Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)

homebrewer said:

Those plants look good, nice job!

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HB,

Goin into week 5 12/12. (As a refresher, Im using the 80/20 dynagro mix you prefer.)

Girls are doing well but I'm starting to get some leaves yellowing. My EC has been around 1.5 which has kept them looking green and healthy. I'd say about 5% yellowing on the plants that are actually experiencing this. I read you like to keep them green until harvest. So I'm a little worried my girls are using up their stored food too prematurely

I was thinking about giving the girls an N boost with some GH micro. Was just going to add about 2ml/gallon of the micro to get some N in there. Since they have used up some of the stored N too early do you think I should continue to give them a small Maintanance dose of N all the way through now?

Can I recover from this? I realize its not end of the world but I'm hoping I didn't accelerate the maturation process and lose out on some bud growth.

Samcro4 said:

HB,

Goin into week 5 12/12. (As a refresher, Im using the 80/20 dynagro mix you prefer.)

Girls are doing well but I'm starting to get some leaves yellowing. My EC has been around 1.5 which has kept them looking green and healthy. I'd say about 5% yellowing on the plants that are actually experiencing this. I read you like to keep them green until harvest. So I'm a little worried my girls are using up their stored food too prematurely

I was thinking about giving the girls an N boost with some GH micro. Was just going to add about 2ml/gallon of the micro to get some N in there. Since they have used up some of the stored N too early do you think I should continue to give them a small Maintanance dose of N all the way through now?

Can I recover from this? I realize its not end of the world but I'm hoping I didn't accelerate the maturation process and lose out on some bud growth.

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1.5EC is stronger than I go but do whatever works for you. Just stay the course and see if that 80/20 continues to give you a few yellow leaves. If it does then try 70/30, tweak as needed.

homebrewer said:

1.5EC is stronger than I go but do whatever works for you. Just stay the course and see if that 80/20 continues to give you a few yellow leaves. If it does then try 70/30, tweak as needed.

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Ok. I will drop it down a couple tenths, stick w 80/20, and see how they respond. Thanks. I was wondering after I wrote that if maybe I was dealing w some lockout issues because i let the water level get lower than usual. So I think that approach as well as possibly changing to 70/30 is a better plan than adding some GH micro for the N.

I'm still trying to figure it out as its my first run. Wanna keep it simple and limit the number of variables so thanks for pointing me in that direction. Just so much damn info and so many damn opinions that I'm glad that are guys like you and others doing the side to side comparisons and teaching common sense and fundamentals.

I have kept my temps and humidity constant. On a mission to find that sweet spot for nutes in every phase of the grow.

Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on topping clones? Obviously, no true node pairs since they are clones, so uncle bens multi cola formations isn't possible. Heavy indicas, one pheno is already pretty squatty at about 30" max after stretch, developing huge thick buds, the other pheno is leggy and gets to about 42" after stretch with more space than I'd prefer between nodes. Buds on this pheno are more spaced out and as of week 5 not developed into those huge continuous stacked calyx bud.

Obviously, I'm going to make my final assessment after harvest, but I was just curious as to how you feel about topping clones in early veg.

Samcro4 said:

Ok. I will drop it down a couple tenths, stick w 80/20, and see how they respond. Thanks. I was wondering after I wrote that if maybe I was dealing w some lockout issues because i let the water level get lower than usual. So I think that approach as well as possibly changing to 70/30 is a better plan than adding some GH micro for the N.

I'm still trying to figure it out as its my first run. Wanna keep it simple and limit the number of variables so thanks for pointing me in that direction. Just so much damn info and so many damn opinions that I'm glad that are guys like you and others doing the side to side comparisons and teaching common sense and fundamentals.

I have kept my temps and humidity constant. On a mission to find that sweet spot for nutes in every phase of the grow.

