Hi Homebrewer, i've been following your threads for quite some time (mainly because you use dyna-gro) anyways i'm currently working on my npk values and i noticed you like 1-3-2 ... i been using something in the lines of 1-1.5-2 i find it hard without mag-pro to obtain your numbers (mag-pro) isnt local to here, but anyways i hardly ever post and i'm currently writing a spread sheet based on dyna-gro with other nutrients i just recently found out that the stated npks are lies and that P and K values need to be factor'd by other numbers (.43 for P and .83 for K)to obtain their true values , but anyways i was just saying hi and you really share too much good info man no lie keep up the good work ps... i hope to obtain an npk of 1.2.2 soon but i guess i'm gonna have to order mag-pro online i notice dynagro is really lacking in the sulfates without it
Dyna-Gro vs Advanced Nutrients Connoisseur (AK47 Grow)
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Rick Ratlin
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View attachment 1934176View attachment 1934179Just some Dyna grow shots, Blubonic day 52 before cut, and lady burn 1974 at 35 days. Thanks Homebrewer!
rsxr0884
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Hey Homebrewer long time fan of ur DG threads. I gotta a few questions regarding my feeding right now. Im running n ebb and gro with hydroton feeding 3x a day for 15 mins with RO water. Im currently using 10ml grow 5ml pro tek and 2ml of mag pro per gallon. my ppms are at 1030. My EC is about 1.2-1.3. Im using a little more mag pro because my leaves seem to have mag deficiency. Theyre clones that were transplanted 4 days ago and I figured the mag pro would solve this + Ive been reading that the chocolope strain is a cal mag hog. I read that u dont like to use mag pro in veg because it is a bloom booster. Should I disregard the magpro?
For flowering I plan on using the same formula but taking out grow for bloom. Only in the first 2 weeks of flowering will I bump down the bloom and replace the missing bloom with grow to prevent yellowing in the transition. Does this feeding seem like over kill?
For flowering I plan on using the same formula but taking out grow for bloom. Only in the first 2 weeks of flowering will I bump down the bloom and replace the missing bloom with grow to prevent yellowing in the transition. Does this feeding seem like over kill?
homebrewer
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Do you have a hanna meter? You're feeding clones at over 2.0 EC right now with your grow, protekt and magpro combination. If you're seeing any kind of leaf discoloration, it's from over-feeding.
Why would you feed baby clones and mature flowering females at the same levels?
Do some research on your meter and find out what scale you're on. I have a feeling you're on the .5 scale. I feed vegging plants at .7 EC and flowering plants at 1.1-1.2 EC. Knowing what scale you're on and correctly converting to EC is paramount.
homebrewer
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Check out this chart for converting to EC properly: http://www.gardenscure.com/420/hydroponics/96521-printable-ec-ppm-cf-conversion-chart.html
My numbers above for veg and flowering have yet to be offensive to any strain I've grown. .5 and 1.0 EC are fine (250 and 500ppm for you on your scale), just a touch conservative for my tastes but you'll do much better there than where you're at right now
. Good luck!
irishboy
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this is what i am using from start to finish on my next grow. dont think the bloom is needed and the veg will do great all the way threw, the CEO of DG even told me this back in the day and said they only made the bloom because people wanted it, but their tissue sample show the veg would be better. my roots should also be great.lol
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albsure
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Funny I just got an email two days ago from a phd. there at dyna gro answering my questions about feeding and he said just the opposite. I seriously doubt Dyna Gro would send me this feeding schedule http://www.dyna-gro.com/Website%20pdf%20Files/DG%20Hydroponic%20Feeding%20Chart.pdf where it shows discontinuing the use of the Grow product after four weeks for all types of growing methods, if it harmed any plants. I also seriously doubt they would do this in order to sell different products because if not using the Grow after four weeks actually harmed plants, it wouldn't take long for the word to get out and people would stop using their products; and I don't see how that would help sales.
It just doesn't make sense to me for a company that prides itself on the {science} of growing to recommend a feeding schedule that would harm plants. I've been following their advice from the start of my grow, using the maintenance recommendations on the bottles except I discontinued the use of the grow product after five weeks of vegging, I'm just starting the fourth week of flower, and I don't see how my plants could look any healthier. I'm going to up the amount of bloom used and lessen the amount of Mag-Pro based on this feeding schedule. I'm doing a soil grow so I think it's a little bit easier but he did say that based on the amount of lighting you are using you may have to use more of the products if intense levels of light are used or a little less if low levels of light are used and based on how the plant responds.
Based on my results and the recommendation from an expert at the company, I personally wouldn't use just the grow throughout and I would definitely use the bloom. My experience is that I saw rapid blooming when I started using that product and I haven't seen any signs of Nitrogen deficiency. If I do I will add a small amount of grow. I'm growing a Mandala strain plus a skunk/haze strain I got as freebies and they are all doing beautifully. It really has gone without a hitch with beautiful green lush growth from the start and up to this point; I also think really good seeds have helped a great deal too. I also highly recommend Mandala seeds. I planted five seeds, they all germinated and they all grew very well. Two very healthy males, they were big studs too, had to be pulled and all the girls are real winners.
I know I'll be using these Dyna-Gro products in my next grow which is going to be a Water Farm grow and I'm pretty excited about it. Honestly I think these products are so good, I was introduced to them on the Garden Web site by a guy who goes by the name Tapla and he is the indoor gardening guru there and it's all he uses, I think you'd have to try hard to screw up with them; hell maybe using the grow without the bloom will work but I wouldn't do it. They really are solid. They also seem to be cheap to use. Hell I bet I have nearly 90-95% of the stuff left in each bottle and I'm nearly done with my grow. I may have spent $85 on their products and I'm sure they are going to last me a couple of years and many grows. I may have used $8-10 worth of their products on this grow. I've got five healthy plants, so $2 a plant. Money well spent in my book.
