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BudmanTX
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yeah that's a good one
printer
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On the same note...
Bemoaning Ohio results, Santorum says ‘pure democracies’ aren’t how to run a country
After a particularly disappointing night of election results for Republicans, former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) lamented “pure democracies,” where major decisions are left up to voters rather than their elected officials.
“Thank goodness that most of the states in this country don’t allow you to put everything on the ballot, because pure democracies are not the way to run a country,” Santorum said Tuesday night on Newsmax.
Ohio voters overwhelmingly approved separate ballot measures protecting abortion rights in the state constitution and legalizing recreational marijuana.
“You put very sexy things like abortion and marijuana on the ballot, and a lot of young people come out and vote,” Santorum said.
Nearly 57 percent of voters backed the abortion access measure, and about 56 percent approved of the marijuana measure. Both are set to take effect in 30 days.
The Buckeye State will be the 24th state to legalize recreational marijuana for people 21 and older.
In August, Ohio voters shot down an attempt led by Republicans that would have made it harder to amend the state constitution — an effort that was seen as directly aimed at preventing the abortion amendment’s passage.
Several states have been taking up abortion laws — both providing protections and implementing new restrictions — since the Supreme Court upended Roe v. Wade last year, pushing the issue of abortion access back to the states.
Seven of them — including Ohio, where the issue has been put directly to voters — have approved protections for abortion rights.
thehill.com
Bemoaning Ohio results, Santorum says ‘pure democracies’ aren’t how to run a country
After a particularly disappointing night of election results for Republicans, former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) lamented “pure democracies,” where major decisions are left up to voters rather than their elected officials.
“Thank goodness that most of the states in this country don’t allow you to put everything on the ballot, because pure democracies are not the way to run a country,” Santorum said Tuesday night on Newsmax.
Ohio voters overwhelmingly approved separate ballot measures protecting abortion rights in the state constitution and legalizing recreational marijuana.
“You put very sexy things like abortion and marijuana on the ballot, and a lot of young people come out and vote,” Santorum said.
Nearly 57 percent of voters backed the abortion access measure, and about 56 percent approved of the marijuana measure. Both are set to take effect in 30 days.
The Buckeye State will be the 24th state to legalize recreational marijuana for people 21 and older.
In August, Ohio voters shot down an attempt led by Republicans that would have made it harder to amend the state constitution — an effort that was seen as directly aimed at preventing the abortion amendment’s passage.
Several states have been taking up abortion laws — both providing protections and implementing new restrictions — since the Supreme Court upended Roe v. Wade last year, pushing the issue of abortion access back to the states.
Seven of them — including Ohio, where the issue has been put directly to voters — have approved protections for abortion rights.
Bemoaning Ohio results, Santorum says ‘pure democracies’ aren’t how to run a country
After a particularly disappointing night of election results for Republicans, former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) lamented “pure democracies,” where major decisions are left up to voters …
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H G Griffin
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Do these foul things even hear what comes out of their own mouths?
printer
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They might be coming around. Understand why they lost this battle? I take that back.
JD Vance: Ohio’s abortion vote ‘was a gut punch’
Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) says his state’s vote Tuesday to enshrine abortion rights “was a gut punch” for anti-abortion officials such as himself.
In a lengthy post online, Vance, who campaigned against the effort to ensure abortion access, attempted to parse out why the measure won with support from nearly 57 percent of voters.
“For pro lifers, last night was a gut punch. No sugar coating it,” he wrote.
“We have to recognize how much voters mistrust us (meaning elected Republicans) on this issue,” he added.
“Having an unplanned pregnancy is scary. Best case, you’re looking at social scorn and thousands of dollars of unexpected medical bills. We need people to see us as the pro-life party, not just the anti-abortion party.”
Abortion rights proponents have celebrated the Ohio vote.
“The results in Ohio underscore what the vast majority of Americans believe: politicians should not interfere in decisions that should be between a woman and her doctor,” Vice President Harris said in a statement.
It’s the latest state where voters have taken to the polls to stop restrictions on abortion access after the Supreme Court eliminated Roe v. Wade last year. States including Montana, Kentucky and Kansas have also voted in support of abortion rights after the high court’s ruling.
Ohio voters in August had also shot down a conservative-led attempt to it harder to amend the state constitution — an effort that was seen as directly aimed at making it harder for the abortion amendment to pass.
Vance, in his post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, wrote that giving up on the issue “is not an option.”
“Instead, we need to understand why we lost this battle so we can win the war,” he wrote.
He suggested Republicans should consider abortion restrictions with exceptions.
