Edibles For Dummies.... POT MILK

parabear

Member
OK, so edible potency is directly related to the fat content. Thus regular milk is a poor candidate as a consumable marijuana product on its own, however it is easy to add much potential to milk by adding some Heavy cream to the milk, which contains 12x as much fat as whole milk! This allows pot milk to be made of sufficient potency, as to make it easier to consume for those who prefer to not smoke, or need constant pain relief. Whole milk has an average of about 3.5% fat, and heavy cream has about 38-40% on average. thus 100 grams of heavy cream can potentially absorb as much THC as about 1200 grams of whole milk. When using heavy cream, the milkfat %age is a moot issue as far as the milk is concerned, as in 1000 grams the difference between whole and 2% milk is only 15 grams of fat... which one ounce of heavy cream nearly contains. This is why heavy cream is a very nice enhancement to the milk. I generally try to make it no more than a 4:1 milk to cream ratio, generally I run around 5:1 or 6:1. The 6:1 ratio gives me a good result with about 6 oz of pot milk. the 4:1, 4 oz is a good dose, and the 5:1, you guessed it, 5 oz. a 1:1 ratio would be slimy and thick as hell (would still have about 18% total fat) and one ounce would be a potent dose (POT CREAM SHOTS ANYONE????). One can tailor the end product in accordance to their preferences, either using a 10:1 ratio (the minimum I would recommend... would take abut a 10 oz serving, I personally won't go under 6:1) When I make it, I make it in at least pint batches, but no more than a quart. I also use the an appropriate amount of weed to the total fat content.... or kief. For sakes of edibles, BOMB ass kief is about 4 times more potent than bud. For a pint, I will use about an eight of mid quality bud, or a quarter of decent shake. I genreally relegate my harsh smoking, or dried out buds for edibles. Here in LA, CA, many dispensaries are clearing out inventories, and there are some major deals to be had. I shopped around a few and picked up an OZ at each over a few days, paying no more than $120 an ounch, and it is all decent stuff, including some bomb ass master haze and Afgoo. Needless to say, after making a bunch of other concentrates, maximizing my results (the remnants from kief and bubble hash used to make oil via ethanol extraction which I use a refluxing heated setup to speed and maximize output) I have plenty to play around with for edibles. Anywho, now you are either lost and stoned, or understand the principles of my process....

I make pot milk like this....

Double boiler (better temp control)
2 cups WHOLE MILK
1/2 cup HEAVY (WHIPPING) CREAM (more or less depending on desired potency)
Appropriate amount of THC containing material (for this amount, I would use 1/8th relatively potent stuff... not one hit quiter...smoke that!!!!, 1 gram of good quality kief or hash would also work. Ethanol extracted hash oil, with natural distilled grain ethanol, can be used, but i have never personally tried it... I would not recommend using any good hash on this...)
pinch of salt.... I mean, just literally, like barely any... it helps prevent the 'filmy' mouth feeling
1.5 teaspoons potent/double strength vanilla extract... helps subdue the 'weed' taste... if using cheap (do not use immitation!!!!) extract, use 2 teaspoons
2 table spoons sugar... smooth out the product
cooking thermometer that can measure down to 130 degrees Fahrenheit
strianer (DO NOT USE A COFFEE FILTER!!!! small strainers can be found at the dollar store. If you used kief, don't worry about straining, as the strainer will not stop the kief. The milk will have a semi sweet taste, that will be smooth and creamy. It also can have hints of flavor of the buds you use. I would not recommend using skunky weed.... because like a dead body, you can't hide a skunk.... hashy strains give a bit of a spice flavor, like some of the tea the village elders served my unit when I was in Afghanistan. Fruity tasting strains give a bit of an herbal flavored tea kind of hint to it. Minty and piney strains impart minty and cool notes in the aftertaste. skunk weed smells, and gives it a huge dirt taste... well more like dirt mixed with ground up herbal supplements... its nasty with skunky weed... if the buds have a clean green flavor, the milk will taste like grass.... sweet grass.... The salt just helps break surface tension of the fats, thus eliminating that filmy mouth feeling, and allowing better taste. It also mellows peppery strains slightly. Sugar smooths the palate of the product. Vanilla helps to make it taste better. add sugar and vanilla (or other flavoring materials... chocolate could even be used to make chocolate milk!!!) near the end of the cooking process, though one could add chocolate (actual solid chocolate) earlier to boost the fat slightly... one could use the milk for just about anything, from making ice cream, to drinking it straight to using it on cereal. the possibilities are endless. Baking, cooking, it does it all.