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It just doesn't make sense to me for a company that prides itself on the {science} of growing to recommend a feeding schedule that would harm plants. I've been following their advice from the start of my grow, using the maintenance recommendations on the bottles except I discontinued the use of the grow product after five weeks of vegging, I'm just starting the fourth week of flower, and I don't see how my plants could look any healthier. I'm going to up the amount of bloom used and lessen the amount of Mag-Pro based on this feeding schedule. I'm doing a soil grow so I think it's a little bit easier but he did say that based on the amount of lighting you are using you may have to use more of the products if intense levels of light are used or a little less if low levels of light are used and based on how the plant responds.
Based on my results and the recommendation from an expert at the company, I personally wouldn't use just the grow throughout and I would definitely use the bloom. My experience is that I saw rapid blooming when I started using that product and I haven't seen any signs of Nitrogen deficiency. If I do I will add a small amount of grow. I'm growing a Mandala strain plus a skunk/haze strain I got as freebies and they are all doing beautifully. It really has gone without a hitch with beautiful green lush growth from the start and up to this point; I also think really good seeds have helped a great deal too. I also highly recommend Mandala seeds. I planted five seeds, they all germinated and they all grew very well. Two very healthy males, they were big studs too, had to be pulled and all the girls are real winners.
I know I'll be using these Dyna-Gro products in my next grow which is going to be a Water Farm grow and I'm pretty excited about it. Honestly I think these products are so good, I was introduced to them on the Garden Web site by a guy who goes by the name Tapla and he is the indoor gardening guru there and it's all he uses, I think you'd have to try hard to screw up with them; hell maybe using the grow without the bloom will work but I wouldn't do it. They really are solid. They also seem to be cheap to use. Hell I bet I have nearly 90-95% of the stuff left in each bottle and I'm nearly done with my grow. I may have spent $85 on their products and I'm sure they are going to last me a couple of years and many grows. I may have used $8-10 worth of their products on this grow. I've got five healthy plants, so $2 a plant. Money well spent in my book.
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homebrewer
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That feeding schedule is outrageously high for a recirculating system and I'd consider their soil feeding program aggressive at times. That feeding chart is only a guideline and should only be used as an example of how a grower can tailor their own program. Grow, bloom, protekt and magpro are tools and can be used at any time during the life cycle should you plants look like they need them. That being said, Grow and Protekt should be more than adequate for veg and I use all four in flower depending on the needs of the plants.
Again, do not follow that schedule literally, it's only a guideline.
My own strain at day 21 (1.1 EC):
albsure
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Yeah I have no intention of following it literally but I also have no intention of completely ignoring the schedule as one person suggested by leaving out the bloom product and using the grow all the way through. Dyna Gro also recommended adjusting when it was suggested that the amount of lighting will make a big difference and the dosage should be adjusted accordingly. I also said that if the plants show any signs of a nitrogen deficiency I would add some grow. You definitely have to watch your plants but I feel that the guidelines have done right by me so far. The main point is that DG have good products, they are easy to use and give great results at a cheap price.
smokeymcpotterton
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Read the thread bishs, it is all explained. It is probably the most ph stable nute out there.
Plants are looking incredible homebrewer!
Plants are looking incredible homebrewer!
irishboy
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sorry not the KLN all the way threw
ive been told from everyone that every used it that they love it and makes nice roots and keep things eal clean. thought i would give it a try
to each is their own. i know what i know and have talked to grows that did it both ways and now only use grow all the way threw and like their results better. our plants like more N in bloom and ive tested this out and last time i got 2liter size buds.lol. the CEO of DG even read off his tissue sample he had done talking about what the NPK and micros were used more.
i never said anything about harming plants just said i was told the bloom was not needed and i feel the same. one way to find out. you should stick to the bloom it did good for me in the past just think the grow will do better for me in flowering
those 2 liter size buds in my avatar were grown with high N in bloom real high infact. Jacks classic also uses high N and dose great.
..... i've read the thread. this is why i'm asking if anyone else is having issues with PH dropping. I'm using 3:1 bloom, 2ml mag pro, 5ml pro-tek at 600 ppm inr RO, ph lands at 5.8 when first mixing nutes. drops to 4.9 in a few days.
silly child, im going to assume that the res is too small.
smokeymcpotterton
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Bishs, all I can say is "really"? That your calling me a child... Lets look at your first post:
"Does anyone have issues w/ dynagro lowering ph over time"
This in no way implies that you are growing, using dynagro, or even INTEND to use dynagro, it simply seems you are asking a ballpark question regarding the ph properties of dynagro. Hence why I said "read the thread". Now in your second post, you give us a bit more info, and a bit more to go on.
So why resort to petty name calling? It should not have even have had to have come to this, of me having to point these things out, why can't people just recognize these things for themselves...
As far as your issue w/ the dynagro: I don't know. Sounds like you just have something you have to work w/.
"Does anyone have issues w/ dynagro lowering ph over time"
This in no way implies that you are growing, using dynagro, or even INTEND to use dynagro, it simply seems you are asking a ballpark question regarding the ph properties of dynagro. Hence why I said "read the thread". Now in your second post, you give us a bit more info, and a bit more to go on.
So why resort to petty name calling? It should not have even have had to have come to this, of me having to point these things out, why can't people just recognize these things for themselves...
As far as your issue w/ the dynagro: I don't know. Sounds like you just have something you have to work w/.
burrr
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Bish, I experience some ph drop. it becomes more noticeable late in the bloom cycle. I always dilute my ph up before adding to the rez.
I check daily, and get a drop from 6.0 to 5.6 at the most.