Experienced Electrician! Here to Answer Any and All Growroom Electrical Questions

a dog named chico

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^^nothing about that sounds right, just my 2 cents, you dont have any power already going to the basement?
OHH yea thanks for the DIY, that is the exact light i have this should be simple
 

BigBudBalls

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Hello, is it safe to lower an extension chord through a furnace vent to the basement? I would connect it to a power surge and power 600w, fans, and blower.
Plenum cable is rated for such things. Its rating it based on the fumes it gives off when burned.
 

BigBudBalls

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Bubbz are you a master ? (well did u pass the master test in US?) if so my hat is off to you.
anyways , i have one for ya. How in the hell can i run a ballast @ 240 with only 2 120 phases :confused:. ? Is it even possible? I have tried a couple different ways but i dont think it is possible to get 240 on a single wire without some kind of transformer ?
I'm not an electrician. More engineering side of things.
But 2 phases of 120 that are 180 degrees out of phase is 240. (relative to each other but will still be 120 relative to ground)
Just measure from hot #1 to hot #2 and it should be 240.
If its 0 Then you are measuring 2 120 lines from the same phase (as long as each measures 120 to ground)

US 220 household is called single phase. But this is an incorrect nomenclature. The power is 2 phase, the the device is seeing and using the power as single phase. (hence the dumbed down name of single phase. Makes it simpler for the electrician reading a nameplate of a device)
 

emptypockets7

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From what i understand, you should be good as long as the volts of the adapter matches the fan. They consume so little power that it really shouldn't matter.....

is my assessment incorrect? anyone?
You want to find an adapter that is exactly 12v. If you use anything less, you'll never get maximum fan speed. Usually any old cell phone charger works, but I've found that router adapters are best because they usually have a higher amperage. Just make sure the combined amps on the fans (if doing multiple fans) add up to a number less than the amps on the charger. For instance, if your charger is only 500 mA (milliamp) and the fan (or combination of fans) is 600 mA it won't work; the fan draws more power than the adapter can supply. It shouldn't be too much of a problem if you use the power supply from an old router... They usually get in the range of 1000 mA (1 amp). If you see any markings on the adapter, just remember this example to decipher amps

1000 millamps = 1 amp

270 milliamps = .27 amp

Also, the only wires you need to concern yourself with are Red and Black... The white will be irrelevant. I've used PC fans like this many times and they can actually provide quite a bit of cheap, quiet air movement... They even can be used for exhaust, as seen here https://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/203346-stealth-freezer-grow-male-female.htmlhttps://www.rollitup.org/cfl-growing/203346-stealth-freezer-grow-male-female.html
Thanks for the help guys. I found a few adapters and hooked one to each fan. I might check them out to see if I can just run one adapter for both fans. These fans are SUPER quiet. I have them in my closet and with the door shut they're silent and with it open, they're silenced by music in the room or cars going by on the highway. Now I just need to fix my light leaks. The best part is they each have L-M-H settings so I can control the speed/noise.
 

romano

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If a ballast says it takes a m59 or h33 < not sure about the 33 ... but doesnt this mean it can take either a metal halide AND a hps . It takes hps now for sure, and It also is labeled to take M59 but I dont see a switch on the ballast to go from one to the other???THanks
 

sir rance alot

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AMPERAGE VERSUS WATTAGE.
Ohm,s law still pertains to ballast operated lighting? I have three 150w HPS lights which total 450w. HOWEVER, the ballast for each light draws 3.2 amps of current. If ohm,s law is true, and it ALWAYS is, my total current draw of 9.6 amps gets multiplied by the voltage which is 120. Total wattage being billed by my electric company is a staggering 1152 watts for just three little 150w HPS lights. After researching too little too late, AS ALL NEWBIES DO!, I found that a 400w HPS ballast only draws around 4 amps or around 450 to 480 watts. LESSON? I could have two 400w HPS systems, four 5000 kelvin 100w cfl's (23w actual), and a 100cfm exhaust fan for the same electricity cost as three tiny 150w hps bulbs. I think Im gonna be sick.. Money only sucks when its wasted.
 

