Examples of GOP Leadership
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captainmorgan
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Cheney is nearly as vile as Stinky and has backed his every move until now, she is no hero or defender of truth. She is closely tied to our national security agencies and must know that Stinkys days are numbered and she is just positioning herself for power when the turd is flushed.
DIY-HP-LED
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To me it's like watching two scorpions fighting to the death in a bottle. At least Liz is for some minimal measure of honesty and integrity. You will know them from here on out, not by what they say, but by how they vote in congress, none of this shit means anything unless the split happens on the floor of the house and senate. A separate faction of the republican party won't help as much as a third party to split away their vote and act as a spoiler. That was Donald's big threat, to form a third party and walk out with his supporters, practically leaving the party empty!
DIY-HP-LED
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He still controls the GOP but state parties are trying to prevent future Trumps (yahoo.com)
He still controls the GOP but state parties are trying to prevent future Trumps
WASHINGTON — Yes, this week confirmed that Donald Trump remains the de-facto leader of the Republican Party.
But something else happened, too: Republicans who are in the business of winning elections are trying to prevent future Trumps — at least those who have the same kind of baggage he did in 2015-2016 — from capturing statewide GOP contests.
Case in point: On Wednesday, Missouri Republicans offered a last-minute proposal to institute a Top-2 runoff if no candidate claims a majority in a GOP primary; currently, all it takes is a plurality to win a GOP primary in the Show Me State.
The apparent objective here? To make it much more difficult for former Gov. (and scandal-plagued) Eric Greitens to win the Republican primary for the state’s open Senate seat in 2022.
This move in Missouri follows what we already saw take place in Virginia — with the state party holding a confusing and convoluted convention instead of a primary, all in a seeming effort to make it harder for the “Trump in heels” Amanda Chase to win the GOP’s gubernatorial nomination.
And it worked. Chase, who might have won a plurality in a primary race, finished third in the drive-through/ranked-choice/weighted-by-locality convention, and outsider Glenn Youngkin won the nomination.
Two things can be true at the same time: One, the GOP is still Trump’s party. And two, Republicans realize that candidates with baggage like Trump can be liabilities for the party.
But also don’t be surprised that when you build a party in Trump’s image, you wind up with more Eric Greitenses and Amanda Chases running for statewide office.
Trump’s real power
That Trump can still dominate his party after losing in 2020, but that the same party is working to prevent future Trumps from winning statewide nominations confirms what NBC’s Benjy Sarlin has observed.
Trump’s real power is that he’s taken the Republican Party hostage.
“One reason is that he commands the loyalty of many base voters, who can potentially primary his opponents. But just as important, he can credibly threaten to take those voters away from the GOP entirely, dragging down Republicans of all stripes,” Sarlin recently wrote.
As Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. put it: “If you tried to run [Trump] out of the party, he’d take half the party with him.”
That’s his real power — something that Greitens and Chase don’t command.
He still controls the GOP but state parties are trying to prevent future Trumps
WASHINGTON — Yes, this week confirmed that Donald Trump remains the de-facto leader of the Republican Party.
But something else happened, too: Republicans who are in the business of winning elections are trying to prevent future Trumps — at least those who have the same kind of baggage he did in 2015-2016 — from capturing statewide GOP contests.
Case in point: On Wednesday, Missouri Republicans offered a last-minute proposal to institute a Top-2 runoff if no candidate claims a majority in a GOP primary; currently, all it takes is a plurality to win a GOP primary in the Show Me State.
The apparent objective here? To make it much more difficult for former Gov. (and scandal-plagued) Eric Greitens to win the Republican primary for the state’s open Senate seat in 2022.
This move in Missouri follows what we already saw take place in Virginia — with the state party holding a confusing and convoluted convention instead of a primary, all in a seeming effort to make it harder for the “Trump in heels” Amanda Chase to win the GOP’s gubernatorial nomination.
And it worked. Chase, who might have won a plurality in a primary race, finished third in the drive-through/ranked-choice/weighted-by-locality convention, and outsider Glenn Youngkin won the nomination.
Two things can be true at the same time: One, the GOP is still Trump’s party. And two, Republicans realize that candidates with baggage like Trump can be liabilities for the party.
But also don’t be surprised that when you build a party in Trump’s image, you wind up with more Eric Greitenses and Amanda Chases running for statewide office.
Trump’s real power
That Trump can still dominate his party after losing in 2020, but that the same party is working to prevent future Trumps from winning statewide nominations confirms what NBC’s Benjy Sarlin has observed.
Trump’s real power is that he’s taken the Republican Party hostage.
“One reason is that he commands the loyalty of many base voters, who can potentially primary his opponents. But just as important, he can credibly threaten to take those voters away from the GOP entirely, dragging down Republicans of all stripes,” Sarlin recently wrote.
As Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-S.C. put it: “If you tried to run [Trump] out of the party, he’d take half the party with him.”
That’s his real power — something that Greitens and Chase don’t command.
Unclebaldrick
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We need to Koch Block them.
printer
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When they primary Cheney there will be a host of other candidates who will get a percentage of the votes but with enough of them she will come out on top without having over 50%. With the runoff she will get knocked out.
DIY-HP-LED
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I think the only hope for the GOP is to have open primaries in all 50 states with runoffs. A federal law would be challenged by "states rights" assholes, but the SCOTUS might like the idea. The conservatives on the court no longer have a political home with the GOP and their ruling could shock some of these states rights loonies and moderate the republican party. The GOP politicians wouldn't have to worry about being primaried by some lunatic nearly as much with open primaries.
