fake news versus propaganda

ttystikk said:

http://www.npr.org/sections/13.7/2016/12/05/504388777/educations-tie-to-conspiracy-theory-belief

The article suggests that increased belief in conspiracy theories is correlated with lower education levels, lower incomes and a sense of powerlessness about one's place in the world. This certainly helps explain Chump voters.

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Justin-case said:

I think I just became a doctor

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Fogdog said:

un watchable

I couldn't figure out who he was talking about when he said "they" about a half billion times. Some of what he said made sense though. Try harder.

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Hookabelly said:

Just talking about this with a friend this morning. What are your go to sources for news?

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pinner420 said:

I don't watch the news; I make it!

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Fogdog said:

Great question.

For me, NPR is a good source. CNN, ABC, Washington Post, NY Times, Politico, main media sources who for the most part have been around a long time and who's reputation is built around solid reporting. Also fact checking sites. If you don't like these sources, its not hard to check on stories that come from other sites, even if the story seems pretty wild. Maybe true, maybe not. How to tell?

Fake Or Real? How To Self-Check The News And Get The Facts
http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/12/05/503581220/fake-or-real-how-to-self-check-the-news-and-get-the-facts

a small excerpt:
Look at the quotes in a story

Or rather, look at the lack of quotes. Most publications have multiple sources in each story who are professionals and have expertise in the fields they talk about. If it's a serious or controversial issue there are more likely to be quotes — and lots of them. Look for professors or other academics who can speak to the research they've done. And if they are talking about research, look up those studies.

Look at who said them

Then, see who said the quotes, and what they said. Are they a reputable source with a title that you can verify through a quick Google search? Say you're looking at a story and it says President Obama said he wanted to take everyone's guns away. And then there's a quote. Obama is an official who has almost everything he says recorded and archived. There are transcripts for pretty much any address or speech he has given. Google those quotes. See what the speech was about, who he was addressing and when it happened. Even if he did an exclusive interview with a publication, that same quote will be referenced in other stories, saying he said it while talking to the original publication.

I find right wingers to be most extravagant in the area of fake news. Anything from @Flaming Pie or any "new member" with a handful of posts should be automatically put in that category. This is a quote from a guy who runs a fake news business:

When did you notice that fake news does best with Trump supporters?

Well, this isn't just a Trump-supporter problem. This is a right-wing issue. Sarah Palin's famous blasting of the lamestream media is kind of record and testament to the rise of these kinds of people. The post-fact era is what I would refer to it as. This isn't something that started with Trump. This is something that's been in the works for a while. His whole campaign was this thing of discrediting mainstream media sources, which is one of those dog whistles to his supporters. When we were coming up with headlines it's always kind of about the red meat. Trump really got into the red meat. He knew who his base was. He knew how to feed them a constant diet of this red meat.

We've tried to do similar things to liberals. It just has never worked, it never takes off. You'll get debunked within the first two comments and then the whole thing just kind of fizzles out.

http://www.npr.org/sections/alltechconsidered/2016/11/23/503146770/npr-finds-the-head-of-a-covert-fake-news-operation-in-the-suburbs

As you can see, I try to post links with stories and information that I post here. Its completely reasonable to ask for a link when another poster makes some strong and maybe wild claims. Links from weird sites aren't necessarily bad, but it pays to look at the "about us" section and if really curious about a story, do a search on the author's name to see what else they've been posting or to look up background information on them.

Of course, who wants to put a lot of work into looking up the background of a story only to find that it is bogus? And so, going by the common sense rule, if it looks strange and weird, it probably is. Personally, I never fact checked the "pizza gate" story until recently. I first saw it coming from Pie, it was really weird and so rejected it out of hand. Turned out it was fake. Not surprised.

One thing that I'd appreciate: if you think a story is fake, say so.

And sometimes the fake story is a story in itself. Like the one I got from a poster on RIU about Plasma Beings.
http://www.galacticfederations.net/plasmabeings.html

There is gold in them thar hills. LOL

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Unclebaldrick said:

Trump supporters make it up, so you are almost there.

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pinner420 said:

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Unclebaldrick said:

What a coherant argument. So, you got nuthin.

Hope you enjoy the fantasy-come-true that America will be living through. I hope you are still around to talk about it in a couple years. I want to know if all your dreams came true.

