Electrical Ques. If I can help someone I will...
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rangman983
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how bout a simple way of bypassing the ignitor in my hps ballast to run mh? i got from the ballast red, blue, and black wires.
From the ignitor, red, white, and blue.
And from the socket is white and black.
Anybody no of how i could bypass it?
From the ignitor, red, white, and blue.
And from the socket is white and black.
Anybody no of how i could bypass it?
pobamela
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Help me in this...
It's quite simple...https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/104801-wiring-easy-help.html
It's quite simple...https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/104801-wiring-easy-help.html
powerplant
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wasub,
i bought a 400 watt HPS lighting system, lamp, ballast, reflector and all.
the problem is that where i bought it from the Nominal Voltage is 220 and the Frequency of Current is 50.
I want to take this system with me to canada where the Nominal Voltage is 120/240 and the Frequency of Current is 60, i was wondering if its gonna work or if i need an Inverter or some type of adapter. and how i can make it work...
thanks
current
i bought a 400 watt HPS lighting system, lamp, ballast, reflector and all.
the problem is that where i bought it from the Nominal Voltage is 220 and the Frequency of Current is 50.
I want to take this system with me to canada where the Nominal Voltage is 120/240 and the Frequency of Current is 60, i was wondering if its gonna work or if i need an Inverter or some type of adapter. and how i can make it work...
thanks
current
CustomHydro
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I think it will work fine. Run it off the 240volt. I stress the word think!
I don't have a clue about frequency. so... that may or may not be an issue.
As far as the voltage goes though, u should be fine...
I don't have a clue about frequency. so... that may or may not be an issue.
As far as the voltage goes though, u should be fine...
powerplant
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respects.....
mebesideme
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I am in the electrical field for my day job as well, just wanted to chime in on this. I don't think you can use your ballast in Canada my friend. I know of several countries where the voltage standard is 220 and that is just one phase of power. The actual voltage in the services there is called 230/400.
Your ballast is a 120/240 ballast, meaning that you can plug in for single phase use in a standard 120v outlet. OR, you can get a different plug end and cord that has two hots and uses 240 volts between the two phases.
So, if you try plugging the ballast in on a single phase or a two phase receptacle, it will not receive a high enough voltage to operate correctly.
ganjagoddess
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Dude you are so wrong...
220-240v is essentially the same thing, the are both dipole.
And You cant just change plug ends and presto things are all good...
You say you work in the electrical field.... no offense but I hope you dont actually have to do the work...
220-240v is essentially the same thing, the are both dipole.
And You cant just change plug ends and presto things are all good...
You say you work in the electrical field.... no offense but I hope you dont actually have to do the work...
mebesideme
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What is "dipole"? I have been told by many people that the plugs in europe use one hot and one neutral, I may be wrong though. And I might add, insulting someone is not usually a way to continue intelligent conversation. Just saying you thought I was wrong would have sufficed. Also, the CORRECT voltage in most of Europe traditionally is called 230 volt, and in my post above I accidentally put 220/400 instead of 230/400.
powerplant
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Hey man, thanks for your information, can you make it clear for me? what do i have to do to make this work?
powerplant
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by the way, it says 230V-50HZ on the ballast.
mebesideme
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I have been studying through a couple of books. 230/400 IS the commercial standard of Europe that is found on a three phase system there. Also, read this:
WikiAnswers - What is the standard European household voltage and ampreage
It states that the voltage of 230 is found between one hot phase and one neutral phase or a ground, indicating that a single leg or phase of power for a 220 or 230 volt European device uses a neutral to complete the phase wave. It also says it is very uncommon to see a "2" phase system at a residence there, unless it has been split to "120/220" single phase for tourists.
to get 240 volts in America or Canada, you must check between two different 120 volt phases of power. Testing between one hot and one neutral or ground derives the standard single phase voltage, 120.
In conclusion, I was correct, you cannot plug your 230 volt ballast into anything but a European to American type power converter in Canada.
WikiAnswers - What is the standard European household voltage and ampreage
It states that the voltage of 230 is found between one hot phase and one neutral phase or a ground, indicating that a single leg or phase of power for a 220 or 230 volt European device uses a neutral to complete the phase wave. It also says it is very uncommon to see a "2" phase system at a residence there, unless it has been split to "120/220" single phase for tourists.
to get 240 volts in America or Canada, you must check between two different 120 volt phases of power. Testing between one hot and one neutral or ground derives the standard single phase voltage, 120.
In conclusion, I was correct, you cannot plug your 230 volt ballast into anything but a European to American type power converter in Canada.
BigBudBalls
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Just hit up Light bulbs, Rope Lights, Halogen and Fluorescent bulb - 1000-Bulbs - The Light Bulb Superstore and get a new ballast for the unit. They sell multitap ballast. Just open up what you got, replace with a new 120/60Hz ballast and go. Reuse your box/cables etc. Will probably have to change to a north american plug for the wall end too.
