Exhausting Into Sewer

kevin said:

you would have to find a fool proof way to make sure the air kept a 1 way flow. you wouldn't want the methane gas coming back in the house. not worth the risk if you ask me. but what about the vent stacks and blow it out to the top of the building?

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Yes, you would have to find a foolproof way of preventing the gas from coming into the structure. I think an inline fan would do it. Sewer gas contains methane but not in concentrations that one would generally call dangerous. Not flamable, certainly not explosive. It stinks of course but dangerous, MMMM.............not really. Not here anyway.
Venting out of a vent stack kind of defeats the purpose of the heat register signature being detected although generally would be a better idea than say out a wall as a vent stack could be anything really as far as a heat signature is concerned. Don't really understand the risk per say. What risk? Gas?? You would get the same gas coming in if a P-trap was alowed to dry up. No big deal really, just open a window. Or not Think about it, have you ever heard of a house blowing up because of sewer gas?? No you have not, nor will you ever. If that was the case the entire plumbing scheme as it exists today would be untennable. Code would not allow for even the slightest possibility of houses blowing up because a p-trap dried up. So please let's not bring this up again. it's ignorant at best, stupid at worst. I am not the first or only one to think of this, I know that now as said in my opening paragraph it is as I thought it might be. But this is a great idea and could be usefull in the right situation. Like a stealth closet for example. If anyone has something constructive to offer, preferably something that makes sense or is based on relevant facts then please let's hear what you have to say. If your only thrill in life is pissing in someone else's picnic basket then don't blame me for calling you a "DICKWAD" I just call em as I see em.

Rather be a dickhead than shit head. But then again, I live in a state where it is legal to grow...hence I don't have to push air into my shit pipe. (which I hear people from Idaho are prone to do)

Actually, I live in socal, have a legal grow and don't really have to push air down my shitpipe either. I was building a room addition onto the house and ran an extention of the mainline sewer for the new bathroom. It has an end of line cleanout at the back of the house. Just about where I'm thinkin about building an undergroundgrow room. So I got to thinkin about how to outfit this room in the most stealthy ways I can. Since the 4" mainline sewer is only about 50 feet or so, maby a little more, away from the much larger City sewer main, (what maby 36" pipe) it seemed like a natural to simply exaust all the fumes and hot air into that sewer main. The cleanout would end up being at the top of the room since the cleanout is at about three feet below grade right now. Perfect. Since I am in the middle of a construction project nowwould be a perfect time to build that room. No one would think twice about a backhoe working in my back yard. been doin it for days now with the City's blessing. Inspectors don't come unless they are called and the neighbor minds his own so WTF. My only concern at the moment is A. the cost to make a 10 X 15 grow room underground and B. the time it would take to build it without getting caught by the inspector half way through.
I thought it sounded pretty cool myself and I get a little pissy when some fuckhead who doesn't even bother to explain his position tells me it's a "shitty idea"
He gives no reason because he has none. He just knows that if your idea is not mainstream then it's a shitty one because he has no imagination and therefore must ridicule others who do because that makes him feel good. Well I say "go fuck yourself" I'm a dickhead or shithead or whatever you want to call me...............uh huh.
I'm 58 years old, I've been called every name you can think of by people like you and your butt buddy so many times it has truly lost any impact so piss off unless you have something constructive to add. If I am calling this wrong then really I do opologize but half of the responses to questions raised by people really just trying to entertain themselves and maby learn a few things also are answered by losers whos only thrill seems to be telling someone else why their qestion sucks or why it can't be done etc.
It gets old that's all. What's wrong with a little encouragement or positive responses. you don't have to agree. But you don't have to just stop in and post a comment like "that's a shitty idea" I know he was trying to be funny, I get that but for fucks sake ...........................whatever

*BUDS said:

Bad idea. That methane issue is real. Ive heard of a guy having his ass blown off while taking a relaxing crap.

