EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread

Fogdog

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*rabid

@Fogdog obvi has a life.

It is unfortunate that some bills a filled with pork..anyone who is truly into politics knows to get something, you have to give something..

It's called..wait for it..compromise.

What he must give in to are those insane or greedy republicans.
Exactly, I'm not interested in discussing with Rob his limited understanding of a complex world. Rob is one dimensional and boring.

What Republicans and other conservatives now days have forgotten is how to work with others that have different objectives. Somehow, voting for a handful of bills that are stuffed with disconnected funding authorizations is anathema to these one dimensional and boring conservatives. Same goes when liberals act the same way. Bernie has been able to hew to his theme in the main for more than a decade in office. Not a free pass from me for some of his votes but compared to other choices in the current election cycle, he's the one I'd choose.

By not reading the whole record and looking only at transgressions from the conservative holy writ, Republicans, especially Tea Party Republicans have painted themselves into a corner. Donald Trump is their fave, because he says what they want to hear and he has no record in office.
 

Harrekin

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Exactly, I'm not interested in discussing with Rob his limited understanding of a complex world. Rob is one dimensional and boring.

What Republicans and other conservatives now days have forgotten is how to work with others that have different objectives. Somehow, voting for a handful of bills that are stuffed with disconnected funding authorizations is anathema to these one dimensional and boring conservatives. Same goes when liberals act the same way. Bernie has been able to hew to his theme in the main for more than a decade in office. Not a free pass from me for some of his votes but compared to other choices in the current election cycle, he's the one I'd choose.

By not reading the whole record and looking only at transgressions from the conservative holy writ, Republicans, especially Tea Party Republicans have painted themselves into a corner. Donald Trump is their fave, because he says what they want to hear and he has no record in office.
Both parties are packed with either fake lefties, fake Conservatives (who like gay sex alot more than their platform suggests) or the centre-right that make up the 98%.

Wheres the centre centre?

Time for a new party.
 

OddBall1st

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About half of you know what you're talking about, the other half are full of ignorance and hatred.
It actually made me cry a moment ago literally break down in tears because you're so full of hate, misinformation, and the inability to think, that it is ruining my country.
Vote Democrat and keep everything the same ole, same ole.........
 

pnwmystery

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http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/presidential-campaign/264023-in-blockbuster-poll-sanders-destroys-trump-by-13

Stop the presses! According to a new poll by Quinnipiac University on Tuesday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) destroys Republican candidate Donald Trump in a general election by 13 percentage points. In this new poll, Sanders has 51 percent to Trump's 38 percent. If this margin held in a general election, Democrats would almost certainly regain control of the United States Senate and very possibly the House of Representatives.

Aaand just to rustle some jimmies...

 

Fogdog

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Both parties are packed with either fake lefties, fake Conservatives (who like gay sex alot more than their platform suggests) or the centre-right that make up the 98%.

Wheres the centre centre?

Time for a new party.
I don't understand what's so conservative about, you name it, cutting taxes while raising spending, suppressing people with a different sexual orientation, the war on drugs, invading a country without cause, hurting people at work, polluting the air, water and land, cutting away all old growth forests. I get it, conservatives have a problem with the fact that a poor person, once they are down, need help getting back up. But why are they so punitive about it? To be conservative seems to me to be somebody that wants to conserve:


conserve
[verb kuh n-surv; noun kon-surv, kuh n-surv]
verb (used with object), conserved, conserving.

1. to prevent injury, decay, waste, or loss of:
Conserve your strength for the race.
2. to use or manage (natural resources) wisely; preserve; save:
Conserve the woodlands.

Why do conservatives do exactly the opposite of this? And what is "liberal" about actually conserving. I don't get it.
 

ttystikk

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I don't understand what's so conservative about, you name it, cutting taxes while raising spending, suppressing people with a different sexual orientation, the war on drugs, invading a country without cause, hurting people at work, polluting the air, water and land, cutting away all old growth forests. I get it, conservatives have a problem with the fact that a poor person, once they are down, need help getting back up. But why are they so punitive about it? To be conservative seems to me to be somebody that wants to conserve:


conserve
[verb kuh n-surv; noun kon-surv, kuh n-surv]
verb (used with object), conserved, conserving.

1. to prevent injury, decay, waste, or loss of:
Conserve your strength for the race.
2. to use or manage (natural resources) wisely; preserve; save:
Conserve the woodlands.

Why do conservatives do exactly the opposite of this? And what is "liberal" about actually conserving. I don't get it.
George Orwell would be proud.
 

ttystikk

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ha, good one

War is peace, Freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength, destruction is conservative
He was a genius visionary of the darker side of the human condition, which is why he's so well remembered and widely referred to.

