DWC Scrog Grow Extrema & El Monstre!

melazapura

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Nice to hear you got it :bigjoint:
I sit mine on top of a piece of filter material and it reduces the noise by a lot so....I'm guessing the pillow will work grate for that purpose:-P
 

BluBerry

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Update: 24 hours later the roots seem to have gotten alot better looking. I have noticed rapid growth from all 3 of their roots. The roots in the picture are from the Extrema. I still haven't got my new airstone but it should be in any day now. I'm anxious to see how that helps out. Extrema is now 7 inches tall and the two El Mons are 6. I cut a couple shade leaves off today as well as you can see in the pics. This is to open the inside up so the inner growth can have some light. Its raining outside so when I came in my humidity was 68. Cool Deal! But has since dropped some but is still higher than usual. I checked my roots and had a couple spots of brown slime on them. Went and got a little bleach and mixed it with water and added it to the rez and now its gone. I don't put alot of bleach in there. Just enough to do the job prob an 1/8-1/4 of a cup mixed with water so I don't pour straight bleach in the rez. That might seem like alot but I have a big rez.

PPM 800
pH: 5.8
Res Temp: 66-68
Cab Temp: 76-78 RH:50


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BluBerry

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Thanks! Glad to have you along +Rep
Airstone came in today, but it has a 3/8 nipple on it and my air line and splitter is like 1/4. So I am gonna get an adapter from 1/4 to 3/8 and get 3/8 air line instead of the 1/4. I figure the bigger air line will help out more than the smaller. So I will wait til tomo to get what I need. I hate waiting but I also hate going back into town for a third time today. Lol!
I lowered my light to 20 inches above them. The way my fan is set up I have about 1/4 of the fan blowing thru the light hole which is blowing the heat thru the light and the bottom 3/4 of the fan is blowing on the plants so I'm killing two birds with one stone (for now). Once I set up my filter and fan I will have to relocate but for now it has been keeping the cab around Temp 76-78 RH 40-45 with the door completely closed. I usually have to crack it about 4 inches to keep it those temps. Once I get the stone set up I am gonna change and clean the rez real good and raise to 950-1100 PPM then stick the screen in there and sit it about 6-7 inches above them. Should be plenty of height for the screen for what I'm trying to accomplish.
 

BluBerry

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Day 34:
Well I got the stuff to hook my airstone up. I tried it thru the splitter then straight from the pump and it vibrated so much that I am not gonna be able to use it. I didn't even have it on the rez floor, just the vibrations it was putting off was enough to vibrate my cab walls. Yes I could have done some modifications and got it quieter, but for the amount of bubble difference between that stone and the ones I am running now in conjunction is not worth the trouble of padding the cab. They are about the same. So I am gonna sell it or return it and maybe get some smaller ones. Or use that money for an inline fan. Hmm! Good idea.. Here are some pics!
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BluBerry

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I was planning to do an extended veg simply to increase my yield, but as I think I picked the wrong season to start growing. Next one will be a winter grow when there is not as much outdoor activity around my home. So I am gonna make it a 45 day veg instead of a 60 day. Ready to find out what I am having. Hopefully I will have triplet girls. I don't mind having 1 male but I sure hope it's not the Extrema. All 3 females would be great though. Hoping to see some good growth thru this next week and get more bud sites forming.

PPM: 1000
pH: 5.8
RH: 45%
Res Temp: 65-68
Cab Temp: 75-79
 

Niko Bellick

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Sub'd. question, not trying to hijack or anything. I bought sort of a low quality air stone ( thought it was better) do you notice a big difference when the res is aerated more?
 

BluBerry

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So I decided to go ahead and put my screen in there and see how they fill out over the next week and a half. I set the screen at 6 inches so that will still give me working room underneath. Most scrogs I see are 8-12 inches but they cut off the lower growth, I'm hoping I don't have alot of unused growth to cut off so I'll try it at 6. Sure gonna hate to fill it out and then have a male, but oh well. It is what it is.. Female Triplets!!

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BluBerry

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Actually I'm using the cheap blue ones. I have 2 6 inch round stones and 1 10 & 1 14 inch blue stone. I have them weighted to the bottom of the rez. I bought that big airstone but it hummed really bad and was vibrating my cab walls. My pump upgrade has been the biggest advantage to my water filtration. The airstone that I bought I'm sure is better than the cheap blue ones but I should have gotten two of the 4 inch instead of 1 of the 8.5 inch disk. I may try to return it and trade it out with the smaller stones. The smaller bubbles are better than the big bubbles as far as oxygenating the water.
 