Edibles are best consumed on an empty stomach. It is also very effective for those seking pain relief, relaxation, sleep, and other physical symptoms. On an empty stomach effects will start in about 15-60 minutes depeding on method consumed, with faster effects when consumed warm straight.

In double boiler, set up the boil pot, in saucepan place weed, milk cream, salt. Place in double boiler with thermometer inside. once mixture hits 130 degrees, stir slowly, and also reduce heat to medium. Watch the temp creep up towards 140 degrees, when it hits 140, turn to low, and slowly increase temp till you get to 140 and it remains stable.

Once at 140 and stable, stir every 5-10 minutes GENTLY (you don't want to churn it... then you have chunks) for at least 30 minutes up to an hour. If using bud make sure you break it up about as fine as you would for a joint. you do not want the temp to breach 150 degrees or remain in the upper 140s for more than a few minutes... once heated to 140, keep it above 125, and not under 135 for more than 2 minutes, unless done. 1/8th i find makes this amount about as potent as possible in about half an hour.
2 table spoons sugar
 

parabear

Member
yes, but some recipes don't call for butter, yet call for milk, cream or other ingredients... one could make a very nice medicated latte using this method... ;)

Try one made with cannabutter, and I am sure you would be kicking your own ass, if you can keep it down...
 

parabear

Member
i never knew that.. so in future add more butter to cookies?

Well more the potential is directly related, because as always, you will get out of it what you put into it...

Personally I use all my sugar leaf trim to make stuff like edibles, and hash. I usually use kief when I make the milk, just to keep the taste to more of an aromatic spice. Goes good with a little cinnamon, and some caramel mixed in ;)
 

PlantManBee

Well-Known Member
great recipe thanks! but i hate to burst your bubble about needing to use cream. whole milk works wonderfully ~ just as well as cream when used at the rate of an Ounce of weed to a quart of milk. I've done it many many many times LOL. i definitely would not go any lower in milkfat than whole milk.
 

parabear

Member
great recipe thanks! but i hate to burst your bubble about needing to use cream. whole milk works wonderfully ~ just as well as cream when used at the rate of an Ounce of weed to a quart of milk. I've done it many many many times LOL. i definitely would not go any lower in milkfat than whole milk.
I find adding cream increases potency dramatically, as well as reuces the absorption of the unwanted compounds due to less water presence. Yes whole milk alone is good, but at the ratio you use you may be wasting some... but hey, if you got it to do it, then hey, go for it.

I also use this to make some baked goods EXTRA strength ;) when you gotta use butter and milk in a recipe, you can add tons of extra THC goodness into every bite... or make a cream of chicken ;)
 

PlantManBee

Well-Known Member
I find adding cream increases potency dramatically, as well as reuces the absorption of the unwanted compounds due to less water presence. Yes whole milk alone is good, but at the ratio you use you may be wasting some... but hey, if you got it to do it, then hey, go for it.

I also use this to make some baked goods EXTRA strength ;) when you gotta use butter and milk in a recipe, you can add tons of extra THC goodness into every bite... or make a cream of chicken ;)
gonna plus rep you because this place is all about helping :hump: and the info is badass.... some people REALLY don't want to do more Fat than they have to.

I will add that with shake you can improve the flavor dramatically by pre simmering the weed in water to remove the water soluble nastiness.


THC and fat molecules have roughly the same weight and they stick together on a 1 to1 basis. so if you use a quart of milk (about thirty ounces) and an ounce of weed at, oh we'll say an incredible 25% thc by weight (not really even feasible) that is .25 oz THC. thirty ounces of milk at a rate of 1.5% fat gives us .45 oz. fat. it's still not saturated even at the highly inflated rate of 25% thc by weight plant material. If you want to use cream, by all means do so., it's nummy, but the fat will in fact be less saturated using cream.

i invite any real food chemists to chime in as my ballpark figures may seem less than scientific. :eyesmoke:
 

parabear

Member
gonna plus rep you because this place is all about helping :hump: and the info is badass.... some people REALLY don't want to do more Fat than they have to.

I will add that with shake you can improve the flavor dramatically by pre simmering the weed in water to remove the water soluble nastiness.


THC and fat molecules have roughly the same weight and they stick together on a 1 to1 basis. so if you use a quart of milk (about thirty ounces) and an ounce of weed at, oh we'll say an incredible 25% thc by weight (not really even feasible) that is .25 oz THC. thirty ounces of milk at a rate of 1.5% fat gives us .45 oz. fat. it's still not saturated even at the highly inflated rate of 25% thc by weight plant material. If you want to use cream, by all means do so., it's nummy, but the fat will in fact be less saturated using cream.

i invite any real food chemists to chime in as my ballpark figures may seem less than scientific. :eyesmoke:


Total approx fat content...