He knew that those who lack education and sophistication will readily be drawn in by ad hominem attacks, values based judgements, simplistic slogans and misdirection.

Sound familiar?

This is WHY the average Republican's IQ is lower than that of Democrats, because the arguments lack logical merit. Thus, two groups emerge; the suckers, who are carefully protected from gaining much real influence, and the smart core who understand the mass manipulation going on and position themselves to take advantage of the situation.

But it doesn't stop there; two more mass manipulations help cement the current power structure. The first is the notion that politics is too rancorous, divisive, angry, remote, complicated, peurile, opaque... name your distasteful adjective and attach it to provide an excuse, to keep as many people as possible FROM voting in the first place.

Artificial barriers to voting are an extreme example of such disenfranchisement, all made possible by the distracted complacency of the average citizen who chooses on some level not to vote.

The second is that the Democratic party has also been manipulated into the same trap and thus has provided little more than difference without distinction. Entertainment- AND pointless rancor, the perfect cocktail to turn off those who are struggling to make ends meet in their own lives- thus disenfranchising themselves. Their new job is to capitulate as much as possible without appearing too obvious about it.

I'm not going to change any minds with this analysis. Simple thinkers will always be drawn to totalitarianism because its perils are not concepts they fully understand or think make a real difference in their quality of life. The hard core 'conservative' already knows I'm right but feels they have something to gain by manipulating their fellows. These are deeply sociopathic and dangerous people, the kind who would pull the lever to kill if it meant a million bucks in their own pocket.
 
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Fogdog

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I think you are giving the "hard core conservative" too much credit. By and large, anybody that self identifies as such are the sucker class.
 

ttystikk

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I think you are giving the "hard core conservative" too much credit. By and large, anybody that self identifies as such are the sucker class.
My terminology may be a bit clumsy; the suckers are the suckers and they sound convinced and intolerant because they are. The 'hard core' I was referring to gives less of a damn about ideology and more about how they can profit by the situation. They aren't suckers; they're the succubi.
 

Harrekin

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My terminology may be a bit clumsy; the suckers are the suckers and they sound convinced and intolerant because they are. The 'hard core' I was referring to gives less of a damn about ideology and more about how they can profit by the situation. They aren't suckers; they're the succubi.
They're two sides of the same shit coin, one just hides things better by offering more crumbs to the serfs.
 

schuylaar

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Exactly, I'm not interested in discussing with Rob his limited understanding of a complex world. Rob is one dimensional and boring.

What Republicans and other conservatives now days have forgotten is how to work with others that have different objectives. Somehow, voting for a handful of bills that are stuffed with disconnected funding authorizations is anathema to these one dimensional and boring conservatives. Same goes when liberals act the same way. Bernie has been able to hew to his theme in the main for more than a decade in office. Not a free pass from me for some of his votes but compared to other choices in the current election cycle, he's the one I'd choose.

By not reading the whole record and looking only at transgressions from the conservative holy writ, Republicans, especially Tea Party Republicans have painted themselves into a corner. Donald Trump is their fave, because he says what they want to hear and he has no record in office.
It's disturbing to see to what level the media blackout has reached..I rarely watch live TV but yesterday caught some MSNBC a discussion in which Sanders should have been referenced is known as 'third faction' commentators and guests appear to have been given direct orders not to mention his name..now that is scarier than a Trump presidency.
 

schuylaar

Well-Known Member
I don't understand what's so conservative about, you name it, cutting taxes while raising spending, suppressing people with a different sexual orientation, the war on drugs, invading a country without cause, hurting people at work, polluting the air, water and land, cutting away all old growth forests. I get it, conservatives have a problem with the fact that a poor person, once they are down, need help getting back up. But why are they so punitive about it? To be conservative seems to me to be somebody that wants to conserve:


conserve
[verb kuh n-surv; noun kon-surv, kuh n-surv]
verb (used with object), conserved, conserving.

1. to prevent injury, decay, waste, or loss of:
Conserve your strength for the race.
2. to use or manage (natural resources) wisely; preserve; save:
Conserve the woodlands.

Why do conservatives do exactly the opposite of this? And what is "liberal" about actually conserving. I don't get it.

The punitive portion is directly from the bible..suffer now; reward in heaven.
 

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
It's disturbing to see to what level the media blackout has reached..I rarely watch live TV but yesterday caught some MSNBC a discussion in which Sanders should have been referenced is known as 'third faction' commentators and guests appear to have been given direct orders not to mention his name..now that is scarier than a Trump presidency.
The Democratic party has also been manipulated into the same trap and thus has provided little more than difference without distinction. Their new job is to capitulate as much as possible without appearing too obvious about it.

Makes sense now doesn't it, when you look at it through the lens of corporate ROI for the expenditures on political influence.
 
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