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Dude, try reading something other than the globe or whatever those magazines are call at the cash register of the grocery store. They are for stupid, gullable fat old ladies to read. Really guy, those stories are made up. You can't be that gullable are you? Serious guy, it's better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open it and leave no dought. I just made that up, yeah that's the ticket. you are a PERFECT example of the guy that I am talking about. FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUck

Iam a plumber....every house has what we call a "back vent" or roof vent...you have to have this so your line will drain... you could still smell it outside if the wind hit it just right ...bad idea in my opinion...just get a good charcoal filter

grizlbr said:

Apartment maintenance vent to the down hill side of the P trap. That will vent to the sewer side not up the vent: stealth put a dryer exhaust flapper to seal the stack vent. County did a test with smoke pressure test was a trip watching smoke come out all the functional vent stacks! Flush : Toilets only vent inside when bowl trap is empty.

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Positive, well thought out, encouraging, intelligent..............................ya takin notes there dribble?

+ rep to you grizlbear

Dr. Greenthum said:

Iam a plumber....every house has what we call a "back vent" or roof vent...you have to have this so your line will drain... you could still smell it outside if the wind hit it just right ...bad idea in my opinion...just get a good charcoal filter

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Yeah, your right on that. No way of controlling which vent it goes out other than the path of least resistance which in my case happens to be a straight shot to the main.
I have a filter that was so figgin heavy I litterally pulled my back out carying down to the grow room. Have yet to use it as I am currently growing outdoors. My garden has the most wondeerfull smell about it these days LOL. No shit, working on the addition and getting nice wiffs of fresh bud. God I love it.
anyway, what you say is true enough and worth consideration. +rep for you sir

This thread just keeps getting better and better. Just keep digging. I'm SURE that your building inspector will NEVER notice a 150 sq hole in the ground. And what? Your just going to put plywood and dirt over the top? Your going to have awesome flow through 50' of sludge filled pipe. No resistance to flow there.

BTW. Before you start telling people they are
Complete idiots you might run a little thing called spell check.

I dought (sic) you have really thought this through. But then again, dumber thing have been attempted.

OK, so do ya want me to tell ya how I was gonna pull this off or should I start by tellin ya how your Uncle keeps pullin the nose off your face and puttin it back on?

Most of the people that frequent a site devoted to tutoring people on how to subvert State and Federal laws regarding Drug Enforcement are not going to be afraid of a getting caught diggin a fuckin hole in therir back yard. You may be Flyin legal but some of us are rollin dirty. Grow a Pair

And my not knowin where spell check is don't make you less of a dickwad Dickwad

doser said:

Yes, you would have to find a foolproof way of preventing the gas from coming into the structure. I think an inline fan would do it. Sewer gas contains methane but not in concentrations that one would generally call dangerous. Not flamable, certainly not explosive. It stinks of course but dangerous, MMMM.............not really. Not here anyway.
Venting out of a vent stack kind of defeats the purpose of the heat register signature being detected although generally would be a better idea than say out a wall as a vent stack could be anything really as far as a heat signature is concerned. Don't really understand the risk per say. What risk? Gas?? You would get the same gas coming in if a P-trap was alowed to dry up. No big deal really, just open a window. Or not Think about it, have you ever heard of a house blowing up because of sewer gas?? No you have not, nor will you ever. If that was the case the entire plumbing scheme as it exists today would be untennable. Code would not allow for even the slightest possibility of houses blowing up because a p-trap dried up. So please let's not bring this up again. it's ignorant at best, stupid at worst. I am not the first or only one to think of this, I know that now as said in my opening paragraph it is as I thought it might be. But this is a great idea and could be usefull in the right situation. Like a stealth closet for example. If anyone has something constructive to offer, preferably something that makes sense or is based on relevant facts then please let's hear what you have to say. If your only thrill in life is pissing in someone else's picnic basket then don't blame me for calling you a "DICKWAD" I just call em as I see em.

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not dangerous, what, methane in the sewer, dont talk a lot of unadulterated crap, the methane in the sewer will fucking kill you stone fucking dead, we use meters, alarms and even breathing aparatus in the sewers, one day the gas in the sewer is below dangerous levels, the next day it will kill you if you are in there for 3 minutes, be warned methane has no smell.

dont vent it in to the foul sewer, vent it in to the storm sewer, there are two different sewers, one which leads down from your roof gutterings to below ground is the storm sewer, the man hole covers are marked F or S.

