Dyna-Gro vs General Hydroponics (Dumpster Grow)

duo maxwell said:

Hey, Homebrewer, how do you decide to when your going to put your plants into flowering? I can't find any consistent info on this subject. Any info on this would be greatly appreciated.

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I know what to expect out the the strains I have when in flower so I try to grow them up to a certain point in veg knowing they'll double or triple in height. The stretch seems to be greater in hydro than in soil so my hydro plants are usually never taller than 15 inches when I move them to 12/12. I also top and train them in veg before they get to that height so that I have a 'bushy' structure. 600's will only penetrate so far into the canopy so there is a point of diminishing returns as far as height and veg time goes and how it relates to yield. For me and my situation, 15 inches or so in hydro and about 20 inches in dirt are about the ideal heights for me to get the most out of my plants while minimizing veg times.

homebrewer said:

I know what to expect out the the strains I have when in flower so I try to grow them up to a certain point in veg knowing they'll double or triple in height. The stretch seems to be greater in hydro than in soil so my hydro plants are usually never taller than 15 inches when I move them to 12/12. I also top and train them in veg before they get to that height so that I have a 'bushy' structure. 600's will only penetrate so far into the canopy so there is a point of diminishing returns as far as height and veg time goes and how it relates to yield. For me and my situation, 15 inches or so in hydro and about 20 inches in dirt are about the ideal heights for me to get the most out of my plants while minimizing veg times.

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Do your strains show signs of sex before you put them into bloom? If not, do you ever get plants that hermie from early flowering? I was wondering if There is any truth to the "early flowering puts a lot of stress on the plant" debate.

duo maxwell said:

Do your strains show signs of sex before you put them into bloom? If not, do you ever get plant that hermie from early flowering? I was wondering if There is any truth to the "early flowering puts a lot of stress on the plant" debate.

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it is bullshit

duo maxwell said:

Do your strains show signs of sex before you put them into bloom? If not, do you ever get plants that hermie from early flowering? I was wondering if There is any truth to the "early flowering puts a lot of stress on the plant" debate.

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I flower clones 99% of the time from my mothers. Usually plants will show preflowers in veg, especially females, but I've never heard of your early flower hermie situation.

Illumination said:

it is bullshit

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Thanks I thought the same thing I just wanted to ask some experienced growers.

homebrewer said:

I flower clones 99% of the time from my mothers. Usually plants will show preflowers in veg, especially females, but I've never heard of your early flower hermie situation.

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Yeah, a lot of the people on here seem to think That if you flower you plants early that the stress will cause plants to hermie.Thanks for the help guys and happy growing.

duo maxwell said:

Yeah, a lot of the people on here seem to think That if you flower you plants early that the stress will cause plants to hermie.Thanks for the help guys and happy growing.

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A lot of growers on here hold a lot of incorrect things to be true. Just find a few guys who are performing like you'd like to perform and pick their brains.

duo maxwell said:

Yeah, a lot of the people on here seem to think That if you flower you plants early that the stress will cause plants to hermie.Thanks for the help guys and happy growing.

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Although I have noticed that from seed a longer veg will make a noticeable increase in potency....not phenomenal but I can tell from what I have grown...have found that in most instances at least 6 weeks seems to be the shortest IMHHO

Illumination said:

Although I have noticed that from seed a longer veg will make a noticeable increase in potency....not phenomenal but I can tell from what I have grown...have found that in most instances at least 6 weeks seems to be the shortest IMHHO

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yeah sorry i forgot to mention that I was starting from seed.
OK... OK so this is what i take from you guys.From what you have seen there will be a slight yet noticeable drop in potency from early flowering.(early: meaning before six weeks or so) When you grow a plant from seed you have to grow it to maturity if you want to receive its full potency (assuming you do everything else near perfect from seedling to harvest).
If i start from a clone (A clone is a genetic copy from the mother plant. Which is also the same age as the mother plant.) then I should have no problem with early flowering.Seeing is that if i were to take a clone from a 4 week old plant and put it to veg for 2 weeks then technically the clone would be a 6 week old plant, right?
Please correct me if I am wrong. I am trying to understand this concept. Thanks again guys you are a huge help.

duo maxwell said:

yeah sorry i forgot to mention that I was starting from seed.
OK... OK so this is what i take from you guys.From what you have seen there will be a slight yet noticeable drop in potency from early flowering.(early: meaning before six weeks or so) When you grow a plant from seed you have to grow it to maturity if you want to receive its full potency (assuming you do everything else near perfect from seedling to harvest).
If i start from a clone (A clone is a genetic copy from the mother plant. Which is also the same age as the mother plant.) then I should have no problem with early flowering.Seeing is that if i were to take a clone from a 4 week old plant and put it to veg for 2 weeks then technically the clone would be a 6 week old plant, right?
Please correct me if I am wrong. I am trying to understand this concept. Thanks again guys you are a huge help.

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You can flower a clone the minute it roots, as you said its a genetic copy of the mother and already is aware of its maturity. People tend to wait 2 weeks to give the roots time to grow, I however grow my clones in an aero cloner and at the first signs of good roots i pot them up and put them straight into bloom.

I am of course running a sog set up.

hey sonny is a SOG hard to setup/maintain? would it be needed with 12 plants in a 5x5 area?

Can everyone tell me how big there roots are by the end of the grow?

im trying to see how big to veg my ladies in my setup before ill run into root space issues
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-journals/425937-recircluating-aeroponics-second-grow-white.html#post5609768 For a picture of the setup (full build coming when my nutrients come in due to this town not having dyna-gro suppliers and my lights having some kind of customs issue)

ive got 20 slots i was thinking about using 12 in a
1-0-1-0-1
1-0-1-0-1
1-0-1-0-1 Fashion under a 1000watter

Are there supposed to be little white flakes in the ProTekt? I just noticed it the other day after changing out reservoirs, don't remember it being that way the last time I measured it out.

Did you accidently get some grow in there? I heard it can crystalize if you mix it funny...?

Encomium said:

Are there supposed to be little white flakes in the ProTekt? I just noticed it the other day after changing out reservoirs, don't remember it being that way the last time I measured it out.

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No it is supposed to be clear...something has entered the solution or caused the ph to drop and that is precipitate...silica needs high pH around 10.5 to remain soluble in high concentrations...is why they cannot just add it to the other nutes at the high concentrations or it will precipitate

I've seen a few specks in mine also.

Encomium said:

Are there supposed to be little white flakes in the ProTekt? I just noticed it the other day after changing out reservoirs, don't remember it being that way the last time I measured it out.

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The little white flakes are normal.

Silica blast from botanicare has lots of white silica flakes in it. When i first opened it i was like SO THIS is what they fill boobs with

Any chance homebrewer wants to tell me roughly how much root room he uses by the end of the grow?

fallinprince said:

Any chance homebrewer wants to tell me roughly how much root room he uses by the end of the grow?

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My plants are in the 6 inch rockwool blocks and the roots stay confined to the block. I'm not sure if that's what you're asking.

Thanks guys for the responses. It's not a lot of tiny specks just a wee bit so I was just curious if I had missed it mixing my first few batches of nute solution.

On a different note, I was ph'ing one of my reservoirs and noticed a very faint cloudiness to it. The other reservoir I mixed a day after is not cloudy and is what I expect (clear and tinged green). I had thought this might be due to the Protekt I had used to mix the solution was bad (ie the white flakes) but since hb says it's normal then I'm wondering if this could have been due to the water I had used to fill the rez after the last change-out. I use tapwater @ 125 ppm. Typically I fill up X amount of 1-gallon (old plastic distilled water jugs) jugs of tapwater and let it sit overnight with the caps off then use that to fill up a clean reservoir. With the cloudy rez previously mentioned, the tapwater had sat in the gallon jugs with caps on for 7 days (covered with a blanket so light proof). Could this be a reason why this particular rez is cloudy? I've also thought it could be due to removing an airstone from the rez and placing it into the smaller rez next to it. The cloudy rez is quite large, 16 gallons full, with only 1 airstone aerating it.

Encomium said:

...the tapwater had sat in the gallon jugs with caps on for 7 days (covered with a blanket so light proof). Could this be a reason why this particular rez is cloudy? I've also thought it could be due to removing an airstone from the rez and placing it into the smaller rez next to it. The cloudy rez is quite large, 16 gallons full, with only 1 airstone aerating it.

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If protekt isn't mixed in thoroughly before you start adding the base nutes, it will bond to minerals and create a cloudy solution. A better sign is that you'll see mineral particulate at the bottom of your res if that was the case. If this isn't the cause of your cloudy res, then I'd suggest you skip the 'sit your water out overnight' step. Only in extreme cases would this be necessary and odds are, your water isn't extreme being what it is. Cloudy water aside, if your pH is stable and EC is in check and the plants look good, don't worry about it. Change your res out in less than a week and make some tweaks.