut down on guess work. Should be at least a few days or more between watering at first, a lot would depend on how warm it is. You won't need any nutes for at least a few weeks but can give them some supplements if you want. But you really don't need anything. The best way to tell if they need water is to get used to the weight of the bag just after you water it and when it feels very light it is time for more. Also stick your finger in the soil a couple inches and see if it is damp or wet. (you know the drill on that one right?). If it is dry water it. You want it to dry out a little between watering's. It helps the roots grow out in search of water. If you keep it to wet could cause root rot and helps cut down some on the Fungus gnats.

greenearth5 said:

i raised the light up so its a foot and half away... they are all still wet in the middle and dry around the most outter part... lookin good.... i have a 6 to 4 duct reducer im going to rig up so i can put a small computer fan on it... gotta find the fan.. already have the 6 to 4 reducer

so i need a fan, wire nuts & electrical tape, and some sort of ac adapter.. im confused on the adapter as the power source... what should i look for in the fan and the adapter

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Also on the adapter a lot of ones around for games and stuff might be big enough. You use the red and black wire on the fan. Red being positive. I think the striped wire on most adapters is the positive. The wiring will only work one way, so if you hook it up and it doesn't work just switch the wires. It won't hurt anything if you hook it up backwards. Just make sure you protect the wires just like it was household current. It might not shock you but can start a fire if it shorts. An inline fuse is always a good idea but I haven't put one on mine yet.

Something like this should be a good fan. It doesn't say what the cfm is and I goggled it and still could not find a cfm rating. But with 3400 rpm it should be pretty good. It is also 0.80amp and my 130cfm's are 1 amp. http://cgi.ebay.com/Delta-Electronics-120mm-AFB1212SH-F00-3-Pin-Case-Fan_W0QQitemZ330360946782QQcmdZViewItem

All 6 plants are growing nice and very very short. They are starting to grow a second node and are only an inch tall.. just the way i was hoping.. ill take pictures when i get new batteries... any ideas on how close i can put my light? Currently i have it only inches away and they seem to do fine... also i have a fan blowing thru the light so the plants dont get to hot

That's the main thing is the heat. Keep the light as close as possible without getting it to hot on the tops. I use one of those indoor/outdoor thermometers that have the sensor on a wire you put outside. I put it on the top of the tallest plant and the inside unit at the base of the pot. That way I know for sure what the temp is and no guess work involved. My babies are doing good also. The lemon skunk had there first pinch maybe almost a week ago and have the 4 branches growing well, soon they will be ready to pinch those. That might be the last one before flower but depends on how fast they grow before then. I did pinch the auto-flower by mistake but oh well. I don't have good light for it anyway. Not sure if it would be better to put under the HPS on 12/12 or leave it with the CFL's on 18/6. I got my ballast on Thursday and also had Thursday and Friday off from my day job so that was great. Especially since the ballast and bulb were shipped UPS and was signature required and know one would be home to sign for it. It would have taken a couple more day at least to get it and I would not have been happy. I made my shelf wider and moved the light over 4" more to make my space 8" wider. It seemed to make a good difference and gave them more room between plants. They've more than doubled in size since I put them on 12/12 The plant I am measuring was 10" on 9/6 when I changed the light and is now almost 24". They are definitely my best looking plants yet at this stage, biggest leaves I've seen yet.. I was going to post some pics later If I have time. I have a bunch of re-potting to do today, doing the Lemon Haze and clones from my other ones are ready for dirt.

sounds good hash.. i still dont have any batteries for my camera but lets say they are looking good... there is a DEEP DARK PURPLE on 2 of my tiny lowriders and dark/bright green on the rest... i do see a little white stuff growin in my soil (it looks like mold???)

I dont water very much.. only watered 2 times since the initial watering when i planted.. i water till it comes out the bottom.. then i wait days before i do that again... could this white fuzz be something else.. its very minimal and tiny

What should I do to control the ph and ppm? Im using rain water and havent added any nutes yet... using the foxfarm oceanic forest soil.... Should i control the PH of the water before i put it in the soil... or not even fuck with it at all? I need some info on watering..

Got any new pic hash?

Thanks guys

yo green that mold thing your talking about ive seen it before on my pots they got that way when i put them into another room with a cfl as a light i was going to kill the plant anyway but while it was in the separate room the soil did not dry up it was moist and thats when that moldy looking stuff showed up thats what i think your talking about you should show some pics when you get a chance as for the ph and ppm i didnt really monitor it at least the ppm i did monitor the ph which i had around ph 6 i would check the ph before using nutes and then after to make sure your not going to give them water with a screwed up ph and always water till water comes out the bottom and how kb said for watering use that method it works good i used it and now problems with over watering or under watering also you might want to wait using nutes until they show sex ocean forest is very good and pack with good amounts of nutes already mixed in if you use nutes to early you could burn them or lock out the nutes hope this helps

No batteries?? You should get some rechargeable ones when you can. Ya, I have some pistils coming out on my auto flower with small flowers starting. I've got it close to one of my biggest CFL's, a 65w soft white. Are you sure the white stuff is not the vermiculite in the soil? It has a good amount in it and does not really show up much until you start to water it and it washes the dirt off it. I would guess that is what it is. I would not expect to water them to much when they are that small. What's the ph and ppm of your rain water and how are you collecting it? The soil has stuff to help keep the ph in check and I would not probably bother checking it although I would want to know before I gave it to them the first time. I only really check when I put nutes in the mix, and just leave it if I am just putting basic stuff in like Cal/Mag (which I use because of the distilled water) and other supplements. I've read that nutes are made to use with tap water or some other that has the basic stuff that most all water that has not been filtered. A good thing to do is to check the soil run off water once in a while though. Let me know And I could post a good link for you on that if you want to . 3-4 weeks for nutes probably. It more depends on what you give them, organic or chemicals. If you start to see yellow leaves on the bottom then it is time for nutes. I've had good luck that way with a strain I don't know. With organic you need to give it to them before they need it since it it slow to react where chemicals will go right in. But just start slow, maybe 1/4 strength. I'll get pics soon, wanted to show you the flower room with the 2 lights going. Just been busy with the day job and have to water tonight.

Here's some pics. Not so good with the lights on, I'll try to get some over the weekend before the lights come on. There looking good though, can't wait to see the harvest. Huge purple buds!!! Well except the Orange Skunk, Looking forward to tryng that one. I'll put the Lemon Haze up next. And the autoflower

These are the others. Obviously the one with the pistils is the Roadrunner auto.