“I am as pro life as anyone, and I want to save as many babies as possible,” he wrote. “This is not about moral legitimacy but political reality.”
JD Vance: Ohio’s abortion vote ‘was a gut punch’
Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) says his state’s vote Tuesday to enshrine abortion rights “was a gut punch” for anti-abortion officials such as himself. In a lengthy post online, Vance, wh…
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DIY-HP-LED
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Just think, Trump takes credit for killing Roe vs Wade and the new house speaker maga Mike is the poster boy for anti-abortion fanatics. Looks like democrats are gonna make abortion the issue, I figured it would grow in importance over time with the republicans passing fanatical laws. I think the reproductive rights side is still organizing and has not reached its peak. Women are generally better than men at social stuff and organizing things like ground games to get out the vote. When you try to remove basic human rights, much less their constitutional rights from women, some of them are gonna object!
The republicans have abortion around their necks like a decades old millstone. It is an issue well past it best before date and is now stinking badly with the laws passed by red states. The magats and religious nuts are two key constituencies of today's GOP, and they can no more dump abortion than they can dump Trump.
The republicans have abortion around their necks like a decades old millstone. It is an issue well past it best before date and is now stinking badly with the laws passed by red states. The magats and religious nuts are two key constituencies of today's GOP, and they can no more dump abortion than they can dump Trump.
DIY-HP-LED
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They understand that Trump and some attitudes of the base are a problem they can't do anything about. They can be flexible on pot but not on abortion or Trump, there they are trapped by the base or enough of it and the base changes slowly. They can't turn on a dime over abortion or Trump.They might be coming around. Understand why they lost this battle? I take that back.
JD Vance: Ohio’s abortion vote ‘was a gut punch’
Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) says his state’s vote Tuesday to enshrine abortion rights “was a gut punch” for anti-abortion officials such as himself.
In a lengthy post online, Vance, who campaigned against the effort to ensure abortion access, attempted to parse out why the measure won with support from nearly 57 percent of voters.
“For pro lifers, last night was a gut punch. No sugar coating it,” he wrote.
“We have to recognize how much voters mistrust us (meaning elected Republicans) on this issue,” he added.
“Having an unplanned pregnancy is scary. Best case, you’re looking at social scorn and thousands of dollars of unexpected medical bills. We need people to see us as the pro-life party, not just the anti-abortion party.”
Abortion rights proponents have celebrated the Ohio vote.
“The results in Ohio underscore what the vast majority of Americans believe: politicians should not interfere in decisions that should be between a woman and her doctor,” Vice President Harris said in a statement.
It’s the latest state where voters have taken to the polls to stop restrictions on abortion access after the Supreme Court eliminated Roe v. Wade last year. States including Montana, Kentucky and Kansas have also voted in support of abortion rights after the high court’s ruling.
Ohio voters in August had also shot down a conservative-led attempt to it harder to amend the state constitution — an effort that was seen as directly aimed at making it harder for the abortion amendment to pass.
Vance, in his post on X, the platform formerly known as Twitter, wrote that giving up on the issue “is not an option.”
“Instead, we need to understand why we lost this battle so we can win the war,” he wrote.
He suggested Republicans should consider abortion restrictions with exceptions.
“I am as pro life as anyone, and I want to save as many babies as possible,” he wrote. “This is not about moral legitimacy but political reality.”
JD Vance: Ohio’s abortion vote ‘was a gut punch’
Sen. JD Vance (R-Ohio) says his state’s vote Tuesday to enshrine abortion rights “was a gut punch” for anti-abortion officials such as himself. In a lengthy post online, Vance, wh…
Bagginski
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Dunno why it wouldn’t open up here…
BudmanTX
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change the x.com to the twitter.com then it should pop up.....
BudmanTX
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Bagginski
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They try hard not to think about the things they have to think about…I think it shows. Lots of the MAGA/angry-monkey faction have been on an artificially-induced emotional coma the last 3+ years as a result of the endless repetition & constant shock tactics. They’re literally dangling by an emotional thread which gets weaker daily so they clutch it ever tighter, making themselves more fragile & their position more untenable.
TL;DR = they can’t calm down or back up, and they can’t trust a change in either the tune or the tone. It doesn’t matter that the thing’s out of control, they’re no longer pretending they can even *drive* anymore. Being stapled to their seats is the least of their worries
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Bagginski
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I love smart people
topcat
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DefinitionOn the same note...
Bemoaning Ohio results, Santorum says ‘pure democracies’ aren’t how to run a country
After a particularly disappointing night of election results for Republicans, former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) lamented “pure democracies,” where major decisions are left up to voters rather than their elected officials.