Just out of curiosity, what's your opinion on topping clones? Obviously, no true node pairs since they are clones, so uncle bens multi cola formations isn't possible. Heavy indicas, one pheno is already pretty squatty at about 30" max after stretch, developing huge thick buds, the other pheno is leggy and gets to about 42" after stretch with more space than I'd prefer between nodes. Buds on this pheno are more spaced out and as of week 5 not developed into those huge continuous stacked calyx bud.

Obviously, I'm going to make my final assessment after harvest, but I was just curious as to how you feel about topping clones in early veg.

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I think it's a good idea to top, bend, supercrop, trim, tie down, etc. any plant whether from seed or clone.

HB,

Thanks for the advice. Fixed the girls right up. Immediately. Figured it would take a few days but they looked better overnight.

I def think I have two different phenos. Short and thick then tall and scraggly. What sucks is I figured the taller girls were going to be better producers. However, once they went to 12/12 they stretched too much and put waaay to much space between internodes. 2.5 inches. Whereas, the shorter thicker and larger leafed girls have some really amazing colas.

I have a good set up. Plenty hps wattage. But I wasn't keeping them cool enough during day temps so the drops from day to night were 15-20 degrees. I focused on getting so much else right I figured this could be one thing I let slide till next time around. Sealed room and didn't have the time or money to get proper AC installed to keep it cooler during day. But what's confusing me is how half of them are doing awesome and half are taller and scrawny w basically 3-5 inch colas. Most smaller. I'm wondering if I managed the day/night temp change better if the taller leggier girls would have out produced the shorter girls.

In your guys experience, when there is sufficient light and nutrients provided, do you find the cause of excess intermodal spacing to be too much of a drop from day to night temps?

It's def a ton to take in as a newb and I need to tell myself to learn from mistakes and move on. I don't know. Maybe I set my expectations too high.

yeah everyone has been growing(in Promix soil) for years and years using expert level nute boxes with all the answers, and with great results! but you give them one, maybe two bottles and tell them just watch your plants and they will guide you. Then all of the sudden they are ready to abandon what has worked so great for them, and proceed to ask the same questions over and over and over. if you dont want to learn to grow or read your plants, then dont as HB to do it for you! people need to quit trying to replicate someones grow and experiment and learn for themselves

Bud Diamond said:

yeah everyone has been growing(in Promix soil) for years and years using expert level nute boxes with all the answers, and with great results! but you give them one, maybe two bottles and tell them just watch your plants and they will guide you. Then all of the sudden they are ready to abandon what has worked so great for them, and proceed to ask the same questions over and over and over. if you dont want to learn to grow or read your plants, then dont as HB to do it for you! people need to quit trying to replicate someones grow and experiment and learn for themselves

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I kinda agree with you here, yes learning from ones own experiences does help more than any advice that is given. Without HB and his experience I would be about 5 years behind in knowledge on this great plant. Sometimes learning for oneself doesn't work very fast or at all and just a helpful point in the right direction is all it takes. HB has helped me many times to help guide me in the direction that was right for me. He is not the only one I have to thank but he does have good advise.

What I admire about Homebrewer is that will never tell you what to do, but does offer suggestions for one to try with years of expertise to back it up in a confident, humble way.

Whooo! Moon shine!

I'm a fan of general guidelines and then tweaking as to what works best for the grower and their strains.

Here is an Afgooie cross from Classic Seeds fed foliage pro and protekt from clone to harvest:

Bud Diamond said:

yeah everyone has been growing(in Promix soil) for years and years using expert level nute boxes with all the answers, and with great results! but you give them one, maybe two bottles and tell them just watch your plants and they will guide you. Then all of the sudden they are ready to abandon what has worked so great for them, and proceed to ask the same questions over and over and over. if you dont want to learn to grow or read your plants, then dont as HB to do it for you! people need to quit trying to replicate someones grow and experiment and learn for themselves

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Why the hell wouldn't u follow the advice of those with experience if you have none of your own? Forget this sight, that's life.

Samcro4 said:

Why the hell wouldn't u follow the advice of those with experience if you have none of your own? Forget this sight, that's life.

