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M Dogg

M Dogg

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Dave Meltzer is the top journalist for any combat sports or wrestling and this is straight off his pen... When the UFC was purchased for 2 million dollars from SEG Entertainment they were basically out of business. No sactioning anywhere (hardly) meant they couldn't be in a position to make any money. At this time one of the Fertittas happened to be on the Nevada State Athletic Commission and had inside knowledge (fuck, he was in on the decision) of whether or not they would get sanctioned in Nevada. Long story short, the owners of SEG were mislead to believe they would never be sanctioned in Nevada, never have a chance to make money, and therefore, had a product with little or no value. Dana and the Fertitta's (high school buddies) swoop in with some casino chips and scoop up the UFC. Of course they get sued by SEG, but since they wear Teflon suits, no wrongdoing is found on their part.

How much is UFC worth now? 2 billion? I personally could care less about this, but, I think people who consider themselves MMA fans should at least know the behind-the-scenes history of the UFC and it's owners.
 
doowmd

doowmd

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I wasn't aware of that story M Dogg. Thanks for the info! Had no clue one of the Fertitta's was on the NSAC at one time. Or that they basically hoo-dooed SEG into the deal by making them think that. Dave Meltzer always amazes me w/ his insider knowledege. Makes me wonder how he gets all those scoops: PPV numbers, behind the scenes contract negotiations, etc.
 
M Dogg

M Dogg

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Yeah doom, and with Meltzer's longevity, as well as the fact that he doesn't only cover wrestling but MMA and mainstream sports, I think he needs to be considered as THE preeminent sports-writer in North America. The volume of his work with the Wrestling Observer alone is mind-boggling!
 
doowmd

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M Dogg said:
Yeah doom, and with Meltzer's longevity, as well as the fact that he doesn't only cover wrestling but MMA and mainstream sports, I think he needs to be considered as THE preeminent sports-writer in North America. The volume of his work with the Wrestling Observer alone is mind-boggling!
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I'd call it a tie between him and helwani. Helwani does a ton of articles/interviews and shows (fuel/mma hour). Also a big fan of Ben Folwkes and his articles. He's the best writer out of the 3 imo. (speaking strictly about the writing as opposed to the reporting which I still call a tie between Helwani and Meltzer)





Corso312 said:
Caught some old fights on showtime last night...surprised Mike Kyle never made a name for himself.
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I think he retired after his last loss.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Kyle


BTW Aldo/Pettis is official for UFC 163 in Rio de janeiro
[h=3]Report: 'UFC 163: Aldo vs. Pettis' booked for Rio de Janeiro's HSBC Arena[/h] by MMAjunkie.com Staff on Mar 12, 2013 at 2:55 pm ET
Texas, Chicago and Las Vegas' loss will apparently be Rio de Janeiro's gain. According to Brazilian website Tatame.com, Rio de Janeiro's HSBC Arena will play host to August's UFC 163 event.

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Marla 420

Marla 420

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M Dogg said:
Dave Meltzer is the top journalist for any combat sports or wrestling and this is straight off his pen... When the UFC was purchased for 2 million dollars from SEG Entertainment they were basically out of business. No sactioning anywhere (hardly) meant they couldn't be in a position to make any money. At this time one of the Fertittas happened to be on the Nevada State Athletic Commission and had inside knowledge (fuck, he was in on the decision) of whether or not they would get sanctioned in Nevada. Long story short, the owners of SEG were mislead to believe they would never be sanctioned in Nevada, never have a chance to make money, and therefore, had a product with little or no value. Dana and the Fertitta's (high school buddies) swoop in with some casino chips and scoop up the UFC. Of course they get sued by SEG, but since they wear Teflon suits, no wrongdoing is found on their part.

How much is UFC worth now? 2 billion? I personally could care less about this, but, I think people who consider themselves MMA fans should at least know the behind-the-scenes history of the UFC and it's owners.
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Yea, highly illegal but nobody really cares about it too much. The Ferttitas acquired the UFC through illegal means. I don't get to mad about it though, I think the Ferttias have done well for the UFC even if they had to break the law to do it.
 