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MisterBouncyBounce said:

all the sources you listed lie. within their stream of banal reporting, they slip in lies, by either omitting facts, slanting it, slipping pre-suppositions, and many other things.

and the good ones do it by satisfying your tips on How To Self-Check The News And Get The Facts.

the other side (anyway one wants to define "other side") is not stupid, they also know how people are typically going to verify an article.

Chris hedges, respected and acclaimed Pulitzer prize winner for reporting, formerly of the N.Y. Times has said many times, he can any set of facts and spin them any kind of way and make them say whatever is desired.


good sources of News are:

http://www.truthdig.com/
http://www.truth-out.org/
http://www.democracyatwork.info/
http://billmoyers.com/

Chris Hedges' columns and talks and his latest show "On Contact" which can be found on youtube.

weekly radio show "Economic Update" hosted by Ivy league educated economist Richard Wolff.
https://www.youtube.com/user/democracyatwrk/www.democracyatwork.info

lectures and talks by Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges, Richard Wolff and Cornel West.

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Unclebaldrick said:

"We've tried to do similar things to liberals. It just has never worked, it never takes off. You'll get debunked within the first two comments and then the whole thing just kind of fizzles out."

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MisterBouncyBounce said:

all the sources you listed lie. within their stream of banal reporting, they slip in lies, by either omitting facts, slanting it, slipping pre-suppositions, and many other things.

and the good ones do it by satisfying your tips on How To Self-Check The News And Get The Facts.

the other side (anyway one wants to define "other side") is not stupid, they also know how people are typically going to verify an article.

Chris hedges, respected and acclaimed Pulitzer prize winner for reporting, formerly of the N.Y. Times has said many times, he can any set of facts and spin them any kind of way and make them say whatever is desired.


good sources of News are:

http://www.truthdig.com/
http://www.truth-out.org/
http://www.democracyatwork.info/
http://billmoyers.com/

Chris Hedges' columns and talks and his latest show "On Contact" which can be found on youtube.

weekly radio show "Economic Update" hosted by Ivy league educated economist Richard Wolff.
https://www.youtube.com/user/democracyatwrk/www.democracyatwork.info

lectures and talks by Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges, Richard Wolff and Cornel West.

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ttystikk said:

Conspiracy theory much?

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Fogdog said:

I went to the first two sites he listed. They are nothing like the right wing organs like Breitbart. They reported a biased view but not falsehoods or unsubstantiated claims.

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ttystikk said:

Conspiracy theory much?

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MisterBouncyBounce said:

are you saying i am a conspiracy nut and those places and people are fringe Alex Jones types?

that these people Noam Chomsky, Chris Hedges, Richard Wolff and Cornel West are not credible?

just because something has "truth" in it's name doesn't mean it is a "truther"

you think it is nutty to believe the mainstream media lie, misinform and mislead?

from what i've seen you post you seem to know better.

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Fogdog said:

All good sites listed there. I think you are confusing biased reporting with lies. The sites you listed are biased towards liberal agendas. Not that this is lying, just filtered news to eliminate conflicting information.

While I am liberal in my views on the kind of society I want, I try to get my news from sites that report what people with other views say too. There is a problem in conventional "balanced" media in that they give too much time to people, mostly on the conservative side who ARE lying to the press. It is a false attempt at equivalence. But I don't think the reporter who states two opposing views is lying. Also different from fake news.

If you want to reply back to correct me about sites like NPR, NBC, ABC, CNN etc. lying. I'd appreciate a link to an example.

Noam Chonsky is a great man.

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ttystikk said:

You also denigrated other news sources and the tone of that post was a little out there.

You've redeemed yourself already; anyone who follows Bill Moyers can't be all bad!

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MisterBouncyBounce said:

all the sources you listed lie. within their stream of banal reporting, they slip in lies, by either omitting facts, slanting it, slipping pre-suppositions, and many other things.

and the good ones do it by satisfying your tips on How To Self-Check The News And Get The Facts.

the other side (anyway one wants to define "other side") is not stupid, they also know how people are typically going to verify an article.

Chris hedges, respected and acclaimed Pulitzer prize winner for reporting, formerly of the N.Y. Times has said many times, he can any set of facts and spin them any kind of way and make them say whatever is desired.

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