Farmer's Hat
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I haven't! Is there a link you can provide? Im very curious to know more.
F3 Valley Ice. (Matanuska x SFV OG)
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Farmer's Hat
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Yesterday I pollinated many branches with a small paintbrush. I do this with every outdoor grow. I try and select the calyxes that are growing on the main stems. From my experience, they tend to produce the biggest seeds.
Nizza
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I am trying to find the journal I saw it on and I don't remember, but some people reverse their males (with maybe a different chem than sts/cs) in order to see what traits they will show on the female offspring instead of having to make the seeds and find out the longer way. It made alot of sense to me (on the other hand I have no breeding experience yet.)if I find the thread I'll try and link it to you! It was a good read
Farmer's Hat
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Male #3 is starting to drop lots of pollen every day. I have more than enough of this yellow dust to produce a decent amount of seeds.
Its also getting top heavy! Which is a good sign
The purple male is still behind. I was able to collected some pollen from it today. Im actually very eager to breed with this male because I love smoking sativas. Im not big into the couch lock heavy indicas.
All the girls in the greenhouse are done stretching and are about to enter week 2 of flower. I will snap some pictures this weekend.
Cheers
Its also getting top heavy! Which is a good sign
The purple male is still behind. I was able to collected some pollen from it today. Im actually very eager to breed with this male because I love smoking sativas. Im not big into the couch lock heavy indicas.
All the girls in the greenhouse are done stretching and are about to enter week 2 of flower. I will snap some pictures this weekend.
Cheers
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Nizza
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what is your rule of thumb for "cutting" the pollen? do you use flour and sterilize it or something else?
Farmer's Hat
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Ive never done anything like this. Is it a common practice? What is the purpose?
Ive always had great success with simply storing the pollen for a few weeks, and pollinating around week 4 of flower. I dont store pollen for more than a month.
Farmer's Hat
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Check out this YouTube channel. This video covers how to reverse a male plant.
Farmer's Hat
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Im really digging this purple sativa. The structure suggests it might produce foxtail bud, similar to Super Silver Haze.
The terps are pine, diesel, and a small hint of lime. No fruity notes.
I took both males outside to hose them down. All that extra pollen floating around in the house can be a little irritating. Lol
The terps are pine, diesel, and a small hint of lime. No fruity notes.
I took both males outside to hose them down. All that extra pollen floating around in the house can be a little irritating. Lol
Farmer's Hat
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This Brandywine strain is ahead in flower. It is already showing trichomes. Im surprised that it actually smells like Brandywine. 
Farmer's Hat
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Some of the seeds are starting to develop. Also, im stoked that the one plant that smells like pineapple will definitely have purple flowers. I will obviously be crossing that one with the purple male.
The purple is just starting to show on the calyx.
The purple is just starting to show on the calyx.
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Farmer's Hat
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The seed it? Lol
wigsplitta713
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How may I get some of these?
Farmer's Hat
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I plan to first test a few dozen seeds and see how the offspring turned out. After that I will consider sending seeds to seasoned growers who are interested in testing or crossbreeding with these genetics.
I will trade some of the F4 seeds, but that largely depends on the strains. Im not interested in any of the popular modern indoor strains. I prefer old school classics like Silver Haze, Blueberry, Durban Poison, etc.
Farmer's Hat
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Valley Ice is starting to show trichomes. The flower smells fruity with hints of banana. Its the main terp profile ive been selectively breeding.
The leaf structure is also something ive been selectively breeding. I really like the serrated pattern and the thinner leaf blades.
With my recent discovery of the purple pheno, I plan to create a separate sativa dominant hybrid. I know for sure that I want to cross it with some silver haze. I would like to breed a purple version of Silver Haze that has a more fruity terp profile.
Slowly but surely they always end up bigger than anticipated... Lol. I really wanted them to cap out at around 6ft this year. Three of the plants have already surpassed that height limitation.
The leaf structure is also something ive been selectively breeding. I really like the serrated pattern and the thinner leaf blades.
With my recent discovery of the purple pheno, I plan to create a separate sativa dominant hybrid. I know for sure that I want to cross it with some silver haze. I would like to breed a purple version of Silver Haze that has a more fruity terp profile.
