SamsonsRiddle
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He listed two, he said something about a retna being upside down but gave no explanation, and then went on to talk about a quala or panda thumb but it eats bamboo well. I didn't address that point because he gave no evidence and that which is asserted without evidence can be rejected without evidence.
He compared the bad design of a pinto with no one would say then that it didn't have a designer. The reason there is relevance to the Christian god is that Christians are behind this Intelligent Design movement (ID) but there is a vast difference between the god of ID and the Christian God, who is supposed to be perfect.
I know more about the bible and theology than the average person, but I wouldn't say I'm an expert. I grew up in a fundamentalist home and never remember believing it. Of course I felt guilty and that there was something wrong with me. I tried for years to force myself into belief, and I couldn't. I finally realized it was total bullshit. Even the bible. It isn't a coherent message and its all mixed up. The OT is just one of gods failures after another, he keeps screwing up and blaming it on man.
The NT has 4 anonymous gospels with different incompatible stories about Jesus, then you have Acts and the letters that never really talk about jesus except through revelation. I don't think the man actually existed. Have you looked into Dr. Richard Carrier's work on this? He makes a compelling case.
Its difficult to have this conversation with a Christian because I could do a complete dissection of what I see as Christianity, and because of the number of denominations you'd have wiggle room. Its like trying to nail jello to a wall.
I know why youre opposed to evolution. With evolution there is no Adam and Eve, which means no original sin, which totally negates the need for Jesus to come. Evolution is a death nail to Christianity.
I study the bible every day, and have studied many of the problems with it. OVER AND OVER. The problem is that people forget that the bible was given to man and brought to us through man with all the ideas of man mixed in. So how can you know the truth? The holy spirit. You can accumulate all the knowledge in the world about the bible, but without the missing piece it's futile. There are no mistakes in the bible, god allowed everything to be put in there FOR A REASON.
The old testament was not about god's blunders, but rather a way for man to realize how fucking stupid he really is. Over and over again man is given a chance to follow god's way, but he is so blind by his own "intelligence" that he refuses to believe anything outside of his pursuit of pleasure. So it is today. To have the title of God, there is no way you could make a mistake. By his title alone your assertion about the old testament being him making mistakes is false.
4 anonymous gospels? there are only 4 and they were written by god, given to man through the holy spirit (levi, mark, john, and luke). Just like every word spoken by Jesus was not his own, but rather God spoke through him by the power of the holy spirit. And Acts takes place after Jesus is resurrected and returns to receive his throne in the third heaven, therefore it's the continuation of the gospel of the coming kingdom of god continued through a bunch of men (Jesus was only used to convert 120 so how many do you think there are today? Millions like the churches teach?). Maybe you've been studying with Martin Luther who denies most of the new testament?
All the denominations are wrong - so that should narrow things down for you, but why would you ever rather with a christian? They can't even figure out which sun they are celebrating (the venerable Day of the Sun).
However, if you really think you can educate me on the Bible, i would love to hear it.