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I think he's just saying that one can learn a lot from trial-and-error but it's nice to have a jumping-off point for which to dial something in. There are a lot of ways to grow this plant with just a few universal truths, figure out what works best for you and run with it.

There's a HUGE difference in following a gifted growers advice and being a moron.

And you're just trying to learn FAST and skip the experience that comes with growing well than you're not really learning are you? You're just trying to duplicate something else and then you are lost at the first bump in the road.

Excuse me HB, If you don't mind answering which one came out on top that would be amazing. If not just let me know I will go through the whole 60 pages I missed . I am really excited to know them results and might even drop the nutrients I am using for DG.

Thecouchlock said:

Excuse me HB, If you don't mind answering which one came out on top that would be amazing. If not just let me know I will go through the whole 60 pages I missed . I am really excited to know them results and might even drop the nutrients I am using for DG.

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Here is a link to the results: https://www.rollitup.org/t/dyna-gro-vs-advanced-nutrients-connoisseur-ak47-grow.429438/page-25#post-6070527

Hi Homebrewer.

I have been reading through some of your journals and want to try Dyna-Gro. It is not readily available here in Ontario so I will have to ask them to international ship. Adding to the cost.
I am going to order it anyway after I have used the last of my DutchMaster nutes.
In the mean time I would like to come as close to the 1-3-2 ratio you have been recommending.

I have the following flower nutes:

Flow A 4 0 4 1.5 0.5
Flow B 1 8 5 0 0.6

A+B 5 8 9 1.5 1.1
or 1 1.6 1.8 .3 .2
Leaving me short of P and K

I also have some old "Bloom Booster" 0-50-30 and a "Veg Fortifier" 12-40-12 (not used for 2 years) which are both dry ferts
My 1st question is how much of this dry ferts could I add to get close to the desired 1-3-2 ?

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My 2nd question is are the levels of Ca and Mag sufficient? I use tap water with a starting PPM of 280 (.7 scale) and ph out of the tap of 7.7
I also have been adding a liquid potassium silicate product to my reservoirs. The concentration is not listed (neither is the K) but it is thick and syrupy. I use 30 ml/175L in veg and 20ml/150L for the first 4 weeks of flower.

btw my setup is flood and drain using 1 gallon pots containing straight perlite. 2 week cycle. Tray 1 wks 1-4, Tray 2 wks 5-8, Tray 3 wks 9-10

any help you can give so I can use up these nutes effectively would be awesome.

Famine

famine said:

Hi Homebrewer.

I have been reading through some of your journals and want to try Dyna-Gro. It is not readily available here in Ontario so I will have to ask them to international ship. Adding to the cost.
I am going to order it anyway after I have used the last of my DutchMaster nutes.
In the mean time I would like to come as close to the 1-3-2 ratio you have been recommending.

I have the following flower nutes:

N P K Cal Mag​

Flow A 4 0 4 1.5 0.5
Flow B 1 8 5 0 0.6

A+B 5 8 9 1.5 1.1
or 1 1.6 1.8 .3 .2
Leaving me short of P and K

I also have some old "Bloom Booster" (not used for 2 years) which is a dry fert 0-50-30
My 1st question is how much of this "bloom booster" would I need to add to get close to the desired 1-3-2 ?
My 2nd question is are the levels of Ca and Mag sufficient? I use tap water with a starting PPM of 280 (.7 scale) and ph out of the tap of 7.7
I also have been adding a liquid potassium silicate product to my reservoirs. The concentration is not listed (neither is the K) but it is thick and syrupy. I use 30 ml/175L in veg and 20ml/150L for the first 4 weeks of flower.

btw my setup is flood and drain using 1 gallon pots containing straight perlite. 2 week cycle. Tray 1 wks 1-4, Tray 2 wks 5-8, Tray 3 wks 9-10

any help you can give so I can use up these nutes effectively would be awesome.

Famine

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How much 0-50-30 should you use? Maybe a 3/4 gram per gallon?