“Thank goodness that most of the states in this country don’t allow you to put everything on the ballot, because pure democracies are not the way to run a country,” Santorum said Tuesday night on Newsmax.
Ohio voters overwhelmingly approved separate ballot measures protecting abortion rights in the state constitution and legalizing recreational marijuana.
“You put very sexy things like abortion and marijuana on the ballot, and a lot of young people come out and vote,” Santorum said.
Nearly 57 percent of voters backed the abortion access measure, and about 56 percent approved of the marijuana measure. Both are set to take effect in 30 days.
The Buckeye State will be the 24th state to legalize recreational marijuana for people 21 and older.
In August, Ohio voters shot down an attempt led by Republicans that would have made it harder to amend the state constitution — an effort that was seen as directly aimed at preventing the abortion amendment’s passage.
Several states have been taking up abortion laws — both providing protections and implementing new restrictions — since the Supreme Court upended Roe v. Wade last year, pushing the issue of abortion access back to the states.
Seven of them — including Ohio, where the issue has been put directly to voters — have approved protections for abortion rights.
Bemoaning Ohio results, Santorum says ‘pure democracies’ aren’t how to run a country
After a particularly disappointing night of election results for Republicans, former Sen. Rick Santorum (R-Pa.) lamented “pure democracies,” where major decisions are left up to voters …
Santorum: that frothy mixture of lube, ejaculate and fecal matter which is a byproduct of anal sex. Example: I'll let you fuck me up the ass, but only if you rick the santorum afterwards.
Urban Dictionary: Rick Santorum
printer
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Wonder if it was that much a concern before yesterday's elections?
House GOP government funding bill hits snag amid abortion concerns
Another House GOP-backed funding plan is hitting snags this week as some in the party are raising concerns about an abortion-related provision.
GOP leadership is hoping to pass the conference’s partisan plan laying out fiscal 2024 funding for the White House, the Treasury Department and other offices this week. But there is uncertainty around its chances of passage as some members take issue with a thorny policy rider.
Rep. Marc Molinaro (R-N.Y.) told reporters Wednesday that he opposes the plan over a measure that seeks to prohibit Washington, D.C., from carrying out the Reproductive Health Nondiscrimination Act, a law that aims to protect individuals from employer discrimination based on their reproductive health decisions.
“I think that we need to be much more respectful of the difficult decision that women have to make,” Molinaro said. “I think we need to respect the city’s determination, and I think it’s a provision that is unnecessary in the bill.”
Reporters also asked the lawmaker about whether the recent victories for abortion-rights advocates seen at the ballot box this week would impact the party’s approach on the issue.
“I think that we need to take stock that post-Dobbs, the American people want every level of government to more appropriately respect the difficult choices women have to make,” he said. “And that if a state or city takes action, through its public referendum, that they understand, the American people understand, that is now the layer and the level of government that they want to influence.”
“Respecting the will of people, as they have clearly come to the polls now several times to acknowledge, I think is important for us,” he added. “We have to recognize that these are difficult choices and politicizing them is not helpful.”
Asked if there’s enough Republicans who share the same stance to tank the bill, Molinaro said he thinks “there is concern that there is,” noting more than a handful of Republicans have similar concerns.
In the House GOP’s narrow majority, just a handful of Republicans can sink any partisan bill.
The news comes just days after Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.), the chair of the subcommittee that crafted the party’s annual agriculture funding bill, cast doubt on the legislation passing anytime soon after it failed on the floor earlier this year amid divisions on abortion and spending.
While Harris said it’s up to GOP leadership “as to whether or not they want to attempt to bring the bill back,” he noted to The Hill last week the dug-in positions of members on a portion of the bill that seeks to limit access to the abortion pill mifepristone.
“There are members who have said, look, they can’t vote for that bill with the mifepristone language in and there are a whole lot more members who said they can’t vote for that bill with the mifepristone language out,” Harris said, while playing down its likelihood of passing even if “some of the spending issues are addressed.”
And on Tuesday, House Republicans punted plans to vote on a housing and transportation government funding bill, partly over concerns from some in the party about a proposed drop in dollars for Amtrak.
Rep. Bob Good (R-Va.) also said Wednesday that he “did not support it in its current form last night, it needs to cut spending.”
The bills are among the 12 annual government funding bills House Republicans sought to pass this month as they look to strengthen their hand in spending talks with Senate Democrats later this year.
However, the partisan bills have been panned by Democrats for pursuing cuts to non-Defense programs that go beyond a budget caps deal brokered between President Biden and House GOP leadership earlier this year, along with policy riders they call “poison pills.”