(your ballast might already be a multitap. Take a peek)
This isn't a digital, is it?
wtf? people, if you don't know what you're talking about, don't try to give electrical advice.
does anyone here know what 1 and 3 phase really is? I have never heard of 2 phase being delivered to a building. it wouldn't make sense, it's the nature of the beast to need the 3rd phase to make it useful. I've also never heard of 3 phase for residential use. this is not something you need to worry about, ever. all homes are always 1 phase, and this has nothing to do with voltage.
frequency.. a lot of times things are designed to be used on either 50hz or 60hz. there isn't much of a difference. if anything, the ballast might perform better with the higher frequency current.
if the ballast is rated for 220 volts, you CAN use it on a 220 volt source. the country you're in doesn't matter, the voltage does. the difference is we usually have 220 with a center neutral wire and 2 hots on either side. your ballast would just be hooked up with one of the hots as a neutral and the other hot as a hot, and probably a ground. the other neutral wire from your power source wouldn't be used. anyone think I'm wrong?
does anyone here know what 1 and 3 phase really is? I have never heard of 2 phase being delivered to a building. it wouldn't make sense, it's the nature of the beast to need the 3rd phase to make it useful. I've also never heard of 3 phase for residential use. this is not something you need to worry about, ever. all homes are always 1 phase, and this has nothing to do with voltage.
frequency.. a lot of times things are designed to be used on either 50hz or 60hz. there isn't much of a difference. if anything, the ballast might perform better with the higher frequency current.
if the ballast is rated for 220 volts, you CAN use it on a 220 volt source. the country you're in doesn't matter, the voltage does. the difference is we usually have 220 with a center neutral wire and 2 hots on either side. your ballast would just be hooked up with one of the hots as a neutral and the other hot as a hot, and probably a ground. the other neutral wire from your power source wouldn't be used. anyone think I'm wrong?
mebesideme
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I do, actually. In America, we get a wire from the city's power grid that carries a neutral and two hot phases. The colors are black, red, and white. It is called single phase 120/240. It actually has 2 different AC phases. This allows us to run appliances from our houses that use either: 1 phase of power(120v) and one neutral or 2 phases of power(240v) and no neutral. It is called single phase because the degree of separation of the vectors of the phases is zero; so, we can simply add together the indivudal voltages and get 240. The neutral wire is attached to both transformers for the other wires and thus allows you to use it and either of the phases individually to get 120 volts. I am leaving out more complicated explanations here about the neutral and it correlation with the hot phases because it simply isn't relevant. In Europe, you simply have one true phase of 230 volts and one neutral going in, and thus you can't get the 230 to split without a transformer.
that's a slight missunderstanding. that's not what 2 phase is. the white wire is your neutral, and the black and red are your hot wires, but it's still single phase. one hot wire has the exact opposite ac phase of the other, but still the same. 3 phase is actually 3 seperate ac wave forms, each off-set by 1/3 of a wave. this is 3 phase
Three-phase electric power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
BigBudBalls
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I feel fine giving out advice.
3 phase = 3 hot wires (we'll say 277VAC). Each one 120 degrees out of phase. A measurement between any two phases should be 480VAC on a 277 per phase.
Math would be (VoltagePerPhase x 2)- (.5 * phase difference)
So (277*2) - (.5 * 30%) = 470.9
Any phase to ground/neutral will be 277 in a Wye system. On a delta things can be rather odd. Wild leg, or grounded leg Deltas are uncommon but still used in the states.
I the US/Canada 220 is made with 2 phases (they just don't call it 2 phase) Its 2 120 VAC 180 degrees out. Math makes it 240VAC
In EURPOE the 230VAC is a single phase One 230VAC line and neutral/ground.
Probably work. But if the neutral leg into the primary coil is tied to any grounding, core, case, etc) it would have to be removed.
And if the igniter or cap are wired leg to ground they are getting only 1/2 voltage.
mebesideme
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Wow, everything I have said has been repeated. It WON'T work. Get a new ballast like dude above said.
BigBudBalls
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It IS what 2 phase is. BUT, the 120/240 in the us is 2 120 legs . phases, but 1/2 wave out.
for US 220/240
When leg A is at +120 leg B is at -120
You are showing us 3 phase below.
for US 220/240
When leg A is at +120 leg B is at -120
You are showing us 3 phase below.
that's a slight missunderstanding. that's not what 2 phase is. the white wire is your neutral, and the black and red are your hot wires, but it's still single phase. one hot wire has the exact opposite ac phase of the other, but still the same. 3 phase is actually 3 seperate ac wave forms, each off-set by 1/3 of a wave. this is 3 phase
Three-phase electric power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mebesideme
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The graph you have shown is not relevant to the conversation. Three phase is 120/208 power. In these systems, if you test between two of the phases you get 208 volts. See my previous post for info about "single" phase systems in the US versus Europe.that's a slight missunderstanding. that's not what 2 phase is. the white wire is your neutral, and the black and red are your hot wires, but it's still single phase. one hot wire has the exact opposite ac phase of the other, but still the same. 3 phase is actually 3 seperate ac wave forms, each off-set by 1/3 of a wave. this is 3 phase
Three-phase electric power - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia