Extra fox farms nutes worth it?

Rmaclaren

Rmaclaren

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right now I use the fox farms trio along with bembe sweet and dande afew weeks of flower and every once and awhile I add great white mycorrhiza. I was wondering if it would really be worth it to invest in the bush doctor kelp me kelp you and wholly mackerel to use along with big bloom and grow big during veg. I was hoping to find another liquid bloom booster instead of just using tiger bloom to build buds but from what I’ve read you only use kelp and wholly mackerel during veg? I kind of feel like pumping 4 different products into my plants during veg is alittle over kill, that being said I only ever use half the amount of the maximum recommended dosages on the bottles. Any insight? I was also thinking of scrapping the bush doctor idea and using big bud by AN along with big bloom tiger bloom and bembe. My plants always have vigorous growth during veg with my current set up but so far have been making flowers at a very slow and almost disappointing pace.
 
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Hempire828

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I have the same question.. i think honestly, is to do a side by side... w and w/o...and to a degree I believe it works.. hell I dunn burnt up enough plants with it...before
 
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growingforfun

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Rmaclaren said:
right now I use the fox farms trio along with bembe sweet and dande afew weeks of flower and every once and awhile I add great white mycorrhiza. I was wondering if it would really be worth it to invest in the bush doctor kelp me kelp you and wholly mackerel to use along with big bloom and grow big during veg. I was hoping to find another liquid bloom booster instead of just using tiger bloom to build buds but from what I’ve read you only use kelp and wholly mackerel during veg? I kind of feel like pumping 4 different products into my plants during veg is alittle over kill, that being said I only ever use half the amount of the maximum recommended dosages on the bottles. Any insight? I was also thinking of scrapping the bush doctor idea and using big bud by AN along with big bloom tiger bloom and bembe. My plants always have vigorous growth during veg with my current set up but so far have been making flowers at a very slow and almost disappointing pace.
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Imo fox farms is a waste of money. Kinda a lot of money to spend and it's nothing special imo.
I do great spending 14$ a year on a dry 1 part. That 14$ replaces spending well over 1k$ on hype nutrients.
 
Rmaclaren

Rmaclaren

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Hempire828 said:
I have the same question.. i think honestly, is to do a side by side... w and w/o...and to a degree I believe it works.. hell I dunn burnt up enough plants with it...before
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Hahaha burning plants is part of the reason I only ever use half of the max recommended feeding. The other reason is I’ve heard a lot they tell you to give the plant more nutes, even though it’s unnecessary, to help move they’re fertilizer off the shelves faster.
 
Rmaclaren

Rmaclaren

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growingforfun said:
Imo fox farms is a waste of money. Kinda a lot of money to spend and it's nothing special imo.
I do great spending 14$ a year on a dry 1 part. That 14$ replaces spending well over 1k$ on hype nutrients.
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No offense but right now I’m trying to make my own good liquid nutrient regime with ff. A lot of my growing friends have been trying to get me to do amended soil and compost tea instead of what I’ve been doing so far this season. Compost tea and the concept of true organic and living soil and all that good stuff is something I’m definitely going to consider experimenting with at some point but right now I’m concentrating on my liquid fertilizer schedule and trying to make it the best it can be in my own way without buying the whole line up and am looking for some advice from personal experience of the product. So far I’ve only spent ~250 on nutrients for the past 4 months, my guess is what I produce will be well worth the money, not to say organic growing wouldn’t do better or as good.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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NO!

FF nutes do work but, rather suck really......Don't like the formulation and they chart it for flowers, not cannabis.

Botanicare KIND or PRO... simple gro and bloom with the KIND. 3 parts. I do add some K sulfate and some Mg sulfate during early to mid bloom then stop them.
All you need...

Less is more!
 
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Hempire828

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Dr. Who said:
NO!

FF nutes do work but, rather suck really......Don't like the formulation and they chart it for flowers, not cannabis.

Botanicare KIND or PRO... simple gro and bloom with the KIND. 3 parts. I do add some K sulfate and some Mg sulfate during early to mid bloom then stop them.
All you need...