Wohjew

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hi i got an elecrical question about my dryer plug which is ona fuse ( 2 of them @40amp ea) . the dryers plug has 2 flat prongs and 1 angled prong and 1 ground prong. Q:1 why is the prong angled Q:2 can i replace outlet with a range outlet(3 flat prongs and ground). id like to convert soon to 220/240v. and use a switch board for lighting , thanks if you can help bongsmilie
 

wyteboi

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hi i got an elecrical question about my dryer plug which is ona fuse ( 2 of them @40amp ea) . the dryers plug has 2 flat prongs and 1 angled prong and 1 ground prong. Q:1 why is the prong angled Q:2 can i replace outlet with a range outlet(3 flat prongs and ground). id like to convert soon to 220/240v. and use a switch board for lighting , thanks if you can help bongsmilie
You need to know what gauge wire is going to that dryer plug first. If is only 10g wire then you will have to get a 30amp plug (dryer or range it dont matter , although most ranges use bigger then 10g wire)
the "style" of plug does not matter either.
(you should be able to get a cord to plug right in to the existing plug, that would be best)
 

wyteboi

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Just measure from hot #1 to hot #2 and it should be 240.
yea , i understand that, and it is 240, but how do i get 240 to that ballast? since i can not get 240 on one phase then do i put 120 on the 240 leg of ballast and the other 120 on the "common" leg? (the common is currently my neutral and the 120 goes to the 120 leg of ballast)
i already tried running 120 to the 120 leg and 120 to the 240 leg and the neutral to the common leg but that did not work....
 

growwwww

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Mr electrician, could you please glance at my thread i asked about wiring the light fittings im in UK but i just nearly killed myself doing something...something ufcked up somewhere im so sure its very simple!
 

Wohjew

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thanks for the reply, i will just keep the same plug, why is there 2 40 amp fuses in there , can i get 80 amps 220v from there ? lol i think not . so im assuming off that dryer outlet i can get 30amps 220 v MAX! plz correct me if im wrong , thankls:blsmoke:
 

smellzlikeskunkyum

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i see alot of chit chat and no help what happened to answering questions??? this is under grow room design, not general chit chat.

i have a question about a setup using cfl's and weather or not i can use them how i want to, with out having to add a line.
a quick short question would be... can you have 8 100W replacement CFL's, all wired together, safely in one receptical. a friend of mine a with only a mild electrical background thinks i need to have a new line coming in and install a junction box and go from there. if thats what i have to do, im screwed. the house's electrical is pretty shitty and it would be way too much hassle to install a new line. im hoping i can just go ghetto and use an exisiting receptical otherwise this set up is useless.... i have a 600w hps i cant use, so if nothing else ill figure out how to use that i geuss.... i dont know what to do.

thx ahead of time.... this is the second time ive asked so i REALLY appriciate ANY help at all. :)
 

curioushiker

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i see alot of chit chat and no help what happened to answering questions??? this is under grow room design, not general chit chat.

i have a question about a setup using cfl's and weather or not i can use them how i want to, with out having to add a line.
a quick short question would be... can you have 8 100W replacement CFL's, all wired together, safely in one receptical. a friend of mine a with only a mild electrical background thinks i need to have a new line coming in and install a junction box and go from there. if thats what i have to do, im screwed. the house's electrical is pretty shitty and it would be way too much hassle to install a new line. im hoping i can just go ghetto and use an exisiting receptical otherwise this set up is useless.... i have a 600w hps i cant use, so if nothing else ill figure out how to use that i geuss.... i dont know what to do.

thx ahead of time.... this is the second time ive asked so i REALLY appriciate ANY help at all. :)
Really? Cause I have seen mulitple replies to questions from mainly Three or Four members. It takes mucho mucho time to respond to the questions here. If your question was skipped maybe try to copy and paste it again. Things can get lost in a hurry here.
 

mrmadcow

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......a quick short question would be... can you have 8 100W replacement CFL's, all wired together, safely in one receptical. a friend of mine a with only a mild electrical background thinks i need to have a new line coming in and install a junction box and go from there......... :)
I assume you mean bulbs that are equivalent to a 100 watt incandesent light but only draw about 25 watts.if so,no problem -8 will draw less than 2 amps so its like plugging a small TV into the outlet.
if you are talking about 8 bulbs drawing 100 watts each,it might be a problem depending on what else is on the breaker that your outlet is attached to. you will be drawing about 7 amps.the outlet is most likely rated for 15 amps but several others will be on the same breaker so if you plug a vacum (or toaster)into another outlet on the same breaker,you will overload it.
 

