welp, my dad's dead so cant kick shit...myself I shootThis thread is fucking hilarious, by the way, did anyone figure out whose dad could beat up whose dad? LOL
transmittance, the process of light passing through the leaf to the next one, and the next and so on.So I don't know... I gave her an extra dose of nutes two days ago but... I didn't check the bottom prior to that.... Now here is a pic of the plant... All the other leaves are in perfect condition.... And the plant is looking happy... This is why Im asking... Maybe since no light is getting down there the plant was discarding the three bottom fan leaves?
After the lights turned on, I checked the plant to see how she reacted to loosing that leaf... There was some remarkable growth to the side of the plant... Now today is their 8 day flowering so it might be that as well... Anyways, I'm interested more about the outcome on removing those pale/ beginning of yellow leafs at the bottom than the yield ... so just as a continuation I decided to cut off one of the two remaining leafs that look like this, what you think ?
this one is a little bit more in roughy shape.. And they are located under the first node at the bottom..
veins are looking good.. i think it went completely pale green first... then began yellowing from outside in from the front of the leaf.. after a few cm starts at the back of it... and its like is closing up towards the middle of the leaf..
I have a botany degree and worked in botanical fields for several years now. I know how plants grow, and more importantly, I know how to manipulate plants for our own selfish human needs which more often than not, are different than a plants own needs. In regards to defoliation as a means to increase bud production, folks need to throw a lot about botany and plant growth characteristics out of the water. The reason being, think about what the entire point of a plants life is: to reproduce. That is, in the case of a female cannabis plant, to become pollinated and produce LOTS and LOTS of SEEDS. That's right, seeds. When a plant becomes pollinated it is safe to assume most of it's energy is diverted to grow and mature the seed. As cannabis growers, we are in fact training the plant to do something it does not want to do, grow massive, unpollinated buds.
I am stumped at how you are here claiming to have a botany degree and then in the next sentence dive into a idea that we are "manipulating" the plant and throwing plants growth characteristics out into the water. I dont know if you wrote it badly or just sort of jumbled in your ideas here. For one growing sensimilla, though it is manipulating the environment, it has nothing to do with manipulating the growth characteristics of the cannabis plant. It is perfectly within its natural order to put all its effort into attracting pollen before its death and that effort is to grow large sticky swollen calyxes to achieve that. So we are not exactly training it, just taking advantage of its natural survival process in a controlled environment. Then you go into your case for defoliation with no natural backing that we have with why we grow cannabis sensimilla and how we take advantage of this natural process for our benefit.
This is actually a very common logical fallacy, but I dont think you actually are aware that you did. I would like for you to expand on your defoliation argument and how it relates to a natural process or tendency of the cannabis plant like your base argument of growing sensimilla. There is nothing outside of the norm when a female cannabis plant fails to attract pollen and swells in a desperate attempt to attract pollen. This is actually very normal. However what process do we have to add credence to defoliation that helps us? Something that backs your argument here is what I am looking for because relating an unnatural process to a perfectly natural process is really not a good argument. For example, if cannabis evolved to grow around grazing animal herds, and it used the animals grazing on its leaves for triggering its reproduction operations, then defoliation could absolutely be equated to your example of sensimilla. Can you expand on anything like this?
**edit: I just re-read this and dont want to come off as calling you a lair or anything. I am just thinking you wrote this without really applying your botany knowledge.
Hahaha, yes bro, what's the range of transmittance of 600w hps? 4 feet? Cuz the lights are about 4 and a couple inches... I'm just super curious about thistransmittance, the process of light passing through the leaf to the next one, and the next and so on.
yo will want to increase Nitrogen to keep them green.
your plants looks great, they are like ; " do you even lift ,Bro?"
haha.
Did you cut clones> and what strain is that?