I dunno a whole lot about it though and there might be some negative and unintended consequences with the idea. It would seem though that it can moderate the behavior of the parties and stifle the lunatics who control the republican party. There is the problem of the state republican parties though, they've gone completely off the deep end in a lot of places. They definitely need to break open the two party system though, a two party system is only one party better than a single party system. Patriotic and sensible Americans only have one choice now, the democratic party, the republicans are an existential threat, not just to America, but to us too.
A third actual conservative party would be the best possible outcome, a party that would at least siphon off and split the right wing vote, a spoiler that will keep the republicans out of power. The next decade is gonna be very dangerous, at least until demographic changes can take hold.
DIY-HP-LED
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I think when Trump is indicted and goes to prison it should shake things up in the GOP. I don't think he will be endorsing anybody from inside Sing sing NY. I don't think communicating to the outside world will be easy for him either, he'll be speaking on a monitored phone through glass to limited visitors. By the time he ends up there his adult kids should be either with him or in shit up to their eyeballs. I can see indictments dropping this month or June at the latest, it can't be too much longer, there's plenty of crimes state and federal to choose from.
hanimmal
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/05/17/dan-crenshaw-chuck-todd-trump-election/
Days after House Republicans ousted Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) from her leadership position for challenging former president Donald Trump’s false claims of election fraud, Rep. Dan Crenshaw (R-Tex.) on Sunday insisted that the conflict doesn’t interest most Americans.
Instead, he argued, voters want to hear about border security, inflation, and the gas crisis. “These are things that affect people, not this internal drama,” Crenshaw said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”
But host Chuck Todd pushed back, noting that Trump continues to make baseless claims that the election was stolen — a view that many GOP leaders have declined to challenge or openly embraced.
“Why should anybody believe a word you say if the Republican Party itself doesn’t have credibility?” Todd asked.
The fiery exchange, which went viral on Twitter with one clip racking up more than 1 million views, offers vivid evidence of the challenge Republicans face in shifting the conversation from Trump’s election lies months after his loss and the deadly insurrection at the U.S. Capitol by his followers.
Cheney, who voted to impeach Trump after the riots, was booted from her House leadership role on Wednesday after lambasting Republicans for not standing up to the former president’s falsehoods. That same day, a number of Republicans sought to minimize the violence at the insurrection, with Rep. Andrew S. Clyde (R-Ga.) even comparing it to a “normal tourist visit.”
On Sunday, though, Crenshaw argued that Cheney wasn’t kicked out of her role for standing up to Trump, noting that she survived a referendum on her leadership shortly after she voted to impeach him.
“Liz did not apologize and she said she would not apologize and she still won that vote overwhelmingly to be a leader in our conference,” he told Todd. “The reason that a lot of our colleagues got more frustrated with her is because effectively she kept demanding that everyone else apologize.”
Noting that House Minority Leader Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.) said last week that arguments about the election’s result are “all over with,” Crenshaw said that within the party “there is disagreement, but it’s time to move on.”
But Todd suggested that distinction was meaningless as long as the GOP fails to unite against Trump’s insistence that election was stolen.
“Sitting here and saying, ‘Oh, there’s disagreement about the election.’ Look, there’s not disagreement about the facts,” Todd said. “Do any of your critiques come across as credible if you can’t accept the fundamental fact that our democracy held a free and fair election?”
Crenshaw noted that he was not among the dozens of House Republicans who voted against certifying President Biden’s victories in Pennsylvania and Arizona, but Todd fired back that he did sign onto a lawsuit by Texas Attorney General Ken Paxton (R) to invalidate the results in four swing states.
Crenshaw in response argued that the media had miscast that suit, calling it a “simple question to the Supreme Court” about election methods in those states.
Todd retorted, “You’re sitting here trying to say, ‘No, no, no, I just had a specific question,’ yet what you did gets weaponized by the former president,” noting that Trump this weekend again issued statements falsely claiming that the Arizona voting was tainted. (That outburst prompted the Republican who heads the elections department in Maricopa County to call Trump’s claims “unhinged.”)
Crenshaw then accused the “largely liberal” and “pro-Democrat” news media of feeding the narrative that Republicans are still fighting over the election’s results.
“Don’t start that. There’s nothing lazier than that excuse,” Todd replied.
captainmorgan
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For those that wonder how these assholes get in office, here is Dan's district map, Gym Jordan has a similar looking district.
captainmorgan
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TacoMac
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The most gerrymandered district in the United States belongs to Democrat John Sarbanes of Maryland.
printer
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captainmorgan
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More than likely.
TacoMac
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Took it over from a republican?
Nope. The last time Maryland's 3rd district had a republican was 1927.
It was redrawn to its current ridiculous state in 2000 to insure it would stay democratic for the foreseeable future.
DIY-HP-LED
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captainmorgan
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The democrats want to end gerrymandering and the GOP doesn't, that's all I need to know about the subject, not any both sides are the same shit.
TacoMac
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The democrats want to end republican gerrymandering.
They could easily do that right now but they refuse to because they use it just as much.
It's like the 15 dollar minimum wage: it was all lip service. They dropped it because the Parliamentarian said to? Seriously? And you believe that?
They told the Parliamentarian to do that to shoot it down because once again democrats profit from slave wages as much as Republicans do.
It's all politics. Democrats have no vested interest in ending gerrymandering. They're just using it as a hot button to get people to vote for them, just like the whole bogus living wage campaign.