Republicans have defended the cuts, pointing to the rising national debt and inflation. But the partisan nature of the plans makes it tougher for House Republicans to pass the legislation with a narrow majority, especially after the party has struggled to unify behind a broader spending strategy over the past few months amid opposition from its right flank pressing for further cuts and other policy items.
thehill.com
House GOP government funding bill hits snag amid abortion concerns
Another House GOP-backed funding plan is hitting snags this week as some in the party are raising concerns about an abortion-related provision.
GOP leadership is hoping to pass the conference’s partisan plan laying out fiscal 2024 funding for the White House, the Treasury Department and other offices this week. But there is uncertainty around its chances of passage as some members take issue with a thorny policy rider.
Rep. Marc Molinaro (R-N.Y.) told reporters Wednesday that he opposes the plan over a measure that seeks to prohibit Washington, D.C., from carrying out the Reproductive Health Nondiscrimination Act, a law that aims to protect individuals from employer discrimination based on their reproductive health decisions.
“I think that we need to be much more respectful of the difficult decision that women have to make,” Molinaro said. “I think we need to respect the city’s determination, and I think it’s a provision that is unnecessary in the bill.”
Reporters also asked the lawmaker about whether the recent victories for abortion-rights advocates seen at the ballot box this week would impact the party’s approach on the issue.
“I think that we need to take stock that post-Dobbs, the American people want every level of government to more appropriately respect the difficult choices women have to make,” he said. “And that if a state or city takes action, through its public referendum, that they understand, the American people understand, that is now the layer and the level of government that they want to influence.”
“Respecting the will of people, as they have clearly come to the polls now several times to acknowledge, I think is important for us,” he added. “We have to recognize that these are difficult choices and politicizing them is not helpful.”
Asked if there’s enough Republicans who share the same stance to tank the bill, Molinaro said he thinks “there is concern that there is,” noting more than a handful of Republicans have similar concerns.
In the House GOP’s narrow majority, just a handful of Republicans can sink any partisan bill.
The news comes just days after Rep. Andy Harris (R-Md.), the chair of the subcommittee that crafted the party’s annual agriculture funding bill, cast doubt on the legislation passing anytime soon after it failed on the floor earlier this year amid divisions on abortion and spending.
While Harris said it’s up to GOP leadership “as to whether or not they want to attempt to bring the bill back,” he noted to The Hill last week the dug-in positions of members on a portion of the bill that seeks to limit access to the abortion pill mifepristone.
“There are members who have said, look, they can’t vote for that bill with the mifepristone language in and there are a whole lot more members who said they can’t vote for that bill with the mifepristone language out,” Harris said, while playing down its likelihood of passing even if “some of the spending issues are addressed.”
And on Tuesday, House Republicans punted plans to vote on a housing and transportation government funding bill, partly over concerns from some in the party about a proposed drop in dollars for Amtrak.
Rep. Bob Good (R-Va.) also said Wednesday that he “did not support it in its current form last night, it needs to cut spending.”
The bills are among the 12 annual government funding bills House Republicans sought to pass this month as they look to strengthen their hand in spending talks with Senate Democrats later this year.
However, the partisan bills have been panned by Democrats for pursuing cuts to non-Defense programs that go beyond a budget caps deal brokered between President Biden and House GOP leadership earlier this year, along with policy riders they call “poison pills.”
Republicans have defended the cuts, pointing to the rising national debt and inflation. But the partisan nature of the plans makes it tougher for House Republicans to pass the legislation with a narrow majority, especially after the party has struggled to unify behind a broader spending strategy over the past few months amid opposition from its right flank pressing for further cuts and other policy items.
House GOP government funding bill hits snag amid abortion concerns
Another House GOP-backed funding plan is hitting snags this week as some in the party are raising concerns about an abortion-related provision. GOP leadership is hoping t…
thehill.com
DIY-HP-LED
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They don't deal in truth and facts remember, so they have a hard time adjusting to reality. The more they delude themselves about Trump and abortion the better.
printer
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Yes, but you would expect them to spin it in some way. No call of democrats cheating? Mind you they only cheat when Tump is running.
DIY-HP-LED
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I noticed there were few cries of cheating and stealing from the republicans, there was some, but when Trump isn't running there appears to be little claimed cheating. They are on the wrong side of the abortion issue and can't change their position any more than they can dump Trump. It looks like the courts might not disqualify him from their primaries, the nominee is not a public office holder, so the republicans might be stuck with him until he is disqualified in the general election.
DIY-HP-LED
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Lawrence: This debate is being held 'in case Trump chokes on a cheeseburger'
Bagginski
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Awesome job, Lawrence!