Whole milk ~3-3.5%, over 3.5% it is no longer legally called milk.
RAW milk ~ 5-8%, however, good luck finding this unless you have your own dairy cattle.
Butter-60-80% fat, depending on type, and what made from.
half and half ~ 16-20% is typical.
Cream (aka light cream) is about 24-28%
Whipping cream (AKA cream) is abut 26-30%
Heavy cream is up to 34% fat.

Scientifically speaking, you will have best absorption of THC with a much higher fat %. This will also allow much faster 'cooking out' of all the cannibinoids. Sure, a gallon of milk (right around 7.75 lbs) has a lot of total fat content looking at the whole gallon... however 12.8 oz of heavy cream has approx the same fat as the whole gallon of whole milk, as it is about 10x more concentrated (in terms of fat) as milk.

As far as dissolving the THC, the THC will absorb faster and more easily in an environment, that is higher in both total concentration of fats, but also one with greater fat volume. Remember with the milk, you are absorbing say 15% f the weight of the marijuana, to about 3% of the volume of the liquid. This is going to take longer, and not achieve optimum absorption (osmotic pressure will come into play here) as well as introduce more water soluble compounds. Optimally one would use kief, or some sort of other concentrate.

Either way you crunch the numbers, the higher fat environment will always become more concentrated, and do so faster. Imagine cooking up some wonderful pancakes, using cannbutter, and some THCream in the recipe, those hot cakes would be a real knock out!!!

Also, as I have mentioned, it also opens the avenue of cooking so much more than just stuff that requires butter, it also can be used to make ice cream, possibly even actual cheese (always wondered if cheese cultures would have an impact... imagine making some potent ass cannacheese!!!!) and a whole bunch of other possibilities.

Hell one of my favorites is to boost some milk with cream, make some THCream, and make some pudding out of that... shit will put you on your ass.

Also, i have never gotten the munchies from any kind of edible consumption of marijuana... something to look into....

oh, and I am an engineer and physicist... and yes my grow setup is rather overdone, possibly overcomplicated, but hey, I can manage feeding/watering from anywhere in the world, and can even checkout the individual plants, and correct certain problems... It started as a project, that I quickly realized the potential awesomeness of using it to grow pot, and well, it was refined in my closet. Hey, you are talking to the crazy 'mad scientist' from college... I am the guy who was always working on projects, always working on some sort of experiment... so yeah, I have way too much time on my hands lol.... Went to school after I got out of the army, and the VA caused a condition to worsen, so now I get paid 8k a month to sit at home and do nothing, while I figure out how to spend the money... lol... so far, it has only lead to me smoking lots of pot, growing lots of pot, and eating good when it comes time for the munchies.... I am seriously considering renting a warehouse and using it as a supply grow for many local dispensaries. My automated system makes cultivation much easier, and reduces manpower needs greatly. But hey that's another post altogether lol/
 

PlantManBee

Well-Known Member
HAHAHA it's all good mr. chemist~ i have seen sounds and locked myself in my room under the bed it can be so potent. and thrown the rest out in fear, only to want it back the next day. what ever regular milk will work spectacularly. :eyesmoke: as a matter of fact i've been referred to as the Milk Man by many many people because i'll come into town and go to the coffee shop and distribute it gratis. :eyesmoke:
 

parabear

Member
HAHAHA it's all good mr. chemist~ i have seen sounds and locked myself in my room under the bed it can be so potent. and thrown the rest out in fear, only to want it back the next day. what ever regular milk will work spectacularly. :eyesmoke: as a matter of fact i've been referred to as the Milk Man by many many people because i'll come into town and go to the coffee shop and distribute it gratis. :eyesmoke:
Well shit, come on down to my local coffee shop anytime you want... and I'll give you a sample of my medical grow, I bet it is the best PK you have ever had... smooth, an potent... frosted in trichs...

I also cycle my mothers rapidly, as I have found that too old a mother, you get slower growing clones, so after 3 to 4 clippings, it goes into flower with the clones, using a new clone (first/fastest/best rooted after a week) as the mother. Hell originating with one mother, I have isolated 3 phenotypes, one with big broad totally indica leaves, one showing more sativa like leaves, and one with a mix of the two. The bud looks/tastes/acts the same between the three, with the only difference being the specific shape of the leaves. One big reason to cycle the mothers, for root health... if growing in dirt or soil-less... in hydro it is not as much an issue.

