Examples of GOP Leadership

Of course they would hide those numbers. The big lie doesn’t add up with then.

captainmorgan said:

If they get back in power they will end democracy in this country.

GOP Leadership Reportedly Hid Trump's Weak Numbers At Recent Retreats

Internal data reveal that voters in "core districts" have unfavorable views of Trump — but rank-and-file Republicans don't want to hear it.

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That's good news. By latching on to him thinking they need him to get elected, they're all going to go down with him.

captainmorgan said:

If they get back in power they will end democracy in this country.

GOP Leadership Reportedly Hid Trump's Weak Numbers At Recent Retreats

Internal data reveal that voters in "core districts" have unfavorable views of Trump — but rank-and-file Republicans don't want to hear it.

www.huffpost.com

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I've been seeing hints on the news of a moderate republican coalition forming in the next week. I don't think they form another party because of ballot access issues, but I figure they can take over in certain regions of the country. There is talk of doing something in the 2022 midterms. They can also back primaried republican candidates to run as conservative independents in their districts and thus split the rightwing vote. They might not win, but they can still fuck the republican lunatic that the base will vomit up.

Splitting the republicans will help the democrats in 2022 and 2024, if they could be split into a new conservative party backed by the rich, that would be best of all. They could do it and bust open ballot access nation wide with court challenges, primaries and political parties aren't mentioned in the US constitution.

CunningCanuk said:

Of course they would hide those numbers. The big lie doesn’t add up with then.

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They are in deep shit when they lie to themselves, funny thing though, most of the base lie to themselves constantly. A house divided cannot stand and one built on a foundation of lies collapses from it's own weight.

captainmorgan said:

If they get back in power they will end democracy in this country.

GOP Leadership Reportedly Hid Trump's Weak Numbers At Recent Retreats

Internal data reveal that voters in "core districts" have unfavorable views of Trump — but rank-and-file Republicans don't want to hear it.

www.huffpost.com

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So, they got themselves firmly hitched to Donald, what happens when he gets busted? The hits will keep coming too, the feds will pile on charges, including insurrection, as investigations are completed, Georgia and NY will indict him too, then there are the lawsuits. The rats will be running and squealing, the many law suits will hit the courts and Donald will end up on witness stands soon.

The hardcore base will double down in desperation and Donald will demand congressmen and senators dance, sing and preform on the courthouse steps. The closer to the 2022 election that this 3 ring circus takes place, the better, after the courts it will be congresses turn to investigate. If Donald is not indicted soon for something, then something is definitely wrong with the American justice system. I think they are going for conspiracy indictments, both state and federal, having Rudy rat out Donald would make a conviction for conspiracy to commit insurrection and sedition a snap. Also NY might be going for their state version of RICO against Trump and others, they are squeezing his bean counter the weasel till he squeals to make that case.

Remember Rudy already put one Teflon Don in prison and it looks like he might be going for another one

He's a conservative and you can work with conservatives, because they have actual ideologies. Republicans on the other hard, are just giant pieces of shit with no ideology beyond their liberal tears agenda.

mooray said:

He's a conservative and you can work with conservatives, because they have actual ideologies. Republicans on the other hard, are just giant pieces of shit with no ideology beyond their liberal tears agenda.

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Part of the problem conservatives have is their ideas are intellectually bankrupt and largely a product of historic racism. The libertarian core, is more a result of not wanting to form sharing and caring communities with black and brown people, than a pragmatic approach to a modern society. America is an outlier in many ways, from the healthcare system, the social safety net, mass gun violence and the incarceration rate. Republicans riding the horse of racism since Reagan brought you to this present state. The new deal worked just fine, until the brown and black people started getting some, then it was better that nobody got anything, except the wealthy, who just got richer. Racists permeated both parties until Obama's mere presence drove them out of the democratic party completely and filled the republican party with racists, while driving out the RINOs. Trump completed the purge of decency in the GOP and filled it with Americas morons and moral failures.

