Early Signs of Defeciency

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bankcee

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I'm growing NL in 7 gallon smart pots in a super soil outdoors.

a couple days ago I noticed these leaves yellowing and I'm not sure what it is. Or what it could be.. I've noticed though that my plants are drinking more water and I doubt that would be the issue but who knows.

these are all leaves that are first node growth.. is it normal? should I jist tear then off and let her divert her energy else where?

thanks in advance!!
 

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What about that PM on the other leaf , white powdery mildew looking stuff? Also I would remove leaves she is taking what she needs from them I beleave.
 
green_machine_two9er said:
are you feeding AACT? once in a while?
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haven't fed anything since I planted just good old water. I don't think it's pm. the other night i hit them with some spinosad and that showed up the next morning. ive had that white powder when i sprayed them down with DE a while back too then some rain washed it off.. idk if the spinosad kinda dried that way. how can i distinguish that it is pm? I've been overly cautious with feedings cause I don't wanna burn then if it isn't a deficiency. and I've wanted to top dress with some ewc some kelp and maybe, maybe some alfalfa. but I'm nervous. haha don't wanna fuck em up.
 
240sxing said:
What about that PM on the other leaf , white powdery mildew looking stuff? Also I would remove leaves she is taking what she needs from them I beleave.
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you would or wouldn't take leaves?

and that white stuff I'm not sure if it's pm or spinosad that dried from the other night. I'm battling thrips right now. and when I used the spinosad the next day that showed up so I just assumed it was dried spinosad. I'm gonna give them a foliar water down later this evening.. and see if that washed whatever it is off.
 
You will all ways have some yellow leave's on bottom stem. one should flush at least every 4 weeks of growth in all stages of growth
 
PM will have a fuzz like appearance to it, where as a dried pest treatment would just leave a film on the leaf. should be very easy to distinguish.

I would say that you have a Mg deficiency going on. very slight i might add. see how the veins in the leaf remain green? one key ID. another is that it's occurring on the oldest growth. Mg is a highly mobile element in the plant, and it will break itself down at the oldest growth to get Mg to the new growth; in which case it seems even more likely given the look of your plants age... it's not showing flowers yet.

In a SS it seems strange that you are experiencing any deficiencies already as that plant is young-ish still. it shouldn't need transplanted yet with almost a CF of soil... but if she needs transplanted that could be what is happening. Did you skip an amendment, or not have enough of something? did your soil "cook" long enough? Maybe some amendment is in excess and preventing the Mg from being taken up?

first thing i would do is a simple ACT with EWC and BSM. this is not a plant food tea (im sure you know this already) but just a microbe boost to your soil. if there is Mg in the soil, but unavailable to the plant, the microbes should do the work for you.

another thing you can try is an epsom salt foliar feed, for the most immediate results (or so i've read). maybe combine epsom with aloe vera for the foliar?

also, i would not remove those leaves. if she's taking from them, obviously she needs something that isn't being supplied. so let her eat them, and hopefully she will stop when you resolve the problem.
 
bankcee said:
you would or wouldn't take leaves?

and that white stuff I'm not sure if it's pm or spinosad that dried from the other night. I'm battling thrips right now. and when I used the spinosad the next day that showed up so I just assumed it was dried spinosad. I'm gonna give them a foliar water down later this evening.. and see if that washed whatever it is off.
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bankcee said:
you would or wouldn't take leaves?

and that white stuff I'm not sure if it's pm or spinosad that dried from the other night. I'm battling thrips right now. and when I used the spinosad the next day that showed up so I just assumed it was dried spinosad. I'm gonna give them a foliar water down later this evening.. and see if that washed whatever it is off.
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I would try an Simple EWC and Molasses tea. maybe some kelp or alfafa or both in their to. bubble 24-36 hours strain and go. 1 cup EWC to 1 tbsp molasses. / gallon of water. Really this is to kick in your microbial activity in your ss. not so much as feed the plant. Will not burn whatsoever.
Also, i do not recomemnd removing any growth throughout the entire cycle, but many have idfferent thoughts on this one. my train of thought is to do everythiing in my power to not stress out my ladies. even on leaf pulled, although is minimal stress, is more than doing nothing. they will fall off when shes ready to lt them go.

you will know if you have PM. and it will spread quickly
 
ShLUbY said:
PM will have a fuzz like appearance to it, where as a dried pest treatment would just leave a film on the leaf. should be very easy to distinguish.