Right now I am working on a little science experiment... using multiple grafts onto a pure sativa plant, to make one super mother covering 3 different strains entirely. One graft being a heavy Indica, the other being a nice balanced hybrid, and of course the Sativa host plant. The objective making a 3 strain grow out of a single mother to make the grow more compact, and require less total lighting/cooling. While the grafts would retain their own natural traits, they would be influenced by the increased growth rate of the sativa, thus receiving more nutrients than if it were using it's own root system. It would also end up looking like one crazy hell of a mother plant...
 

parabear

Member
HAHAHA it's all good mr. chemist~ i have seen sounds and locked myself in my room under the bed it can be so potent. and thrown the rest out in fear, only to want it back the next day. what ever regular milk will work spectacularly. :eyesmoke: as a matter of fact i've been referred to as the Milk Man by many many people because i'll come into town and go to the coffee shop and distribute it gratis. :eyesmoke:
Oh and I have already been so fucked that I was once in that conscious coma state lol... I could see, was aware, just could not do any fucking thing... couldn't move my arms or legs... could not talk, could barely move my eyes or blink... what felt like a week was a mere 6 hours... had no TV or music on or anything... almost felt like taking a double dose of marinol... but without AS much paranoia (hey I also spent 4 years overseas in combat... tried my first hash in Afghanistan... good stuff) but I don't get paranoia really... I seriously have no fear, and the only emotion I feel is anger (PTSD is grrrrrrreat!!! along with a VA that does nothing but make me worse...) but hey, those 6 hours, I will say, I was bored out of my mind, and the fact I was unable to do a thing was very annoying/frustrating....
 

ganja girl

New Member
Great recipe! Sounds delicious. Hmmm, can't wait to try it. Do you know how to make oil and how to use it?


OK, so edible potency is directly related to the fat content. Thus regular milk is a poor candidate as a consumable marijuana product on its own, however it is easy to add much potential to milk by adding some Heavy cream to the milk, which contains 12x as much fat as whole milk! This allows pot milk to be made of sufficient potency, as to make it easier to consume for those who prefer to not smoke, or need constant pain relief. Whole milk has an average of about 3.5% fat, and heavy cream has about 38-40% on average. thus 100 grams of heavy cream can potentially absorb as much THC as about 1200 grams of whole milk. When using heavy cream, the milkfat %age is a moot issue as far as the milk is concerned, as in 1000 grams the difference between whole and 2% milk is only 15 grams of fat... which one ounce of heavy cream nearly contains. This is why heavy cream is a very nice enhancement to the milk. I generally try to make it no more than a 4:1 milk to cream ratio, generally I run around 5:1 or 6:1. The 6:1 ratio gives me a good result with about 6 oz of pot milk. the 4:1, 4 oz is a good dose, and the 5:1, you guessed it, 5 oz. a 1:1 ratio would be slimy and thick as hell (would still have about 18% total fat) and one ounce would be a potent dose (POT CREAM SHOTS ANYONE????). One can tailor the end product in accordance to their preferences, either using a 10:1 ratio (the minimum I would recommend... would take abut a 10 oz serving, I personally won't go under 6:1) When I make it, I make it in at least pint batches, but no more than a quart. I also use the an appropriate amount of weed to the total fat content.... or kief. For sakes of edibles, BOMB ass kief is about 4 times more potent than bud. For a pint, I will use about an eight of mid quality bud, or a quarter of decent shake. I genreally relegate my harsh smoking, or dried out buds for edibles. Here in LA, CA, many dispensaries are clearing out inventories, and there are some major deals to be had. I shopped around a few and picked up an OZ at each over a few days, paying no more than $120 an ounch, and it is all decent stuff, including some bomb ass master haze and Afgoo. Needless to say, after making a bunch of other concentrates, maximizing my results (the remnants from kief and bubble hash used to make oil via ethanol extraction which I use a refluxing heated setup to speed and maximize output) I have plenty to play around with for edibles. Anywho, now you are either lost and stoned, or understand the principles of my process....

I make pot milk like this....