I don't love your tap water but unless you're seeing a Ca or Mg deficiency, I think you're probably ok.

homebrewer said:

I think he's just saying that one can learn a lot from trial-and-error but it's nice to have a jumping-off point for which to dial something in. There are a lot of ways to grow this plant with just a few universal truths, figure out what works best for you and run with it.

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I agree w that. And just wanted to say thanks again. Finished at 0.81 gpw. I know alot people don't value that unit of measure. But I was happy with it and it gives a general idea of how I finished up. It was my first time around, had day temps avg 92 and night temp dropped to mid 70s. There were a few times they were drinking so fast that I'd be a day two late on feeding. I made alot of mistakes. I also learned a ton. I've had time since to address climate control and now run 79 day 68 night. Looking forward to see how they finish w better climate control and making sure they are always fed on time.

I def could not have done as well as I did (relative to my experience) without the tips guys on RIU shared. So thank you.

I think the one thing that surprised me most is how resilliant these girls are. I screwed up ALOT. And they finished well. My impression after doing all of the reading and research beforehand, was that you needed to get everything as close to ideal as possible or it would ruin your girls and be left w nothing. I wasn't a horrible parent, but I made alot of mistakes a newb would. And also had consistsnt day temps that people said would ruin my girls. So I'm looking forward to the results of a dialed in run.

Thanks again for the advice. If you ask me, DG rocks.

Hey homebrewer , great thread! Just realized I spent 2 hours browsing through the pages lol.

I love dynagro. I've had some great results using it. I wanted something even easier, so I found the Lucas formula.. Which led me to be very disappointed, so it's back to dynagro! I just noticed they have the foliage pro a couple months ago. I've never used foliage pro but would like to give it a chance. I noticed you use 20% grow nutes (give or take) during flowering, would this 20-25% of grow nutes be the same if using foliage pro? I'm just trying to get an idea if it's similar.

I will be running a ebb n grow bucket system in hydroton. Would you recommend dg fp or should I stick with dg grow?

Any tips would be appreciated, thanks!

AlphaPhase said:

Hey homebrewer , great thread! Just realized I spent 2 hours browsing through the pages lol.

I love dynagro. I've had some great results using it. I wanted something even easier, so I found the Lucas formula.. Which led me to be very disappointed, so it's back to dynagro! I just noticed they have the foliage pro a couple months ago. I've never used foliage pro but would like to give it a chance. I noticed you use 20% grow nutes (give or take) during flowering, would this 20-25% of grow nutes be the same if using foliage pro? I'm just trying to get an idea if it's similar.

I will be running a ebb n grow bucket system in hydroton. Would you recommend dg fp or should I stick with dg grow?

Any tips would be appreciated, thanks!

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I mixed Grow with Bloom during flower in hydro because of the N content of Grow. Foliage pro is a more potent option for N so you may be able to get away with less FP than Grow in terms of a percentage. Since switching to just Foliage Pro in promix, I experimented with it in hydro and like it a lot. It essentially serves the same purpose as Grow in terms of supplying more N, it's just nice to now be able to drop Grow from my nutrient shelf.

homebrewer said:

I mixed Grow with Bloom during flower in hydro because of the N content of Grow. Foliage pro is a more potent option for N so you may be able to get away with less FP than Grow in terms of a percentage. Since switching to just Foliage Pro in promix, I experimented with it in hydro and like it a lot. It essentially serves the same purpose as Grow in terms of supplying more N, it's just nice to now be able to drop Grow from my nutrient shelf.

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OK, excellent. The foliage pro definitely looks like a better formula than the grow formula from what I can see.

I'll give it a shot!

I have some tangilope clones that I'll be flowering soon and I don't know anything about the strain really so ill have to tinker around with the nute dosages, but I'm glad I found this thread. It'll at least get me started in the right direction (it's been 2 years since my last dynagro harvest and I forgot how I was using it). Always take notes ladies and gentlemen!