Less is more!
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Time to make the switch... will this work for coco coir...wanna give it a go
 
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growingforfun

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Rmaclaren said:
No offense but right now I’m trying to make my own good liquid nutrient regime with ff. A lot of my growing friends have been trying to get me to do amended soil and compost tea instead of what I’ve been doing so far this season. Compost tea and the concept of true organic and living soil and all that good stuff is something I’m definitely going to consider experimenting with at some point but right now I’m concentrating on my liquid fertilizer schedule and trying to make it the best it can be in my own way without buying the whole line up and am looking for some advice from personal experience of the product. So far I’ve only spent ~250 on nutrients for the past 4 months, my guess is what I produce will be well worth the money, not to say organic growing wouldn’t do better or as good.
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No offense taken, but you misunderstand me. I dont mean organic nutrients, I mean dry salts.
Keep in mind liquid chem nutrients are just dry salt nutrients plus water with a higher price tag. My 1kg jar is enough for me to mix up around 1000 gallons of nutrient mix.
And according to the feedback I've gotten the taste is as good or better than before when I would buy all the additives and mix them up and try to tailor it to the plants stage of growth.
You may "only" save 750$ a year, but shaving costs where I can I figure I'm saving around 3k a year and growing as much as ever. Over the last 2 years I've noticed the benifit a lot.
I just try to pass it on when I can, I know as well as anyone how easy it is to justify over spending on this.
 
Nabbers

Nabbers

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I started out with the Fox Farms, but I do all organic now. Even before this I even got away from the liquid stuff a while ago. You can get the synthetic stuff in dry form as well. I had good results with Megacrop - there's a thread here in the forums for that one and it's specifically designed for our crop. When you're buying something already in liquid form, you're paying a lot for them shipping around water weight, and water weighs a lot. Might as well buy the salts and add your own water you can buy at the store for a dollar a gallon. Don't get sucked in by good marketing.
 
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growingforfun

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Nabbers said:
I started out with the Fox Farms, but I do all organic now. Even before this I even got away from the liquid stuff a while ago. You can get the synthetic stuff in dry form as well. I had good results with Megacrop - there's a thread here in the forums for that one and it's specifically designed for our crop. When you're buying something already in liquid form, you're paying a lot for them shipping around water weight, and water weighs a lot. Might as well buy the salts and add your own water you can buy at the store for a dollar a gallon. Don't get sucked in by good marketing.
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No reason at all to buy water, it comes outta the tap close to free. I used to have a RO unit but I honestly cant tell any differance in my plants with ro vs tap except i think the plants do better on tap water.
My tap water is even around 600-750 ppm, doesnt make a differance at all.
You dont see people buying bottled water for tomatoes and cucumbers do ya?
I use about 50 gallons a week, in the past I used 45 per day, sometimes 45 2x a day. Gotta learn what's myth and what's real, real quick.
 
Dr. Who

Dr. Who

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growingforfun said:
No reason at all to buy water, it comes outta the tap close to free. I used to have a RO unit but I honestly cant tell any differance in my plants with ro vs tap except i think the plants do better on tap water.
My tap water is even around 600-750 ppm, doesnt make a differance at all.
You dont see people buying bottled water for tomatoes and cucumbers do ya?
I use about 50 gallons a week, in the past I used 45 per day, sometimes 45 2x a day. Gotta learn what's myth and what's real, real quick.
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Hmm. How do you grow?
It makes a serious difference in hydro! 600-750 ppm water in hydro growing,, NOT good, not at all!
I'm actually kind of shocked you don't have micro issues. Even in soil.....I would sure want to know just what those 600-750 ppm's were.....
 
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growingforfun

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Dr. Who said:
Hmm. How do you grow?
It makes a serious difference in hydro! 600-750 ppm water in hydro growing,, NOT good, not at all!
I'm actually kind of shocked you don't have micro issues. Even in soil.....I would sure want to know just what those 600-750 ppm's were.....
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Soil.
Yes in hydro I think it could be a problem but I gave up hydro long ago as a poor fit for me. It's faster yes, but I got sick of the extra noise it makes, pumps failing the random issues that could pop up quickly etc. I even flooded my house with a inch of water a few times and that was a headache.

Not sure what makes up the ppm of my water but after growing in 4 cities with various numbers I havent found any reason to not use tap water.
If I use ro I have to add calmag nearly every watering using tap I add Epsom salt 1 or 2 times per grow
 
Budzbuddha

Budzbuddha

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Fox Farm trio is not the greatest but can work. The Big Bloom is the most “ organic” of the three. Grow Big and Tiger are highly concentrated and should be close to a 1/4 strength or so. I NEVER followed the feed schedule “ as stated “ since your individual plants will dictate what it wants and how it responds.

However when i use FFOF soil , I top dress when necessary to “ recharge “ the medium and NOT dump additional heavy nutes on top of an ALREADY AMMENDED SOIL MIX. FFOF WILL carry initial growth for weeks on water only. NO MYSTERY HERE .......

All nute lines tend to get the grower looking at every god damn bottle of their line and a very large percentage of them are not needed ever.

