Evidence for water on Mars!

tyler.durden

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[h=1]Mars rover finds first evidence of water: a river of it[/h] By Irene Klotz

CAPE CANAVERAL, Florida | Thu Sep 27, 2012 5:37pm EDT

(Reuters) - NASA's Mars rover, Curiosity, dispatched to learn if the most Earth-like planet in the solar system was suitable for microbial life, has found clear evidence its landing site was once awash in water, a key ingredient for life, scientists said Thursday.
Curiosity, a roving chemistry laboratory the size of a small car, touched down on August 6 inside a giant impact basin near the planet's equator. The primary target for the two-year mission is a three-mile (five-km) -high mound of layered rock rising from the floor of Gale Crater.
Scientists suspect the mound, known as Mount Sharp, is the remains of sediment that once completely filled the crater. Analysis of a slab of rock located between the crater's north rim and the base of Mount Sharp indicate a fast-moving stream of water once flowed there.
Images taken by Curiosity and released on Thursday show rounded stones cemented into the rock, which rises like a piece of jack-hammered sidewalk from the planet's surface.
The stones inside the rock are too big to have been moved by wind, Curiosity scientist Rebecca Williams, with the Planetary Science Institute in Tucson, Arizona, told reporters on a conference call.
"The consensus of the science team is that these are water-transported gravel in a vigorous stream," she said.
The rock is believed to be from the floor of an ancient stream which was once between ankle- and knee-deep.
The analysis is based on telephoto images taken by the rover, which is en route to a patch of land named Glenelg where three different types of rock intersect.
Scientists have not yet decided if the slab of rock warrants a chemical analysis, or if there are better targets for Curiosity to look for the building blocks of life and the minerals to preserve it.
"The question about habitability goes beyond the simple observation of water on Mars," said lead scientist John Grotzinger at the California Institute of Technology.
"Certainly flowing water is a place where microorganisms could have lived. This particular kind of rock may or may not be a good place to preserve those components that we associate with a habitable environment," he said.

The $2.5 billion Mars Science Laboratory Curiosity mission is NASA's first astrobiology mission since the 1970s-era Viking probes.
(Editing by David Adams and Eric Walsh)
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Doer

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I know! Water rounded gravel. Of course the mission was downgraded so they can't probe for actual water, but it might be just a few dozen feet down? Very interesting. Too bad the mission scientists were able to open secretly, the tool supply and fix a now contaminated drill.

There is a lock for that. Master makes them.
 

guy incognito

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I have seen bike thieves get past a master lock. I am sure a nasa engineer would have no problem bypassing it.
 

Doer

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I have seen bike thieves get past a master lock. I am sure a nasa engineer would have no problem bypassing it.
Oh sure, you really think the engineers would not be deterred, if they had to answer for a security stamped protection lock? They knew they screwed up. That's why they waited to tell.. So, no, not about stealing anything. Sleep walking. They were on a second-guess hunt, not thinking. Off the page. You know about the books of procedure pages?

They were just practicing creep and second guess. A sign from the Planetary Office, "I will fuck you in the street." would have done as well as a lock, don't you think? Just needed to wake up.
 

bigbillyrocka

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I believe Mars used to look like earth until something Happened. Iv'e said that for years now and could be right. Whatever happened there could very well what happens here. 2012 is upon us. :)
 

guy incognito

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Oh sure, you really think the engineers would not be deterred, if they had to answer for a security stamped protection lock? They knew they screwed up. That's why they waited to tell.. So, no, not about stealing anything. Sleep walking. They were on a second-guess hunt, not thinking. Off the page. You know about the books of procedure pages?

They were just practicing creep and second guess. A sign from the Planetary Office, "I will fuck you in the street." would have done as well as a lock, don't you think? Just needed to wake up.
I don't understand your point. Yes I know they have procedures in place and they broke them doing what they did. You implied a master lock would have prevented them. I don't understand how. They knew what they were doing was against procedure and they did it anyway, so how is a lock going to help that situation? Are they not held accountable for what they've already done?
 