Marla 420

Marla 420

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guerrilla medic said:
its comical that i'm on here having lesnars back because i usually rooted for him to lose.... everyone is entitled to their opinion and i respect yours, but i cannot see some of the points you're trying to make. where are you getting your information when you say "guess what? When Lesnar left so did the PPV money and fans." and "Now that he is gone there aren't too many of Lesnar's fans that stayed."? im not saying you're right or wrong, just wondering where that information is coming from. people that thought it was a joke and ufc was just as fake as wrestling were dead wrong, weren't they? even with his modest record he beat the existing ufc heavyweight champion in real cage fight. then he defended the title twice. in real cage fights against good competition (frank mir and shane carwin). he got worked by cain but cain is the current champ. not too much shame it that. i agree that they didnt need him and the company was growing steadily before and after him but why not have him. i have never watched fake wrestling in my life but i liked watching lesnar cagefight. what's not to like about it? in entertaining fashion he beat the guys he had the skills to beat and lost to the guys that he didnt.
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As in Brock would sell a couple hundred thousand PPV's when he was on the card, but the numbers are still the same when he isn't fighting. He didn't get into MMA then PPV numbers went up for every PPV. GSP/Anderson/Any other fighter still sold the same amount of PPV's before and after. When he isn't fighting or retired he did nothing for the company. All Dana got out of it was a couple hundred thousands of PPV dollars. Which yea is great, but it isn't like without him the UFC would have failed. I didn't find him exciting, he had a boring wrestling style. He had a freakshow thing going on. People wanted to tune in and see Brock WWE champion fight, they didn't tune in and stay for the sport of MMA. When Brock was gone so were they and so was the PPV dollars. Also the trade off for it was people thinking anyone can get into MMA and be champion(without knowing he was spoon-fed the title) so to me it wasn't really worth it. It diminished MMA more then it helped imo.
 
Padawanbater2

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Marla 420 said:
As in Brock would sell a couple hundred thousand PPV's when he was on the card, but the numbers are still the same when he isn't fighting. He didn't get into MMA then PPV numbers went up for every PPV. GSP/Anderson/Any other fighter still sold the same amount of PPV's before and after. When he isn't fighting or retired he did nothing for the company. All Dana got out of it was a couple hundred thousands of PPV dollars. Which yea is great, but it isn't like without him the UFC would have failed. I didn't find him exciting, he had a boring wrestling style. He had a freakshow thing going on. People wanted to tune in and see Brock WWE champion fight, they didn't tune in and stay for the sport of MMA. When Brock was gone so were they and so was the PPV dollars. Also the trade off for it was people thinking anyone can get into MMA and be champion(without knowing he was spoon-fed the title) so to me it wasn't really worth it. It diminished MMA more then it helped imo.
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The numbers are the same without Lesnar, but when he retired the PPV buys decreased?


 
guerrilla medic

guerrilla medic

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brock was one of the first guys (if not the first) that i remember being a guest on sportscenter. that is groundbreaking and had a lasting effect. but i digress. i agree to disagree on the subject of brock and dana white for that matter. M420 you posted at exactly 4:20 pacific standard time.....respect. countdown to diaz vs georges tonight 8:00 fuel tv.
 
doowmd

doowmd

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Lesnar is the ONLY UFC fighter to do a million ppv buys in every ppv he was on!!!!
Top Selling UFC PPVs of All-Time

Written by Jeff Fox on 28 November 2012.