Speaking of water ..... for soil . There is absolutely NO REASON to buy or look at alternatives...... your local municipal water is fine. Regarding PPM out of tap ( there are regional differences) however NO MATTER the filtering or stripping of certain elements will make water anymore suitable than straight from spigot. There are and ALWAYS WILL BE elements in water that cannot be removed ..... benzene , lead , copper , polyfluoroalkyl products , Cyanotoxins, PFOA , micro plastics, on and on.

All the industrial things that contaminate ground “ water “ is just part of the dance. I pull yearly water reports , look at the new “ parts per trillion “ numbers legislated on and just laugh.

Bembe is just a sweetner that any simple sugar could do.
Liquid kelp is a good additive when needed . But there are better , much simpler 2 and 3 part nutes available. Even good ol MEGACROP.

Pics ?
 
Rmaclaren

Rmaclaren

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Budzbuddha said:
Fox Farm trio is not the greatest but can work. The Big Bloom is the most “ organic” of the three. Grow Big and Tiger are highly concentrated and should be close to a 1/4 strength or so. I NEVER followed the feed schedule “ as stated “ since your individual plants will dictate what it wants and how it responds.

However when i use FFOF soil , I top dress when necessary to “ recharge “ the medium and NOT dump additional heavy nutes on top of an ALREADY AMMENDED SOIL MIX. FFOF WILL carry initial growth for weeks on water only. NO MYSTERY HERE .......

All nute lines tend to get the grower looking at every god damn bottle of their line and a very large percentage of them are not needed ever.

Speaking of water ..... for soil . There is absolutely NO REASON to buy or look at alternatives...... your local municipal water is fine. Regarding PPM out of tap ( there are regional differences) however NO MATTER the filtering or stripping of certain elements will make water anymore suitable than straight from spigot. There are and ALWAYS WILL BE elements in water that cannot be removed ..... benzene , lead , copper , polyfluoroalkyl products , Cyanotoxins, PFOA , micro plastics, on and on.

All the industrial things that contaminate ground “ water “ is just part of the dance. I pull yearly water reports , look at the new “ parts per trillion “ numbers legislated on and just laugh.

Bembe is just a sweetner that any simple sugar could do.
Liquid kelp is a good additive when needed . But there are better , much simpler 2 and 3 part nutes available. Even good ol MEGACROP.

Pics ?
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I decided to switch over to earth juice and am gunna test it out on some autoflowers I got sprouted
 
Magicole

Magicole

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Rmaclaren said:
right now I use the fox farms trio along with bembe sweet and dande afew weeks of flower and every once and awhile I add great white mycorrhiza. I was wondering if it would really be worth it to invest in the bush doctor kelp me kelp you and wholly mackerel to use along with big bloom and grow big during veg. I was hoping to find another liquid bloom booster instead of just using tiger bloom to build buds but from what I’ve read you only use kelp and wholly mackerel during veg? I kind of feel like pumping 4 different products into my plants during veg is alittle over kill, that being said I only ever use half the amount of the maximum recommended dosages on the bottles. Any insight? I was also thinking of scrapping the bush doctor idea and using big bud by AN along with big bloom tiger bloom and bembe. My plants always have vigorous growth during veg with my current set up but so far have been making flowers at a very slow and almost disappointing pace.
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Just trying to answer your basic question I suggest to use the Grow big strictly during the veg. Then swap to the tiger bloom strictly for the first four weeks of flower then I use the big bloom and beastie bloomz for two weeks, then flush for two weeks following completing an eight week flower cycle. If you have a longer flower then just use the big bloom, beastie bloomz combination for longer. Now this is for the fox farm line different ideology’s can apply and back up there stuff for different nutrient regiments. This is just easy and will most likely not cause you any problems. P.S. use 1/2 of what the bottles say and in the case of the big bloom a cap full per gallon works I wouldn’t use a half a cup. Sound like a no brainer but that’s what the bottle calls for, for heavy feeding.
 
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pewiv

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new to fox farm.This year went strictly with fox farm indoors on a 5 day watering schedule.My ladies look nice.Day 42 flowering.Is it worth only one application of cha ching since thats all i have time for before my 2 week flush?
 
Magicole

Magicole

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pewiv said:
new to fox farm.This year went strictly with fox farm indoors on a 5 day watering schedule.My ladies look nice.Day 42 flowering.Is it worth only one application of cha ching since thats all i have time for before my 2 week flush?
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Cha Ching is great stuff and if you want to use that then yes I advise using it for at least one application, I would go with the beastie bloomz just because I don’t want to put nitrogen in there that late in the cycle. Personal preference though I like to compare this hobby to cooking Italian food everybody’s gonna tell you you’re doing it wrong and their way is the right way!
 
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