This is really getting frustrating. No where have I suggested that anyone should stick their fricking head into a sewer and breath deep. Where are you coming up with that shit?
I stand by my statement that the amount of methane that would leak out of a four inch pipe with a fucking fan exhausting hot air through it is not dangerous.
How many buildings are being built every day that have stoned dry pipe (no water in the p-traps) with entire crews working in that same building.
I'm not talking about lowering a guy into the sewer to do whatever. I'm talking about putting a 4" fan on the high end of a line and exhausting INTO not out of the pipe.
If you waant to compare credentials, I am certain I got ya beat my friend. I know what I'm talkin about, are you sure you do?

You know how when you see a bunch of guys cutting a 12 " sewer line so that they can install a new manhole and there are five guys in the hole and one guy is standing on the pavement tellin em what to do? Yeah, that was me.

doser

so you are saying what, dont fucking tell me about sewers, i have worked in the worst fucking sewers in the uk, and repaired them, i even saw one explode and blow every fucking cast iron man hole cover off for over a mile, there was a serious gas leak developed in a street during the night, the gas main was ruptured, and natural gas is heavier than air, it creeps along the ground and drops in to any thing open like a trench or a hole and fills it up with gas and stays there, well someone, probably fucking you, left an open man hole they were working on and had rigged up a steel fence around it until they commenced work the next day, the gas crept in to the 36" sewer line all night and in the morning something or someone caused the gas to ignite at about 8.20am i was sitting in my car and the fucking noise was deafening when it went off, one of the cast iron man hole covers just missed the car i was sitting in, i thought the fucking world had come to an end. the problem was the natural gas was easy to ignite and when it ignited it lit the methane too and the whole lot went up like a fucking nuclear bomb. it took us 3 months to repair that sewer line and in the meantime we had to divert all the sewage from the area using clip pipes and pumping stations. and it cost the tax payer a 7 figure sum.

i was called to an emergency sewer problem in scotland street in glasgow scotland, some person was cutting the road with a huge circular road saw, the big industrial ones with a 4 foot blade, that will cut through tar, and cobble stones and concrete etc, he cut through the 25,000 volt cable for the underground electric railway which was right next to one of our manholes, the resulting explosion bursting through the side of the main sewer and again igniting the methane gas in the sewer and blowing all the man hole covers off, only this guy was not so lucky, him and his melted work boots were found about 40 feet away and he was stone dead, his hands were also melted, again the tax payer forked out 6 figures to repair the main sewer.

OK, so just for clarity here I want you to tell everybody who visits this site what project that you were on or have ever heard of that involved a four inch residential sewer line where the guy working on the job was suited up in emergency extraction equipment and breathing apparatus. Just the thought of that just busts me up but go ahead MR. Fucking expert lay some of that wisdom on us.
Technically, you are right, I'll give you that. Methane is poisonous gas. It is a fact however and if you can prove me wrong on this I will blow you twice that nobody has ever set on a toilet and lit a cigarette and blew his ass up. Also a fact that the methane gas comming out of a sewer stinks. You need only stick your nose into the vent at the top of your house to confirm this ergo if you walk into a house where the p-trap has dried up therebye allowing sewer gas to enter the house you are most likely going to smell it long before it kills you.
What the fuck is missing in your life that you feel to need to hyperventilate and scream the sky is falling simply because someone suggests that if you are growing a little pot and you want to exhaust some fumes a likely place to consider might be that cleanout in the closet behind the spare bath.
I must confess that when I started this thread I really was not looking for advice. Honestly I don't know what anyone could tell me about sewers and such that I don't already know. That's not bragging, I can't imagine why anyone would brag about such a thing. It's just that I have spent 40 years building everything from doghouses to baseball stadiums and spent the last ten years of my career as an estimator for two major engineering outfits. I know of what I speak and when I don't I am perfectly willing to admit it.
Mostly I just wanted to smoke a bowl and shoot the shit about growing and growrooms and the like. Not a lot of opportunities to do that in my life with the crowd I run with.
Then I run into buttplugs like you. WTF