Now the parties and country are polarized, minorities are strong in the democratic party, throwing them under the bus is no longer possible and there will no going back. The die has been cast an we wait for the roll of the dice in 2022, if the democrats win in 2022 there will be even more change. They will probably use the opportunity to deliver the kill shot to the elephant, death is an appropriate punishment for treason.

I think of the people you're talking about as being republicans. The old school political definitions of liberal/conservative was just more/less gov't, with no positive/negative connotation. But, as an ideology, conservatism is just about making things last, which is why conservatism as an ideology and them stinky hippie tree huggers are actually aligned via environmental conservation. I also think a conservative is someone that appreciates the constitution and freedom, which means they *should* be socially liberal, since our founding documents make plenty of room for it with individual liberty. So then all it really comes down to economic policy, And, a conservative believes in a strong nation, which smart, hardworking and healthy people are the backbone of, so now you're right there with wanting education/jobs/healthcare programs. This is why I try hard to make that separation between republicans and conservatives, to leave that empty parking space available for them, should they ever decide to get their shit together.

mooray said:

The old school political definitions of liberal/conservative was just more/less gov't

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Wrong.

Being conservative means:

• You do not spend money that you do not have.
• You do not get involved in other people's business that does not concern you.
• You worry about cleaning up your own house before you worry about anybody else's.

Being liberal means:

• You make decisions based on science.
• You attack the problems of society with every resource you can muster.
• The world order must be achieved with a democratic consensus.
• Advances in society should be equitable to all.

Those two philosophies served for decades to keep each other in check; to assure that the nation never went too far one way or the other.

Now, of course, there are no true conservatives anymore. And now we're changing the idea of relief and programs in dollar amounts greater than our gross national product.

This country is in far more trouble than most people think.

mooray said:

I think of the people you're talking about as being republicans. The old school political definitions of liberal/conservative was just more/less gov't, with no positive/negative connotation. But, as an ideology, conservatism is just about making things last, which is why conservatism as an ideology and them stinky hippie tree huggers are actually aligned via environmental conservation. I also think a conservative is someone that appreciates the constitution and freedom, which means they *should* be socially liberal, since our founding documents make plenty of room for it with individual liberty. So then all it really comes down to economic policy, And, a conservative believes in a strong nation, which smart, hardworking and healthy people are the backbone of, so now you're right there with wanting education/jobs/healthcare programs. This is why I try hard to make that separation between republicans and conservatives, to leave that empty parking space available for them, should they ever decide to get their shit together.

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Actually there are two strains of political thought, usually called right and left, conservatism and progressivism. Both have economic and social connotations. Conservatism is just what it says, to conserve things the way they are, both socially and economically, it is the party of the statues quo. Conservatives seek to impede or slow down change, both economic and social, that's about it, nothing else can be ascribed to the philosophy. Progressivism is just as it says, social and economic progress, social progress is defined as the inclusion of more peoples in the society, liberalism. Economic progress is defined as redistribution of wealth and a fairer share for everybody. Technology concentrates wealth automatically and so do capitalist economic systems, not to mention policy corrupted by money.

Modern societies are a blend and balance between capitalism and socialism, progress can only happen so fast in any society, since some ideas and norms have to die along with the people who hold them. Older people tend to be conservative and cling to the past, the young tend to be more progressive and open to a future they will live in. We are on a technological ride into the future however and the pace of change is not constant, but accelerates. In 20 or 30 years work might be a privilege and not a necessity, when that happens, people are gonna be either useless mouths to feed or people are gonna be living recreational lives.

The problem any conservative party in America has, be it sane or insane, is that change is required on both an economic and social level. America has been in political stasis since Reagan and technology, social norms, the economy and above all else, the world has moved on. You no longer have the luxury of indulging in racism and bullshit based on it, economic, health and legal policy must change. The center is actually pretty far to the left in America, you've been living in the racist driven right hand ditch for so long you've completely lost perspective as a nation.

