epic failure..?

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jonjon777

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So the hypes died down, I purchased a very nice setup for a very reasonable price off an old friend. I'm not a professional but I like to think I know my shit, or at least I thought. Anyways, these girls won't grow! I just transplanted several into new medium. Thinking that maybe the nutes are locked out... I mean, they look fairly good, but lack size, the biggest is 31 days old ands a 4" bush, so I moved my lights up in hope to create some type of stretch. Yes, I'm feeding. FF trio half doses every other. I have them 18" under 600 HP's 24/0, I even began co2!???

Should I buy some patience? What else can I do, what could be the cause?

Thanks!
 
mofucka

mofucka

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jonjon777 said:
So the hypes died down, I purchased a very nice setup for a very reasonable price off an old friend. I'm not a professional but I like to think I know my shit, or at least I thought. Anyways, these girls won't grow! I just transplanted several into new medium. Thinking that maybe the nutes are locked out... I mean, they look fairly good, but lack size, the biggest is 31 days old ands a 4" bush, so I moved my lights up in hope to create some type of stretch. Yes, I'm feeding. FF trio half doses every other. I have them 18" under 600 HP's 24/0, I even began co2!???

Should I buy some patience? What else can I do, what could be the cause?

Thanks!
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Got any pics?
would help seeing what's going on in there
Maybe being under an hps for veg could pose a probablems but I wouldn't see that as something making such an impact
 
ghb

ghb

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give them some darkness and they will literally take off over night. plants stretch at night and seeing as the plant is not getting the chance to sleep it is not "stretching".

switch them to 18/6 and they will appear to grow faster but a lot of that growth is stem, growing on 24/0 will allow the plant to grow more nodes and branches which is what we want in the vegetative stage. i prefer to veg on 24/0 if i can handle temps.

also a large pot for a small plant will mean the plant spends more time developing roots before it appears to grow above ground.

i know it has been 31 days of pretty much nothing but they are getting to the point where they will take off
 
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jonjon777

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I hope so because I'm beginning to lose faith, the bigger one seems decent at best.

Feeding because everyone I know said not to is bs. I'm using a moss perlir verm mix, it contains no nutes. Which I believe could be my problem?

Room is a work in progress, I have a 10x10, two in lines, 3600 watts, 50lbs co2, the works! I figured if I was going to do it I was going to do it right, but it's proving to be more difficult than I thought, its a sno white nirvana strain.I just move them from solo cups. Now this fox farm started at 1/4 dose, attempting to move up but the ppm and ec are just way too high, I don't feel comfortableduring cell any suggestions?
 
TheChemist77

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could just be bad genetics, i have 2 northern lights #5 from bcsc that are 2 months old under 20/4 light conditions are perfect, they are 5 inches tall and no branches are long enough to clone yet, 7th set of nodes..never had a plant grow this slow before and both of them are identical..im guessing its bad genetics cause all my other plants are growing perfectly around them, wierd as the seeds popped in 24 hrs and were up in 2 days, then took a month just to get first true leaves, now 2 months and still to small to clone, i dont even know if they are male or female yet,,,,bad seeds or genetics? im in rock wool though.. have pics of them in my journal..
https://www.rollitup.org/t/chemist77-pic-journal.850252/page-5
 
ghb

ghb

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jonjon777 said:
I hope so because I'm beginning to lose faith, the bigger one seems decent at best.

Feeding because everyone I know said not to is bs. I'm using a moss perlir verm mix, it contains no nutes. Which I believe could be my problem?

Room is a work in progress, I have a 10x10, two in lines, 3600 watts, 50lbs co2, the works! I figured if I was going to do it I was going to do it right, but it's proving to be more difficult than I thought, its a sno white nirvana strain.I just move them from solo cups. Now this fox farm started at 1/4 dose, attempting to move up but the ppm and ec are just way too high, I don't feel comfortableduring cell any suggestions?
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it sounds like you have put a lot of effort in to your room but not as much in researching decent strains or grow mediums.

the fox farm line is to be used with fox farm soils and will be less than optimal used in anything else.

i have smoked but never grown nirvana strains so my exp is limited but based on what i have seen on here and what i have smoked in real life nirvana is a piss poor seed bank and you will be very lucky to get any keepers out of their packs. i would pick a u.s based breeder or better yet these guys who also ship to the u.s: www.breedersboutique.com

all the breeders are active members on this site, very helpful people who will do their best to answer any questions you have. they have access to some killer genetics and the prices are the lowest i have seen. i have grown a few of their strains and was so impressed i decided to order the whole catalogue in the hopes to find some really interesting specimens.
 
mofucka

mofucka

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jonjon777 said:
I hope so because I'm beginning to lose faith, the bigger one seems decent at best.

Feeding because everyone I know said not to is bs. I'm using a moss perlir verm mix, it contains no nutes. Which I believe could be my problem?

