Padawanbater2
Well-Known Member
Do you care about campaign finance reform?
EXCUSE ME?!..The OFFICIAL Bernie Sanders For President 2016 Thread
- Thread starter schuylaar
- Start date
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
that's exactly why i am voting for hillary and a democratic congress.
londonfog
Well-Known Member
My vote is to control the SCOTUS
londonfog
Well-Known Member
are you voting for Trump? He started out saying BOOOOOO to campaign money
Padawanbater2
Well-Known Member
What incentive does Clinton or a democratic congress who've both benefitted from the current campaign finance system have to change it and what reason would you have to trust they would?
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
reason: compare against the alternative
Padawanbater2
Well-Known Member
Sanders supports campaign finance reform, did you vote for him or Clinton in the primary?
UncleBuck
Well-Known Member
we had a caucus. my wife caucused for hillary. i was too tired from work that day to go and had trimming to do anyway.
hillary and bernie are basically 93% the same though, so i trust she will carry the torch just fine.
londonfog
Well-Known Member
Hell one of Sanders biggest supporters did not even vote for Bernie. ROTFL
Padawanbater2
Well-Known Member
If you genuinely cared about campaign finance reform, Sanders was your alternative. Neither Clinton nor Trump will accomplish anything in the way of campaign finance reform and we will be right back here where we started for the 2020/2024 election
Sanders did win CO so I can't fault you too much
Big_Lou
Well-Known Member
Ehhhh, I dunno, man....I HOPE this is the case, but Hillary is not above being bought out and this concerns me.
Either way, at the end of the day she is the obvious choice over Drumpf, but that's not saying a whole hell of a lot.
Ha! Gotchya!
londonfog
Well-Known Member
yeah he actually voted Yea on the 1994 crime bill.Basically the same?
I wonder why he never apologize for that shit? He even said how it would hurt certain people, but Yea he did vote.
londonfog
Well-Known Member
yeah he actually voted Yea on the 1994 crime bill.Basically the same?
I wonder why he never apologize for that shit? He even said how it would hurt certain people, but Yea he did vote.
Fogdog
Well-Known Member
I'm starting to come around on this. We keep getting this hype about Hillary being some modern day Bathory. And I dismiss that.
Then there is the stuff about Wall Street and her vote on the Iraq War. I get that. She is definitely not where I am regarding policies to roll back the wealth of the 1% or her interventionist policies.
Most of the other stuff is about what Bernie propounds. Can we expect her to get that stuff done? I don't know but could we expect the same from Bernie? Did Obama deliver on his promises? All I can say about that is time will tell but lessons from Washington fortend that without a cooperative Congress, we can't expect everything to get done.
Two things I like about Hillary are: She is able to read what the electorate wants and is not so principled that she can't change direction if it becomes obvious the electorate doesn't want it. A president who will follow the will of the people seems like a good thing to me. The other is she is tough and resilient. We will see an activist president who will press every advantage she has to do what she deems necessary. People who don't like that get run over.
Bernie on the other hand won't get run over and will be a tempering influence. I think the two have a great future together.
Padawanbater2
Well-Known Member
And if he didn't, you'd be here complaining about how much Sanders hates women
abandonconflict
Well-Known Member
Who said anything about her laughing? See, we can be friendly about our disagreement over Clinton, i don't have a problem with her supporters like I do with Trump's. However, you should argue more honestly instead of the RobRoyesque distortions. I never mentioned her laughing, yet your counterargument hinges on the meme about her laughing. The problem with partisanship is that you don't take the time to explicate an argument for its nuance, you just treat everyone like a republican. Could it be that the left actually hates her? You should be more open minded. Don't just blindly defend her because you hate Trump.
She said, in court, that the 12 year old girl made up the rape story because she enjoyed fantasizing about older men. It is classic victim blaming, which she knew about, because she handled the shorts with her own experts, exploiting the mistake that the prosecution made with key evidence.
If you had defended her by saying she did her job, I might not have had a retort aside from my enduring disdain, yet instead you used a distortion in order to attempt to discredit the accusation that a self proclaimed feminist engaged in classic victim blaming against a 12 year old who was raped, resulting in a rapist receiving a two month sentence. That is abhorrent. I despise Hillary Clinton. Don't even get me started on her warmongering.
ttystikk
Well-Known Member
I want to vote FOR someone, as opposed to against someone. 'Cuz Chump!!!!' Isn't a sufficient argument for my vote.
There is a candidate who espouses many of my positions about how this country should be governed. He deserves the support of everyone who would benefit from his policies, which not coincidentally would be the vast majority of us.
An investigation of the reasons why he isn't likely to get it is to stare into the very heart of darkness that is the shell game of American politics.
It's been insinuated that a vote for Bernie would be wasted because of voting irregularities and outright fraud. I find this line of thinking paranoid... or, in light of all that's already gone before, is it really?