I gotta push back a little on that conservatism is about keeping things as they are, versus making things last. Progressivism and conservatism can work hand in hand, and they have throughout history, using new technology/methods for preservation.

And conservatism isn't a party, it's an ideology. The party that claims to be conservative, are lying sacks of shit and they aren't conservative at all.

mooray said:

And conservatism isn't a party, it's an ideology. The party that claims to be conservative, are lying sacks of shit and they aren't conservative at all.

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Congratulations for repeating exactly what I just typed.

TacoMac said:

Now, of course, there are no true conservatives anymore.

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Well I don't quite agree. For example: a conservative would fight for gay rights, even if they disagree with it and even if it had nothing to do with themselves.

And the batshit crazy just keeps on coming.

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I can't get past actual Republican politicians are so deep into this scam that they are still willing to go onto anything with Bannon who was scamming Trump/Republican cultists on his wall con. It is mind numbingly stupid that people ing the hit and keep asking for more.

Rep. Brian Babin to Newsmax TV: Cheney Vote About Saving US From Socialism
The vote to oust Rep. Liz Cheney, R-Wyo., from her No. 3 leadership position is not about silencing her, but about presenting a unified front to save the country from a future of socialism, Rep. Brian Babin, R-Texas, tells Newsmax TV.

Cheney faces a near-certain vote to oust her from her position as House Republican Conference chair for her consistent public attacks on former President Donald Trump.

While Cheney has a right to her own views as a member of Congress, Babin told "Spicer & Co.," that if she wants to be a part of leadership, she must be part of a unified coalition to fight the agenda of the Biden administration and Democrats in Congress.

"If we're going to take this House back in 2022," Babin said, "it's an absolute must, especially in the face of lockstep Democrats behind AOC [Rep. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, D-N.Y.] and [House Speaker Nancy] Pelosi. We've got to pull together and take this House back and save America from socialism. That's the bottom line."

"everything's at stake," with America is sitting on the precipice of socialism. The current path could lead America to become another Venezuela, he warned of the once prosperous South American nation that plummeted after electing social leader Hugo Chavez.

the rabble response.

Cheney fell for the Impeachment hoaxes, yet open borders are perfectly ok with her. She might as well be Democrat.


Cheney has a 96% record of voting for and supporting conservative issues.
But that means nothing in Trump's GOP.
Trump cannot have any well regarded conservatives pointing out the he has been sued in court for lying and fraud more times than ALL previous presidents and ALL currently seated members of congress COMBINED.....so he has condemned her and is requiring that his Trump super fans vote to expel her as a sign of their Trumplove.

Tomorrow will the republicans vote to take back their party from the party of trump. Cheney vs McCarthy

To late. OBOZO already made us a socialist country. FREE FREE FREE.

Cheney voted once or twice to impeach our great President? What is wrong with Wyoming?

"Cheney voted once or twice to impeach our great President?" ????
So you don't know the facts but you still want offer your opinion. OK.

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Cheney is tough, inflexible, and always tells the truth, which doesn’t fit well into a movement not unlike The Peoples Temple where one man must always be seen to be calling the shots. Don’t drink the Koolaid, folks.
Indictments against Deep State politicians have been filed across the globe. Arrestees working for foreign Deep State governments and agencies have been taken to GITMO, Honduras XPL (Sato Kona Honduran military base detention center) and Spain’s Santa Cruz Islands.
Word was that President Trump was the only true US commander-in-chief, rather than Biden, who has been refused entrance to the Pentagon and Air Force One. Military commanders were flying from Norfolk to Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence. There were 866 active military personnel working for the US Interim Military Government in a compound next Mar-a-Lago

Two nations exist today: the closed broken drug war zone commie blue states who wear masks as their slave swamp floods them with open border covid and dope, and the Freed Red Sates who middle finger them.


Nutcases and trolls. At least the trolls are funny.