Dana White has vehemently denied that the man pictured above, Mr. Brock Lesnar, was the UFC's best pay-per-view draw of all-time. White claims that title belongs to Georges St-Pierre. While it is true that GSP is the company's best draw currently, the facts just don't support White's claim that GSP sold better than Lesnar (but, then again, White never lets facts get in the way of an argument). How else can you explain why Lesnar, not GSP, is the headliner on four out of the top five selling UFC cards of all-time? A coincidence?!
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Corso312

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Bullshit, the ufc use to have David vs Goliath fights ...dudes giving up 60 plus lbs for 7 k$...sometimes a fighter fought 3 times in a night.

You tellingme Dana's punk ass can't offer Silva/Jones a 500k to winner 200k to loser jones-silva @ 190 lbs?
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Lol, and that's why the UFC almost went bankrupt

I'm sure he could, but besides the money, which neither Jones or Silva need, what would be the incentive for either of them?
 
Marla 420

Marla 420

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Padawanbater2 said:
The numbers are the same without Lesnar, but when he retired the PPV buys decreased?
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I meant the numbers are the same for everyone/PPV buys if Brock wasn't fighting on the card (as in no fans that bought Cards for Lesnar bought cards for anything else). If Brock wasn't fighting that night then nobody is really getting anything out of Lesnar being in the UFC because people only wanted to see freakshow Lesnar. I was kinda stoned so I probably was just babling. PPV buys stayed the same with or without Lesnar in the UfC. The only benefit was if Brock was fighting that night. His fans didn't buy any other cards.
 
Marla 420

Marla 420

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doowmd said:
Lesnar is the ONLY UFC fighter to do a million ppv buys in every ppv he was on!!!!
Top Selling UFC PPVs of All-Time

Written by Jeff Fox on 28 November 2012.

Dana White has vehemently denied that the man pictured above, Mr. Brock Lesnar, was the UFC's best pay-per-view draw of all-time. White claims that title belongs to Georges St-Pierre. While it is true that GSP is the company's best draw currently, the facts just don't support White's claim that GSP sold better than Lesnar (but, then again, White never lets facts get in the way of an argument). How else can you explain why Lesnar, not GSP, is the headliner on four out of the top five selling UFC cards of all-time? A coincidence?!
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Yea, because people wanted to see Freakshow Lesnar fight. You kinda just proved my whole point. His fans never came back to buy any other cards. Only time the UFC benefited was if Lesnar fought that night. Dana just spoonfed Lesnar the title (diminished it imo) just for some more PPV buys. With or without Lesnar UFC would be fine. He sold PPV's while he was around but no one benefited except Lesnar and Marginally the UFC (While taking a hit in being legitimate) and in my opinion it really wasn't worth it.
 
guerrilla medic

guerrilla medic

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Marla 420 said:
Yea, because people wanted to see Freakshow Lesnar fight. You kinda just proved my whole point. His fans never came back to buy any other cards. Only time the UFC benefited was if Lesnar fought that night. Dana just spoonfed Lesnar the title (diminished it imo) just for some more PPV buys. With or without Lesnar UFC would be fine. He sold PPV's while he was around but no one benefited except Lesnar and Marginally the UFC (While taking a hit in being legitimate) and in my opinion it really wasn't worth it.
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i lied lol. i cannot digress. please give some kind of explanation of how dana spoonfed him the belt. granted his title shot was rushed, but he won the fight against couture, the champion. how can you say the ufc marginally benefited? they were the primary financial beneficiaries. how did they take a hit in being legitimate? they cannot be illegitimate if the guys get in the cage and participate in a cagefight, can they? what hit did they take? certainly not a financial hit.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Lol dude, he beat Randy Couture and Frank Mir, who else do you think was a legitimate contender at heavyweight that he didn't beat or that deserved more of a title shot at the time?
 
M Dogg

M Dogg

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What is obvious to me is that the UFC/MMA is just like pro-wrestling in the fact that interest in the sport is cyclical and based on the individual fighters ability to draw and the promoters ability to cash in on that star. That being said, until someone other than the current crop of fighters comes along and captures the imagination of fans and non-fans alike, well, I'm afraid Brock is gonna be on top of that biggest-grossing PPV list for awhile.
 
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