Slowly but surely they always end up bigger than anticipated... Lol. I really wanted them to cap out at around 6ft this year. Three of the plants have already surpassed that height limitation.
conor c
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The chemical your looking for is called epethon (florel) many do it first person I heard doing it was Nevil but its maybe older than that as far as cannabis is concerned
Farmer's Hat
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Thanks. The video explained much of it already. It is an interesting method. By the looks of it, reversing a male gives the breeder insight about the cannabinoids and terpene profile of that plant. A breeding project can certainly move along quicker due to that one advantage.
Farmer's Hat
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Today I finished pollinating all the ladies. I used both males to produce F4 and F1 seeds.
I took clones of everything a while back, and decided to keep 2 mothers and 2 fathers.
Mother #1 posseses all the traits ive been selectively breeding. This plant also displayed incredible vigor and flowered early. Trichome production is excellent.
Mother #2 was selected because it displays a beautiful purple pheno. Its the first plant ive seen with this trait, out the dozens of seeds ive tested. This plant also possesses all the other traits mentioned above.
The 2 mothers are currently under simple 100w LED lights. My indoor set up is still being planned out.
The males are currently in a seedling dome under 24 hours of light. It will take some time before they reverse back into vegetative state. Coincidentally, this will be the first time I keep Fathers around.
I believe that I am finally at the stage where it makes sense to backcross and cube this strain. The plan is to select a few plants from the F1 Brandywine x Valley ice. I intentionally selected Brandywine because it shouldn't be very compatible. As a result, I should be able to easily identify the plants that are Valley Ice dominant and create F2 seeds that will be used for crossing into the F4 Valley Ice. Here is a picture of my updated plan for this strain.
As you can imagine, there will be dozens of seedlings tested from every single batch of seeds.
Cheers
I took clones of everything a while back, and decided to keep 2 mothers and 2 fathers.
Mother #1 posseses all the traits ive been selectively breeding. This plant also displayed incredible vigor and flowered early. Trichome production is excellent.
Mother #2 was selected because it displays a beautiful purple pheno. Its the first plant ive seen with this trait, out the dozens of seeds ive tested. This plant also possesses all the other traits mentioned above.
The 2 mothers are currently under simple 100w LED lights. My indoor set up is still being planned out.
The males are currently in a seedling dome under 24 hours of light. It will take some time before they reverse back into vegetative state. Coincidentally, this will be the first time I keep Fathers around.
I believe that I am finally at the stage where it makes sense to backcross and cube this strain. The plan is to select a few plants from the F1 Brandywine x Valley ice. I intentionally selected Brandywine because it shouldn't be very compatible. As a result, I should be able to easily identify the plants that are Valley Ice dominant and create F2 seeds that will be used for crossing into the F4 Valley Ice. Here is a picture of my updated plan for this strain.
As you can imagine, there will be dozens of seedlings tested from every single batch of seeds.
Cheers
Agreed bro,I'm a backyard outdoor grower for almost 40 yrs. now,and it seems to me that old school bag seed were more vigorous than today's breeder seeds,as for caterpillars I hit my plants w/a BT treatment mid Aug. at early flower stage,ain't seen the little pricks since I started doing that,a couple of Meyer's lemon verbeena mild soap w/a dash of pyrythrin( a chrysanthramum extract) sprayed preventively and no bugs either.Rain and rot are THE issue,mid Sept to 1-2 wk of Oct are the KEY in determining the season IMO,a lady in Oregon,Oregon Green Seed had a Stardog strain called Two Dogs that she worked in your area and it performed well,I no longer see her stock it,some other strains I tried from her here in SE MA. weren't as impressive,this was 5-6 yrs. ago though her site is still up,good luck,way too many strains out there now,throwing shit against the wall to see what sticks IMO and greedy pols have granted WAY too many weed store licences in my area,a FKN joke IMO,they think it's the goose that keeps laying golden eggs,waiting for a market correction. I grow now cause it's in my blood,I'm pushing 60 and plan on pulling in my work in 3-4 wks about 30 adults and about 100 clones I took from lower branches.
Farmer's Hat
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Respect. Best of luck with the haul.
In regards to the strains you mentioned, I will look into it. From my experience, most indoor strains have terrible pest resistance. The strain ive been working on has incredible resistance to pests, and mold. It performs well indoors also, but its not a heavy yielder. The flowers aren't dense, thats why its great for outdoors. Also, there is virtually no trimming involved because of the high calyx to leaf ratio. Its an amazing strain and im determined to keep improving it.
conor c
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Think it's either as it's too inbred or Molly coddled indoors or also alot of today's strains are multi poly hybrids so definitely less vigour Vs a true F1 like alot of the good old stuff was