Double boiler (better temp control)
2 cups WHOLE MILK
1/2 cup HEAVY (WHIPPING) CREAM (more or less depending on desired potency)
Appropriate amount of THC containing material (for this amount, I would use 1/8th relatively potent stuff... not one hit quiter...smoke that!!!!, 1 gram of good quality kief or hash would also work. Ethanol extracted hash oil, with natural distilled grain ethanol, can be used, but i have never personally tried it... I would not recommend using any good hash on this...)
pinch of salt.... I mean, just literally, like barely any... it helps prevent the 'filmy' mouth feeling
1.5 teaspoons potent/double strength vanilla extract... helps subdue the 'weed' taste... if using cheap (do not use immitation!!!!) extract, use 2 teaspoons
2 table spoons sugar... smooth out the product
cooking thermometer that can measure down to 130 degrees Fahrenheit
strianer (DO NOT USE A COFFEE FILTER!!!! small strainers can be found at the dollar store. If you used kief, don't worry about straining, as the strainer will not stop the kief. The milk will have a semi sweet taste, that will be smooth and creamy. It also can have hints of flavor of the buds you use. I would not recommend using skunky weed.... because like a dead body, you can't hide a skunk.... hashy strains give a bit of a spice flavor, like some of the tea the village elders served my unit when I was in Afghanistan. Fruity tasting strains give a bit of an herbal flavored tea kind of hint to it. Minty and piney strains impart minty and cool notes in the aftertaste. skunk weed smells, and gives it a huge dirt taste... well more like dirt mixed with ground up herbal supplements... its nasty with skunky weed... if the buds have a clean green flavor, the milk will taste like grass.... sweet grass.... The salt just helps break surface tension of the fats, thus eliminating that filmy mouth feeling, and allowing better taste. It also mellows peppery strains slightly. Sugar smooths the palate of the product. Vanilla helps to make it taste better. add sugar and vanilla (or other flavoring materials... chocolate could even be used to make chocolate milk!!!) near the end of the cooking process, though one could add chocolate (actual solid chocolate) earlier to boost the fat slightly... one could use the milk for just about anything, from making ice cream, to drinking it straight to using it on cereal. the possibilities are endless. Baking, cooking, it does it all.

Edibles are best consumed on an empty stomach. It is also very effective for those seking pain relief, relaxation, sleep, and other physical symptoms. On an empty stomach effects will start in about 15-60 minutes depeding on method consumed, with faster effects when consumed warm straight.

In double boiler, set up the boil pot, in saucepan place weed, milk cream, salt. Place in double boiler with thermometer inside. once mixture hits 130 degrees, stir slowly, and also reduce heat to medium. Watch the temp creep up towards 140 degrees, when it hits 140, turn to low, and slowly increase temp till you get to 140 and it remains stable.

Once at 140 and stable, stir every 5-10 minutes GENTLY (you don't want to churn it... then you have chunks) for at least 30 minutes up to an hour. If using bud make sure you break it up about as fine as you would for a joint. you do not want the temp to breach 150 degrees or remain in the upper 140s for more than a few minutes... once heated to 140, keep it above 125, and not under 135 for more than 2 minutes, unless done. 1/8th i find makes this amount about as potent as possible in about half an hour.
2 table spoons sugar
 

parabear

Member
Great recipe! Sounds delicious. Hmmm, can't wait to try it. Do you know how to make oil and how to use it?
Talking like cooking oil, simmer, strain and press. do not over heat. Infact it would be best to slow simmer the oil in a double boiler with the bud in the oil. Let it go for a few hours at a good WARM temp (say ~150) to ensure maximum uptake. You would use it like you would oil in any other recipe... though butter is a tad more versatile, and is prepped at about 140 degrees max, and you don't want to leave it mixed too long either. When making butter I prefer to use at least kif as the material, if not hash, because it mixes in quicker, and has less leafy taste to it.
 

ganja girl

New Member
Thanks, I'll give it a try.

Talking like cooking oil, simmer, strain and press. do not over heat. Infact it would be best to slow simmer the oil in a double boiler with the bud in the oil. Let it go for a few hours at a good WARM temp (say ~150) to ensure maximum uptake. You would use it like you would oil in any other recipe... though butter is a tad more versatile, and is prepped at about 140 degrees max, and you don't want to leave it mixed too long either. When making butter I prefer to use at least kif as the material, if not hash, because it mixes in quicker, and has less leafy taste to it.
 

poplars

Well-Known Member
well I've made my own variant of cannabis milk (I call it bhang after the indian concoction.)

https://www.rollitup.org/cooking-cannabis/360725-bhang-stove-top.html

basically the point here is that you don't have to use heavy whipping cream or anything like that.

if you do the math, 2% milk has 5 grams of fat per cup. say you're using 11 grams of bud like I did, that bud is only going to have 18-20% cannabinoids max, so you assume that you're only getting 2.1 grams of pure cannabinoids, 2:5 is a great ratio for fat therefore the 2% fat milk will absorb all the cannabinoids you need to get hella fuckin high.
 
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