BluBerry

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Day 36:
I will definitely try something different next time I try DWC for my roots. I see some bad ass roots on here and mine look like shit. They will grow white and healthy for a couple days when I top feed them but if I don't top feed them then the new white ones seem to curl up and are just there. So I started top feeding again to see what happens. Very f*c*ing frustrating. I have read where someone has done their whole grow with the roots fully submerged and they grew just fine so I'm not sure whats up with mine. The plants look fine, but I know if the root system was as healthy as it should be then they would be better looking. I know my whole journal has been about these damn roots, but that's been my main problem. And for everyone else it seems very simple to get white healthy roots. Not I says the little mouse! I bought Voo Doo Juice because it is supposed to help root growth. Maybe I didn't use it right. IDK. But at $70 for a 1L bottle it better work. Next time I may try DM Zone. I have heard good things about that, but also heard good things about Voo Doo so who knows. I'm in limbo on my fan/filter as well. I have found a few cheaper DIY filters on here that I could see working and for a fraction of the cost as others. I was thinking one of the can type filters but found one using a car filter with carbon inside it that would go on the outside of the room and one that is simpler than that. Take a Scotch Guard cloth and sew 3 sides of it up and fill it with carbon and then either sew or velcro the top up after you put the carbon in and then simply take the pouch and fasten it in your air duct somehow. For around $5 dollars each I gotta try it. I would do two of them to be safe but I think that one would really work as long as my fan was strong enough to push the air thru it. But then my issue with that is my fan would only have duct on the exhaust side and not the intake side of it. If ya know what I'm saying. Then the fan would probably be louder. Those are my concerns as of now. A couple of em anyways.

On the bright side. The plants do look healthy and are growing. They are still alive! Yay! Extrema is really taking to the screen well. The two El Mons are starting to kick in and reach the screen. The inner growth is kicking into gear now.They better kick into overdrive because they have 9 days until they get flipped to 12/12. I really wanna go longer with veg but I just wanna get them started and finished and then I'll do my next grow in the winter months or after I move. But not gonna move til my babies are done. Luckily they are Indicas and have a 8-9 week flowering time. I noticed like 3 small burn spots on Extrema lower leaves, but it looks like it was from where I was top feeding and may have got some water on the leaves because they are small and I have not seen anymore of them. Oh well. Doesn't bother me as long as they look fine and healthy.
Thats my morning rant. Lol!

 

melazapura

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Wow blu that was a lot of f'ing green words on that post lol!

So you're fliping the lights in 9 days? Can't wait to see the magic happen.
Got any Ideas on what kind of feeding schedule you're going to follow ? And when are you changing to flower nutes?
 

Niko Bellick

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Hey read your journal bro. Don't know if it'll help you but have you tried using Rhezitonic from canna? twenty for a small bottle but its always grown me some thick roots with tons of lil hairs growing off em. and you can foliar feed so if you don't wanna put it in your res you don't have to. just a suggestion.
 

BluBerry

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I have never tried that product Niko. This is my first hydro so I am still learning a few things. That is the plan Mel, to flip in 9 days. Hoping that they grow a bit more in that time frame. I don't really have a set plan on a feeding schedule. I was just gonna change out the rez and add flower nutes at around 1100-1200 PPM and start the 12/12. Then raise PPMs 100-200 each week and hopefully finishing around 1800 PPM or so. Or should I run ph'd water for a couple days? I would think I would be depriving them of nutrients and shocking them by doing this. I'm open to suggestions.
 

melazapura

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I agree, after reading around IMO you'd be depriving them of nutes on a very important stage if flush now . I would just change to flower nutes a week before and try to reach 1200 and work my way up to the 1800 mark if you can without burning them and flush only if need it or before harvest. some people give them 24-36 hours of darkness and change to hps a week before flipping...
 

BluBerry

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:leaf: Give them 24-36 hours of darkness before flowering? This is also done at the end of flowering as well I believe. It makes sense. Help to trigger the flowering season. I don't think it's necessary but may be helpful. :leaf:
 

don2009

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Yo good job bro on everything so far. IDK if you tried this yet I havent been online in a while to see if you did, H202 or proxide the shit from the dollar store it will get your roots white and looking good I promise you thats the problem if you did use that then :( IDK . If not go get some I got regular perxiode first and I was trippin on how good my roots looked in like 2-3 days you will always need that and love it then if you like it buy the higher % stuff from the hydro store. Go get some NOW! If possible, good luck bro
 

BluBerry

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El Mon 2 roots are not even touching the water. They used to but just seem to die away. When I raise the water level the water and bubbles push the roots and make them lay against the bottom of the pot. Then they die off so I lowered the water and top feed El Mon 2 times a day. Shall see what happens but I'm getting tired of chasing the roots. I would think the bubbles would splash and get roots wet enough to feed the plant tho. My idea with the screen is to fill it out 75% with each spot sticking above the screen an inch then flip to flower and let them stretch and hopefully be about 6-8 inch long buds. I hope so anyways, even tho if one becomes a male it will suck having that empty space in the screen. Oh well, I'll take it as it comes.

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