curioushiker

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i see alot of chit chat and no help what happened to answering questions??? this is under grow room design, not general chit chat.

i have a question about a setup using cfl's and weather or not i can use them how i want to, with out having to add a line.
a quick short question would be... can you have 8 100W replacement CFL's, all wired together, safely in one receptical. a friend of mine a with only a mild electrical background thinks i need to have a new line coming in and install a junction box and go from there. if thats what i have to do, im screwed. the house's electrical is pretty shitty and it would be way too much hassle to install a new line. im hoping i can just go ghetto and use an exisiting receptical otherwise this set up is useless.... i have a 600w hps i cant use, so if nothing else ill figure out how to use that i geuss.... i dont know what to do.

thx ahead of time.... this is the second time ive asked so i REALLY appriciate ANY help at all. :)
Sorry dude. I am such an asshole. I only read the first line of your post.
Again, sorry for jumping the gun.
 

mrmadcow

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...... but how do i get 240 to that ballast?.....
give me some time to dig up an old ballast to try. last time I told you to hook 1 leg to the 220 tap & the other to the common but a buddy told me that is wrong.he says 1 leg to the 110,1 to the 220 & nothing to the common but neutral goes to the lamp common. Im not sure which is right so I will dig up an old ballast & experiment. might take me to the weekend to find time to dig out an old ballast & try it...mc
 
I just found out that the room I am growing in is wired to 2 20amp brkers and in the room is 1 plug, 1 switch, now my question is can i split off of the plug ,and how many plugs can i use.2nd question is that im useing 3 40watt flors for my veg room.im installing a bath fan for my exhuast which is 0.9amps ,small house fan for air movement and also two small pumps that will soon be on timers.not to mention a 400 hps that will be in my flowering area.Now keep in mind i cant change any wiring going into the room cause it comes from underground out side and i cant trace it .I really need someones help and I saw you along the growing highway.lol.oh and does a surge protector protect going both ways in and out or only the shit thats pluged in it.
 

400Whps

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I just found out that the room I am growing in is wired to 2 20amp brkers and in the room is 1 plug, 1 switch, now my question is can i split off of the plug ,and how many plugs can i use.2nd question is that im useing 3 40watt flors for my veg room.im installing a bath fan for my exhuast which is 0.9amps ,small house fan for air movement and also two small pumps that will soon be on timers.not to mention a 400 hps that will be in my flowering area.Now keep in mind i cant change any wiring going into the room cause it comes from underground out side and i cant trace it .I really need someones help and I saw you along the growing highway.lol.oh and does a surge protector protect going both ways in and out or only the shit thats pluged in it.
curious aswell,
 

wyteboi

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give me some time to dig up an old ballast to try. last time I told you to hook 1 leg to the 220 tap & the other to the common but a buddy told me that is wrong.he says 1 leg to the 110,1 to the 220 & nothing to the common but neutral goes to the lamp common. Im not sure which is right so I will dig up an old ballast & experiment. might take me to the weekend to find time to dig out an old ballast & try it...mc
thanks alot for your help dcow :joint:
i also have a couple good 400's somewhere , but no bulbs to try with and i dont really wanna try with my "setup".

I have already decided the bill will still be the same either way ,(always thought less amps = less bill :dunce:) so i probably wont run it 220 but i have wanted to know the answer to this question for 2 years now, so its kinda a "mission" now :mrgreen:

funny cause my buddy said your way (1 leg to common) will probably work.
hmmm.. if i separate my common on ballast from common on lamp and then run 1 leg to 120 or 240 leg and other to common leg on ballast only , it might work.
i already tried 1 leg to 120 and other to 240 but i also had the neutral hooked up to all commons ? (lamp and ballast commons are tied together from factory)

Anyways i also learned that the only benefit from running 220 , would be that you can run double the lights without upgrading the service.
 
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