England tells Trump to go feck your self, and go home

schuylaar

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I’m torn on this... Pense is a bad actor and the theocrat in him worries me but he lacks the charisma Trump has... he’s boring- I think but am not sure he wouldn’t be the international embarrassment trump is cuz he wouldn’t be able to gin up the same wild shit-he’s a boring guy... would it be easier to to dismantle Trumpism with him at the helm? Or worse because he knows govt more and could be more effective w the Trumpism agenda by not making all the drama- I honestly don’t know...
pence always scrunches his face and looks constipated when asked a question.






 
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Huckster79

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It's all and well and good to talk about. BUT, I just can't see how letting Republicans trample on civil rights in this country for another two more years would be chosen as the better course by those who would be most affected. If it were your sister who was threatened by deportation would you be so blithe about it?

If Democrats fail to take the House in the mid-terms, it would be a disaster for this country. Just saying, two more years of kleptocratic rule by Trump's GOP will do irreversible harm to the country and its people. Let's worry about 2020 when we get there.
I dont disagree.. im torn. Your points are valid... my moral dilemma is if taking em both back gives Trump a better chance to win re-election which ones worse...?

If we get congess but end up keeping him, can we maintain control for 6 years fighting his admin continually and can only try to hold ground? Is that worse than trying to survive two more and have likely full control to fix and then once again advance things?

Im not sure we make it 2 more with full gop control possibly... and im unsure on our prognosis if we have congess and he stays prez 6 more..

At end of day im gunna fight like hell to win...
 
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Huckster79

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Fact of the matter is our nation has probably never been at risk like this, for its very survival as the America we knew save for the civil war era and the nuke standoff with Russia... these are uncharted waters... nothing about this is normal or okay not one goddamned thing
 

ttystikk

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Flipping the House is the objective. Taking the Senate? I keep forgetting how bad with math you are.

I don't know, tty

Instead of imagining what can't happen this year, how about something simple.

Such as, maybe why don't you imagine having a super power?
Ah, so being insulting is how you say it's a long shot?

I didn't say it would be easy, I said it would be necessary to stop the adminstration agenda.

You are once again putting up a strawman and then using it as an excuse to be immature.

Intolerant Liberal.
 

ttystikk

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I dont disagree.. im torn. Your points are valid... my moral dilemma is if taking em both back gives Trump a better chance to win re-election which ones worse...?

If we get congess but end up keeping him, can we maintain control for 6 years fighting his admin continually and can only try to hold ground? Is that worse than trying to survive two more and have likely full control to fix and then once again advance things?

Im not sure we make it 2 more with full gop control possibly... and im unsure on our prognosis if we have congess and he stays prez 6 more..

At end of day im gunna fight like hell to win...
Average Americans have been 'trying to hold our ground'- and actually losing ground instead for almost 40 years.

At what point is it time to say that maybe the strategy isn't working?
 

ttystikk

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Fact of the matter is our nation has probably never been at risk like this, for its very survival as the America we knew save for the civil war era and the nuke standoff with Russia... these are uncharted waters... nothing about this is normal or okay not one goddamned thing
The good news is that millions of Americans agree with us and are getting involved like hasn't been seen in this country since MLK's time.

It won't happen by itself but there is good reason for hope. Folks have finally woken up to the fact that America doesn't govern itself on autopilot.
 

schuylaar

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I dont disagree.. im torn. Your points are valid... my moral dilemma is if taking em both back gives Trump a better chance to win re-election which ones worse...?

If we get congess but end up keeping him, can we maintain control for 6 years fighting his admin continually and can only try to hold ground? Is that worse than trying to survive two more and have likely full control to fix and then once again advance things?

Im not sure we make it 2 more with full gop control possibly... and im unsure on our prognosis if we have congess and he stays prez 6 more..

At end of day im gunna fight like hell to win...
he won't win. people will vote next time as long as Hillary isn't on the ballot..choice is what was required..there was a long line of white sheeple including myself..the message was sent now lets see if the dnc gets it.

they're lying about his approval rating..his rallys are in high school gyms now with curtains and tight angles to give an appearance of thousands when it's only hundreds.

he has meetings with thug dictators privately so we don't know what's being said..why? because the only version we get to hear will be his.

this is the equivalent of a privately run company (no annual report required) putin is a 'competitor' (his word)- it's NOT, he works for us and is accountable to us whether he takes salary or not.
 
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schuylaar

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Fact of the matter is our nation has probably never been at risk like this, for its very survival as the America we knew save for the civil war era and the nuke standoff with Russia... these are uncharted waters... nothing about this is normal or okay not one goddamned thing
you're right but the first to push the button knows that this is the end. none of these thug countries wish to die and upset their money making capabilities..trust it.

NK is all about survival as is everyone else.
 

dannyboy602

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I read this morning that Prince Harry and William, or was it Charles snubbed Trump and refused to meet him scheduling other charity events during their visit. Except Harry who just stayed home playing video games.
Knowing Trumps pathology I bet the royals have a hard time with TSA on their next visit. Maybe they'll be refused entry all together.
 

schuylaar

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I read this morning that Prince Harry and William, or was it Charles snubbed Trump and refused to meet him scheduling other charity events during their visit. Except Harry who just stayed home playing video games.
Knowing Trumps pathology I bet the royals have a hard time with TSA on their next visit. Maybe they'll be refused entry all together.
they all did.

actually the winner of the royal short straw was duke and duchess of marlborough who had to meet with him (or who was scheduled to)..and google says that is:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/11168207/Former-drug-addict-and-ex-convict-Jamie-Blandford-becomes-12th-Duke-of-Marlborough-after-father-dies.html
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

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I read this morning that Prince Harry and William, or was it Charles snubbed Trump and refused to meet him scheduling other charity events during their visit. Except Harry who just stayed home playing video games.
Knowing Trumps pathology I bet the royals have a hard time with TSA on their next visit. Maybe they'll be refused entry all together.
why would they come here?
 

Fogdog

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Ah, so being insulting is how you say it's a long shot?

I didn't say it would be easy, I said it would be necessary to stop the adminstration agenda.

You are once again putting up a strawman and then using it as an excuse to be immature.

Intolerant Liberal.
As usual a fact free reply from tty.

Expectation that both houses can be flipped this November is baseless. The House of Reps, sure. The Senate? Not a reasonable expectation. Take a look at the numbers. Democrats are just trying to hold on in the Senate.
 

Jimdamick

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Flipping the House is the objective. Taking the Senate?
Why not?
There are 8 Senate seats held by Republicans and that are up for re-election in November.
All we need is 2 seats to flip the Senate.
I think Cruz is weak competing against O'Rourke, and Heller from Nevada also faces Titus.
Thursday on "Nevada Newsmakers," they cited Nevada voter registration numbers that favor Democrats

Republicans
Barrasso, John (R-WY)
Corker, Bob (R-TN)
Cruz, Ted (R-TX)
Fischer, Deb (R-NE)
Flake, Jeff (R-AZ)
Hatch, Orrin G. (R-UT)
Heller, Dean (R-NV)
Wicker, Roger F. (R-MS)

Independents
King, Angus S., Jr. (I-ME)
Sanders, Bernard (I-VT)

So, the Senate is up for grabs also

All we can do is pray
 

travisw

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Why not?
There are 8 Senate seats held by Republicans and that are up for re-election in November.
All we need is 2 seats to flip the Senate.
I think Cruz is weak competing against O'Rourke, and Heller from Nevada also faces Titus.
Thursday on "Nevada Newsmakers," they cited Nevada voter registration numbers that favor Democrats

Republicans
Barrasso, John (R-WY)
Corker, Bob (R-TN)
Cruz, Ted (R-TX)
Fischer, Deb (R-NE)
Flake, Jeff (R-AZ)
Hatch, Orrin G. (R-UT)
Heller, Dean (R-NV)
Wicker, Roger F. (R-MS)

Independents
King, Angus S., Jr. (I-ME)
Sanders, Bernard (I-VT)

So, the Senate is up for grabs also

All we can do is pray
Unfortunately, we don't just need to flip 2. We need to defend, what, 26 seats while they defend 9?

I agree we have a good chance in Nevada. In my estimation Texas is still something of a white whale for our party but I remain hopeful. I'm keeping my fingers crossed for Beto, but I think our real chances are in Arizona. We might even get lucky in Tennessee.

According to everything I've seen though, Sens. Heidi Heitkamp of North Dakota, Bill Nelson of Florida, Joe Donnelly of Indiana, Claire McCaskill of Missouri, and Manchin in W. Virginia are in trouble.

Unfortunately, I don't think prayer is going to get it done for us.
 
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