Room is a work in progress, I have a 10x10, two in lines, 3600 watts, 50lbs co2, the works! I figured if I was going to do it I was going to do it right, but it's proving to be more difficult than I thought, its a sno white nirvana strain.I just move them from solo cups. Now this fox farm started at 1/4 dose, attempting to move up but the ppm and ec are just way too high, I don't feel comfortableduring cell any suggestions?
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I run perlite vermiculite
And I for the first few weeks I use like 16th strangth but then when there little they don't need much. If you were in soil then you wouldn't want to feed anything yet . But in soilless you need a small amount once the cyots drop
TheChemist77 said:
could just be bad genetics, i have 2 northern lights #5 from bcsc that are 2 months old under 20/4 light conditions are perfect, they are 5 inches tall and no branches are long enough to clone yet, 7th set of nodes..never had a plant grow this slow before and both of them are identical..im guessing its bad genetics cause all my other plants are growing perfectly around them, wierd as the seeds popped in 24 hrs and were up in 2 days, then took a month just to get first true leaves, now 2 months and still to small to clone, i dont even know if they are male or female yet,,,,bad seeds or genetics? im in rock wool though.. have pics of them in my journal..
https://www.rollitup.org/t/chemist77-pic-journal.850252/page-5
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And bad genetics could deffinitly be the case
 
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jonjon777

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TheChemist77 said:
could just be bad genetics, i have 2 northern lights #5 from bcsc that are 2 months old under 20/4 light conditions are perfect, they are 5 inches tall and no branches are long enough to clone yet, 7th set of nodes..never had a plant grow this slow before and both of them are identical..im guessing its bad genetics cause all my other plants are growing perfectly around them, wierd as the seeds popped in 24 hrs and were up in 2 days, then took a month just to get first true leaves, now 2 months and still to small to clone, i dont even know if they are male or female yet,,,,bad seeds or genetics? im in rock wool though.. have pics of them in my journal..
https://www.rollitup.org/t/chemist77-pic-journal.850252/page-5
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Wow man, I looked at your pics, either way I'm jeleous, that's what I want, I spent a lot of money and time with no luck... Yet... I will figure it out. Worse case I'll veg for 5 years lol
 
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jonjon777

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Nirvana gets a bad rep but I know people who use it with success...

Tell me what you know about fox farms, I'm using a soiless mix

It has to be the nutes... Or genetics, but my gut says the nutes! Something I'm doing wrong, something?
 
mofucka

mofucka

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jonjon777 said:
Nirvana gets a bad rep but I know people who use it with success...

Tell me what you know about fox farms, I'm using a soiless mix

It has to be the nutes... Or genetics, but my gut says the nutes! Something I'm doing wrong, something?
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I'm going with nutes also leaves look kinda leathery to me
 
ghb

ghb

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never used fox farms, never will. but i do know they are designed to be used in SOIL.

soil has a lot of active elements in it that become depleted over time, some quicker than others, your soilless mix contains none of these elements whatsoever.

the liquid nutes are designed to supplement what the company thinks will be missing from the soil so will be mixed at a ratio to meet the needs of a plant in soil and not strong enough in other elements that a plant in a soilless mix will need.

i know lots of people who rate nirvana strains too but i'm just a weed snob these days :P i would only buy seeds from one european breeder and i mentioned them above.
 
TheChemist77

TheChemist77

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jonjon777 said:
Wow man, I looked at your pics, either way I'm jeleous, that's what I want, I spent a lot of money and time with no luck... Yet... I will figure it out. Worse case I'll veg for 5 years lol
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ive actually had some great plants from nirvana, the old misty was one of the best plants ive ever grown but they no longer offer it, i grew blue mystic last year, it was a good producer, a bit leafy but great bud, coated in trycs, also their ak48 looks promising..personally id switch to general hydroponics maxi/grow n bloom, very cheap nutes and are awsome..did tests were they clearly defeated many higher priced nutes..but id also go hydro, faster growth, less chance of mold and pest problems..but u can build a cheap eazy system w/ 5 gal buckets/lids or even a flood n drain table w totes..
 
mofucka

mofucka

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jonjon777 said:
I'm assembling bubble buckets as we speak.

What's your suggestions,

Go to 18/6.

Switch nutes

Try different seed bank

I'll do all three! I'm determined.
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Do all three
And read up ! As much as you can even if it don't apply to you it's just good to know as much as possible
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
ghb said:
never used fox farms, never will. but i do know they are designed to be used in SOIL.

soil has a lot of active elements in it that become depleted over time, some quicker than others, your soilless mix contains none of these elements whatsoever.

the liquid nutes are designed to supplement what the company thinks will be missing from the soil so will be mixed at a ratio to meet the needs of a plant in soil and not strong enough in other elements that a plant in a soilless mix will need.

i know lots of people who rate nirvana strains too but i'm just a weed snob these days :P i would only buy seeds from one european breeder and i mentioned them above.
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Fox Farm makes 2 versions of their nutes so you have to make sure you get the soil nutes for soil and the hydro for hydro growing. Fox Farm are by far my favorite nutes I have ever used and I have tried at least 14 different line ups. Advanced being the worst of them.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
If you use the real Nivana seeds and not the fake Boutique then they have some of the best gentics out there. I have used them for over a decade and nothing but good things to say about them for sure. There is a fake knock off that tries to trick people and they have a rep for bad seeds, no sends and fake genetics.
 
FilthyFletch

FilthyFletch

Mr I Can Do That For Half
What temps are the air and are the pots on concrete or other cold surface as this will really slow down the grow. Whats the run from the mix and whats the ph of the water before feeding with nutes in it?
 
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