Economy Is Improving

dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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Read the news
It has been for over a year
Unemployment is under 400k new claims which is about normal during good times
Would of been that way for several months But State Goverments were laying off people
 
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Coals

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I beleive the government takes you off the unemployment list once your benefits run out. Which means the numbers are highly distorted. Its also important to understad that the vast majority of jobs being created are minimum wage service jobs that provide very little value to the economy.
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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Coals said:
I beleive the government takes you off the unemployment list once your benefits run out. Which means the numbers are highly distorted. Its also important to understad that the vast majority of jobs being created are minimum wage service jobs that provide very little value to the economy.
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Well Gee then

They were Distorted before 2008 also then
 
allmyne69

allmyne69

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The Republicans are willing to tank the economy in order to get President Obama out of the White House. It's so obvious that it is pathetic. I live in very small town in what I would call, a non progressive state. The local sheriff here recently switched Democrat to Republican simply because and I quote, "I'm a democrat but not a liberal. It's just that there is no way I'll be re elected if I don't go Republican. I know it's wrong but I know that I am a good sheriff and all I'm thinking about is the welfare of our county", to end quote. How sad. What is going on with our country? When did politics become so decisive? Oh, I know, when the Republicans became furious that America voted a black man into office and the middle class decided that Republicans were handing out "The Raw Deal" during the Great Recession instead of "The New Deal" during the Great Depression.
 
beardo

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allmyne69 said:
The Republicans are willing to tank the economy in order to get President Obama out of the White House. It's so obvious that it is pathetic. I live in very small town in what I would call, a non progressive state. The local sheriff here recently switched Democrat to Republican simply because and I quote, "I'm a democrat but not liberal. It's just that there is no way I'll be re elected if I don't go Republican. I know it's wrong but I know I'm a good sheriff and all I'm thinking about is the welfare of our county", to end quote. How sad. What is going on with our country? When did politics become so decisive? Oh, I know, when the Republicans became furious that America voted a black man into office and the middle class decided that Republicans were handing out "The Raw Deal" during the Great Recession instead of "The New Deal" during the Great Depression.
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maybe he switched so he could vote Ron Paul in the Republican primaries- he did say he cares about his country, right?
 
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NoDrama

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If the economy is recovering how come the unemployment rate isn't getting any better? BTW you need to ADD 125,000 jobs per month to stay at flat employment rates. If you lose even one job, you are losing and the economy doesn't get better when you are losing.
 
Charlie Ventura

Charlie Ventura

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allmyne69 said:
The Republicans are willing to tank the economy in order to get President Obama out of the White House. It's so obvious that it is pathetic. I live in very small town in what I would call, a non progressive state. The local sheriff here recently switched Democrat to Republican simply because and I quote, "I'm a democrat but not a liberal. It's just that there is no way I'll be re elected if I don't go Republican. I know it's wrong but I know that I am a good sheriff and all I'm thinking about is the welfare of our county", to end quote. How sad. What is going on with our country? When did politics become so decisive? Oh, I know, when the Republicans became furious that America voted a black man into office and the middle class decided that Republicans were handing out "The Raw Deal" during the Great Recession instead of "The New Deal" during the Great Depression.
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Why would anyone who is a moderate stay in the Democrat party? Its been taken over by ultra-leftist progressives. I mean, damn! Its no longer the party of my parents ... nor mine. Yeppers, my first vote went for JFK. As Reagan said: "I didn't leave the Democrat Party, it left me.
 
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NoDrama

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dukeanthony said:
Just as they always have
So the Metrics are the same as they were before
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LOL the BLS has changed the way they measure the statistics 28 times since Clinton was in office. The last time the Discouraged worker was part of the overall unemployment statistics was in 1994, which really isn't forever or always as you like to fallaciously point out. Look at U6 unemployment if you want the way it was done before Clinton. The way it was done in the depression, so you can actually compare them. "official" u6 unemployment is at 16%.
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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NoDrama said:
LOL the BLS has changed the way they measure the statistics 28 times since Clinton was in office. The last time the Discouraged worker was part of the overall unemployment statistics was in 1994, which really isn't forever or always as you like to fallaciously point out. Look at U6 unemployment if you want the way it was done before Clinton. The way it was done in the depression, so you can actually compare them. "official" u6 unemployment is at 16%.
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NOt talking about CLinton
What aBOUT THE 4.5% During Bush?
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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The Bureau of Labor Statistics measures employment and unemployment (of those over 16 years of age) using two different labor force surveys conducted by the United States Census Bureau (within the United States Department of Commerce) and/or the Bureau of Labor Statistics (within the United States Department of Labor) that gather employment statistics monthly. The Current Population Survey(CPS), or “Household Survey”, conducts a survey based on a sample of 60,000 households. This Survey measures the unemployment rate based on the ILO definition. The data are also used to calculate 5 alternate measures of unemployment as a percentage of the labor force based on different definitions noted as U1 through U6:

  • U1 : Percentage of labor force unemployed 15 weeks or longer.
  • U2 : Percentage of labor force who lost jobs or completed temporary work.
  • U3 : Official unemployment rate per ILO definition.
  • U4 : U3 + “discouraged workers”, or those who have stopped looking for work because current economic conditions make them believe that no work is available for them.
  • U5 : U4 + other “marginally attached workers”, or “loosely attached workers”, or those who “would like” and are able to work, but have not looked for work recently.
  • U6 : U5 + Part time workers who want to work full time, but cannot due to economic reasons.
Below is the overview of these six measures.
  • U1:
This is the proportion of the civilian labor force that has been unemployed for 15 weeks or longer. This unemployment rate measures workers who are chronically unemployed. During business-cycle expansions, this rate captures structural unemployment. However, during lengthy business-cycle contractions, this rate is also likely to include a significant amount of cyclical unemployment. U1 tends to be relatively small, in the range of 1-2 percent.
  • U2:
This is the proportion of the civilian labor force that is classified as job losers (workers who have been involuntarily fired or laid off from their jobs) and people who have completed temporary jobs. During business-cycle expansions, this rate is likely to capture some degree of frictional unemployment. However, during business-cycle contractions, this rate is most likely to consist of cyclical unemployment. U2 is larger than U1, but still remains substantially less than the official unemployment rate (U3).
  • U3:
This is the official unemployment rate, which is the proportion of the civilian labor force that is unemployed but actively seeking employment.
  • U4:
This is the official unemployment rate that is adjusted for discouraged workers. In other words, discouraged workers are treated just like other workers who are officially classified as unemployed, being included in both the ranks of the unemployed and the labor force. It is technically specified as the proportion of the civilian labor force (plus discouraged workers) that is either unemployed but actively seeking employment or discouraged workers. The addition of discouraged workers generally adds a few tenths of a percentage point to the official unemployment rate.
  • U5:
This augments U4 by including marginally-attached workers to the unemployment rate calculation. Marginally attached workers are potential workers who have given up seeking employment for various reasons. One of these reasons is that the workers believe such effort would be futile, which places them in the discouraged worker category. Those who have other reasons for not seeking employment are placed in the broader marginally-attached workers category. The addition of marginally-attached workers adds a few more tenths of a percentage point to the official unemployment rate.
  • U6:
This augments U5 by including part-time workers to the unemployment rate calculation. The addition of part-time workers adds a full 2-3 percentage points to the official unemployment rate. This measure of unemployment is perhaps the most comprehensive measure of labor resource unemployment available.
Who is counted as unemployed?
Persons are classified as unemployed if they do not have a job, have actively looked for work in the prior 4 weeks, and are currently available for work. Actively looking for work may consist of any of the following activities:
  • Contacting:
    • An employer directly or having a job interview
    • A public or private employment agency
    • Friends or relatives
    • A school or university employment center
  • Sending out resumes or filling out applications
  • Placing or answering advertisements
  • Checking union or professional registers
  • Some other means of active job search
Who is not in the labor force?
Labor force measures are based on the civilian noninstitutional population 16 years old and over. Excluded are persons under 16 years of age, all persons confined to institutions such as nursing homes and prisons, and persons on active duty in the Armed Forces. The labor force is made up of the employed and the unemployed. The remainder—those who have no job and are not looking for one—are counted as “not in the labor force.” Many who are not in the labor force are going to school or are retired. Family responsibilities keep others out of the labor force.
 
dukeanthony

dukeanthony

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While we are On the subject of alternate ways of COunting things

What was the stock market at Just Before Obama took Office

Whats it at now?
 
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