I would say that you have a Mg deficiency going on. very slight i might add. see how the veins in the leaf remain green? one key ID. another is that it's occurring on the oldest growth. Mg is a highly mobile element in the plant, and it will break itself down at the oldest growth to get Mg to the new growth; in which case it seems even more likely given the look of your plants age... it's not showing flowers yet.

In a SS it seems strange that you are experiencing any deficiencies already as that plant is young-ish still. it shouldn't need transplanted yet with almost a CF of soil... but if she needs transplanted that could be what is happening. Did you skip an amendment, or not have enough of something? did your soil "cook" long enough? Maybe some amendment is in excess and preventing the Mg from being taken up?

first thing i would do is a simple ACT with EWC and BSM. this is not a plant food tea (im sure you know this already) but just a microbe boost to your soil. if there is Mg in the soil, but unavailable to the plant, the microbes should do the work for you.

another thing you can try is an epsom salt foliar feed, for the most immediate results (or so i've read). maybe combine epsom with aloe vera for the foliar?

also, i would not remove those leaves. if she's taking from them, obviously she needs something that isn't being supplied. so let her eat them, and hopefully she will stop when you resolve the problem.
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never used epsom salt or aloe.. what kind of epsom and what kind of aloe? kind that I can find at a drug store? and how would I mix?
 
remember guys I'm no pro so may I ask why I would need to bring my microbes to life? two things, like why, in the first place is it not doing what it needed to and why today would it have stopped working? lockout? idk how to explain my question lol maybe you all get me. and also what do the microbial life do for my plants? breaks down the food into a form that my roots can take up, correct?

and how can I fix this asap..? with something that wouldn't hurt my plants. I already have ewcs. I want something quick easy and effective. lol anything other than molasses? and I don't have a bubbler..
 
bankcee said:
remember guys I'm no pro so may I ask why I would need to bring my microbes to life? two things, like why, in the first place is it not doing what it needed to and why today would it have stopped working? lockout? idk how to explain my question lol maybe you all get me. and also what do the microbial life do for my plants? breaks down the food into a form that my roots can take up, correct?

and how can I fix this asap..? with something that wouldn't hurt my plants. I already have ewcs. I want something quick easy and effective. lol anything other than molasses? and I don't have a bubbler..
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ok before i answer any further questions....

please explain to me what your SS recipe is, how you mixed it, and did you water it with a microbial tea of any kind or just wet it down. this will help us understand your situation before we can narrow down the issue.
 
bankcee said:
remember guys I'm no pro so may I ask why I would need to bring my microbes to life? two things, like why, in the first place is it not doing what it needed to and why today would it have stopped working? lockout? idk how to explain my question lol maybe you all get me. and also what do the microbial life do for my plants? breaks down the food into a form that my roots can take up, correct?

and how can I fix this asap..? with something that wouldn't hurt my plants. I already have ewcs. I want something quick easy and effective. lol anything other than molasses? and I don't have a bubbler..
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molasses or other sugar sources can be used. BSM seems to be the most popluar. it will not hurt your plants. the sugars become food for microbial life to explode while in activating in water with EWC. if done correctly most of the BSM will be consumed before watering into soil. whats left is a herd of mirco farmers. microbes yes are breaking down nutrients and making avialable to plant. in laymans terms. there is a whole symbiosis going on between bacteria, fungal growth, rhizpphere and plant itself. so dont underestimate the power of those little guys cuase they are the most important part of Organic soil growing. IMO

and invest in a simple air pump and stone. you can get all set up with a simple fish tank pump for like 15$ anywhere. and stones are cheap.
 
ShLUbY said:
ok before i answer any further questions....

please explain to me what your SS recipe is, how you mixed it, and did you water it with a microbial tea of any kind or just wet it down. this will help us understand your situation before we can narrow down the issue.
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its peat, ewc, and perlite mixed at equal parts. then I added a cup of lime per cubic foot of soil. that's my base..

then I added 1 cup of each in to mixing a bowl: crab, neem, alfalfa, and epsoma plant tone.
then added 2 cups of each to that same mixing bowl: fish bone and kelp. and 3 cups of this mix per cubic foot of soil.
and 4 cups azomite per cubic foot soil and mixed and wet til was damp. like a rung out cloth or sponge. and let sit for about a month and a half.

stirred a few times. and re wet as needed.
 
bankcee said:
its peat, ewc, and perlite mixed at equal parts. then I added a cup of lime per cubic foot of soil. that's my base..

then I added 1 cup of each in to mixing a bowl: crab, neem, alfalfa, and epsoma plant tone.
then added 2 cups of each to that same mixing bowl: fish bone and kelp. and 3 cups of this mix per cubic foot of soil.
and 4 cups azomite per cubic foot soil and mixed and wet til was damp. like a rung out cloth or sponge. and let sit for about a month and a half.

stirred a few times. and re wet as needed.
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the key thing i think we're missing here.... you did not water it in with a basic compost tea?? 5 gallon bucket with 4 gallons of pure water (RO, rain, whatever), cup of worm castings plus 1/4cup molasses heavily bubbled for 24-48hrs

seems like maybe the microbe population is low in your soil. like poster above said, this tea will not feed your plant, it will feed your soil, which feeds your plant slowly. guarantee will not burn.

Edit: also if your soil dries out too much it will make the micro life unhappy. which will cause them to stop breaking down things in the soil to feed your plant!
 
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bankcee said:
its peat, ewc, and perlite mixed at equal parts. then I added a cup of lime per cubic foot of soil. that's my base..

then I added 1 cup of each in to mixing a bowl: crab, neem, alfalfa, and epsoma plant tone.
then added 2 cups of each to that same mixing bowl: fish bone and kelp. and 3 cups of this mix per cubic foot of soil.
and 4 cups azomite per cubic foot soil and mixed and wet til was damp. like a rung out cloth or sponge. and let sit for about a month and a half.

stirred a few times. and re wet as needed.
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way to much azomite imo. and what kind of lime are you talking about? makes a big difference. i was talked into skipping it altogether and subing with oyster shell, gypsum other buffers such as active biochar
 
bankcee said:
its peat, ewc, and perlite mixed at equal parts. then I added a cup of lime per cubic foot of soil. that's my base..

then I added 1 cup of each in to mixing a bowl: crab, neem, alfalfa, and epsoma plant tone.
then added 2 cups of each to that same mixing bowl: fish bone and kelp. and 3 cups of this mix per cubic foot of soil.
and 4 cups azomite per cubic foot soil and mixed and wet til was damp. like a rung out cloth or sponge. and let sit for about a month and a half.

stirred a few times. and re wet as needed.
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also a local fresh composted manure source would help with biodiversity
 
also thinking maybe a bit too much lime? 1 cup cuft is a lot when you have the crab shell in there too. the azomite is a rock dust, i wouldn't think it would mess up the mix that much. but im not entirely sure of its exact mineral content off hand.

But honestly if you never hit them with the compost tea... i think that's the biggest problem going on, shortage of microbiology. otherwise, i think it would take a long time for the microbes in the EWC to totally colonize the soil. the sugar from the molasses will grow you a nice colony, and water those colonies in and you plant should respond well.

Aloe vera gel is a great thing to water at a rate of 2tbsp per gallon of water to help ease stress. coconut water at a rate of 1cup per 4 gallons of h20 for a quick enzyme tea. really perks up the ladies!
 
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