Do that kid in Kansas that you just scared the fuck out of a favor and tell him that you exagerated the dangers of plumbing. For krpes sake the kid will never feel comfortable takin a shit again. You have robbed him of one of lifes better moments. Man up!! admit your full of it

Also I got a hen pheasant that has taken up residence in my garden and she looks lonely so if anyone has a cok pheasant that is horny I can prolly hook him up.

doser said:

OK, so just for clarity here I want you to tell everybody who visits this site what project that you were on or have ever heard of that involved a four inch residential sewer line where the guy working on the job was suited up in emergency extraction equipment and breathing apparatus. Just the thought of that just busts me up but go ahead MR. Fucking expert lay some of that wisdom on us.
Technically, you are right, I'll give you that. Methane is poisonous gas. It is a fact however and if you can prove me wrong on this I will blow you twice that nobody has ever set on a toilet and lit a cigarette and blew his ass up. Also a fact that the methane gas comming out of a sewer stinks. You need only stick your nose into the vent at the top of your house to confirm this ergo if you walk into a house where the p-trap has dried up therebye allowing sewer gas to enter the house you are most likely going to smell it long before it kills you.
What the fuck is missing in your life that you feel to need to hyperventilate and scream the sky is falling simply because someone suggests that if you are growing a little pot and you want to exhaust some fumes a likely place to consider might be that cleanout in the closet behind the spare bath.
I must confess that when I started this thread I really was not looking for advice. Honestly I don't know what anyone could tell me about sewers and such that I don't already know. That's not bragging, I can't imagine why anyone would brag about such a thing. It's just that I have spent 40 years building everything from doghouses to baseball stadiums and spent the last ten years of my career as an estimator for two major engineering outfits. I know of what I speak and when I don't I am perfectly willing to admit it.
Mostly I just wanted to smoke a bowl and shoot the shit about growing and growrooms and the like. Not a lot of opportunities to do that in my life with the crowd I run with.
Then I run into buttplugs like you. WTF

Do that kid in Kansas that you just scared the fuck out of a favor and tell him that you exagerated the dangers of plumbing. For krpes sake the kid will never feel comfortable takin a shit again. You have robbed him of one of lifes better moments. Man up!! admit your full of it

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1, methane does not fucking stink, the shit in the sewer does, methane can smell like rotting vegetation, it can smell like rotting flesh, and it can have no smell, it is the rotting core the gas is coming from you are smelling, not the gas itself, sometimes it has totally no smell.

2, you stick a fan on your sewer line blowing air in to the sewer is going to cause a problem somewhere, it may be the fan itself may fail you then have an open sewer leading in to your home all night and methane takes no prisoners when it creeps up and poisons you.

3, there is only one butt plug here and that is the one with the fucking cock stuck in his mouth, talking about a gas that he worked with that is highly poisonous, and highly explosive and telling people to vent in to the area where the gasses are controlled, why dont the whole fucking world just vent in to the sewer, what then, get a grip you fucking idiot and give good advice to people, stay away from the sewer, if you can afford a fan, you can afford a carbon filter.

doser said:

Also I got a hen pheasant that has taken up residence in my garden and she looks lonely so if anyone has a cok pheasant that is horny I can prolly hook him up.

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take your hen pheasant by the scruff of the fucking neck and give it a good wring for me.

OK, Steaphanie, I just read your last post. sorry I missed it before I posted up because this explains eveything.
First off, you're a fucking inspector aren't you. That would explain the logic or lack thereof. Second, you're a woman Inspector. That, in of itself explains my question about what is going on in your life that you need to pump yourself up and make yourself feel important. Never met a woman on a job that knew shit from shinola. Shinola is boot polish for all you people that are goin Whaaat.
If I ever decide to hire a 40 foot saw to cut a hole in my grow room, You're the gal I'm gonna call.

I'm all up into safety here in my own private Idaho