Seedling

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I believe Mars used to look like earth until something Happened. Iv'e said that for years now and could be right. Whatever happened there could very well what happens here. 2012 is upon us. :)
It used to look like earth because it was in the same position away from the sun that the earth is now. The planets came from the sun and they travel away from the sun. I'm just hoping a new planet pops out of the sun while I'm still alive!!!
 

Doer

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I am saying in their world of bound procedure manuals and a world of Planetary Scientists attempting to keep these engineers from going off the page; still, in the end it was, cross fingers and hope they don't screw up. And, hope is not a plan.

I'm saying that the Planetary Office screwed up. They relied on hope. Another level of security check was needed at launch to unlock the box knowing that is has not been opened, and the Mission Classification was still Go at Launch. But, imagine that was shot down by engineering what if, what if, what if.....???

Risk assessment of Contamination was not the job of the engineers. They were allowed to second-guess the risk of not having a tool loaded in the drill motor.

They should have been prevented by more than paper, is all I'm saying.
 

mindphuk

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It used to look like earth because it was in the same position away from the sun that the earth is now. The planets came from the sun and they travel away from the sun. I'm just hoping a new planet pops out of the sun while I'm still alive!!!
I suppose you have evidence for this and I hope it's better than what you provided disproving Relativity.
 

Doer

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No, he is another one with a loose and sandy foundation. There is not one shred of evidence that says, coronal mass ejections are anywhere near large enough to be planet size. And there is the little problem of charge, velocity, and time to recapture, cool and circularize it's orbit before being smashed by Jupiter, etc.

It actually sound like a fairy tale or a sub-plot to a video game.
 

Pipe Dream

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I was watching a lecture the other day and the scientist claimed that it is practically a known thing that is water on Mars but the discovery of water would have over shadowed the research they had done, and funding for their missions would be cut or something so they don't go looking for it.
 

tyler.durden

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I was watching a lecture the other day and the scientist claimed that it is practically a known thing that is water on Mars but the discovery of water would have over shadowed the research they had done, and funding for their missions would be cut or something so they don't go looking for it.

I was watching a lecture the other day where a scientist claimed that water on Mars was not a known thing and that if found they would get even more funding so they did their best to find it...
 

tyler.durden

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It used to look like earth because it was in the same position away from the sun that the earth is now. The planets came from the sun and they travel away from the sun. I'm just hoping a new planet pops out of the sun while I'm still alive!!!
Links, please...
 

guy incognito

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It used to look like earth because it was in the same position away from the sun that the earth is now. The planets came from the sun and they travel away from the sun. I'm just hoping a new planet pops out of the sun while I'm still alive!!!
STFU. Everyone knows jesus put them there.
 

Dr Kynes

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Hmm.. CO2, Water.. They will never catch me if I grow on Mars!
gonna need a few extra lights homey, the lumens will be too low for optimum growth even in direct sun, and the nightime cold will frost your growing tips. youll still have to do it indoors but the martian cops wont be able to claim they smelled your shit. everybody knows martians aint go no noses!

plus the shipping costs for your dope would push your martian superweed's retail costs into the millions per ounce. that shit had better be the bomb!
 

Dr Kynes

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I was watching a lecture the other day where a scientist claimed that water on Mars was not a known thing and that if found they would get even more funding so they did their best to find it...
it was my impression that the martian icecaps had been determined to be made of water, not frozen co2. did i miss an episode of nova?
 

tyler.durden

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it was my impression that the martian icecaps had been determined to be made of water, not frozen co2. did i miss an episode of nova?
Right. When people make a deal out of 'water' on Mars, they're referring to liquid water. When I wrote post #13 I was being sarcastic in my response to post #12: so many posters give dissenting opinion without any links or evidence to support their statement. I was just posting the same kind of lazy response ;)
 
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