But then that's a lighting problem right? By removing top fan leaves... all its happening is that you are removing deposits of energy which will affect the development of the upper buds... Unless you can prove that even by removing upper fan leafs you still get the same results on the top cola which goes against scientific data to this day... Removing those leaves will causes stress... Stress causes shock to an extend... Shock :waste of energy... U know where i'm getting to? some people just move the leafs are of he way... But people that defoliates claim that now because have more light to lower bud sites you will harvest bigger yields... Now you see a lot of pictures here and then... Where plant look like there's buds everywhere... But none of them even close to a well develop cola... I mean might as well go 12/12 from the get go like member here and get a small plant that receives enough light and buds all over... Why waste the time to develop foliage and roots to get the ultimate colas if you are going to remove what you are trying to get in the first place... I have come to the conclusion that people who defoliates was never able to keep a healthy foliage till harvest... And seems like that's the hard part about growing weedHow often are plants not pollinated in their natural environments? Since the entire source of existence is reproduction.. I disagree that unpollinated females are abundant in natural environments. Sure, the wild bee dieoff has caused this problem but it is rare in nature. Sure, endangered species which do not have many males around certainly have more unfertilized females. What we do as cannabis growers is prevent female plants from completing their life cycle. This changes a lot of things w/ in the plant that happen naturally.
Let me ask you this. If an pollinated cannabis plant is putting all of it's energy into flower + resin production, how on earth do you think it will have the energy left to create healthy seeds if it is eventually pollinated? The plant obviously stores energy in reserve in case it does get pollinated. This reserve energy must be generated somewhere, which exact place is up for debate as it requires extensive scientific study. One thing people have agreed upon, is fan leaves are a place for energy storage as well as photosynthetic production. One generally accepted principle is all living things try to evolve as efficiently as possible. Therefore, it is reasoable to assume plants try and reduce the distance energy (food,water,minerals) travels. Based upon this idea, I feel that defoliation (I am not talking total defoliation) is beneficial because the leaves closest to the bud will get more light and more of that energy will be put into the bud.
I guess my basis for the argument is the cannabis plant does not care how many unpollinated flowers it has, only the number of pollinated flowers. I believe that the leaves closest to the buds produce most of the energy that goes into the buds themselves, whereas larger fan and shade leaves put most of their energy into reserves for seed production. I realize I have no peer reviewed literature or a scientific study to prove this to you.. all I have is my experience which you can take it or leave it.
I have found that when a number of fan + shade leaves are removed, more light hits the bud sites which grow much larger than they would w/o fan leaves being removed. The negative of removing fan leaves is outweighed by the fact that the bud sites are larger (which is our goal, as humans).
I had my outdoors yellow at the bottom, only fed once in 3 months. that's why I mentioned upping the N.Hahaha, yes bro, what's the range of transmittance of 600w hps? 4 feet? Cuz the lights are about 4 and a couple inches... I'm just super curious about this
its white widow by Dutch passion man, yes haha, I'm there every time the lights go on like a creeperI had my outdoors yellow at the bottom, only fed once in 3 months. that's why I mentioned upping the N.
I feed every third watering, and trippled the amount avail. N. with that regiment I don't think salt build would be an issue.
wth that being said, transmittance will go through plenty of leaf.
what strain is that if you don't mind answering ?
wanted to add I would back those lights off, you get growth spurt and u got burned cola.
oh my plant is not 4 feet..They are like 2 something... 4 and few inches is where my lights is at... I can't wait to grow outdoors man.I had my outdoors yellow at the bottom, only fed once in 3 months. that's why I mentioned upping the N.
I feed every third watering, and trippled the amount avail. N. with that regiment I don't think salt build would be an issue.
wth that being said, transmittance will go through plenty of leaf.
what strain is that if you don't mind answering ?
wanted to add I would back those lights off, you get growth spurt and u got burned cola.
4 feet from the top of the plants? That's way too far man. Maybe you mean 4 feet from the bottom?oh my plant is not 4 feet..They are like 2 something... 4 and few inches is where my lights is at... I can't wait to grow outdoors man.I had my outdoors yellow at the bottom, only fed once in 3 months. that's why I mentioned upping the N.
I feed every third watering, and trippled the amount avail. N. with that regiment I don't think salt build would be an issue.
wth that being said, transmittance will go through plenty of leaf.
what strain is that if you don't mind answering ?
wanted to add I would back those lights off, you get growth spurt and u got burned cola.
How often are plants not pollinated in their natural environments? Since the entire source of existence is reproduction.. I disagree that unpollinated females are abundant in natural environments.
Sure, the wild bee dieoff has caused this problem but it is rare in nature. Sure, endangered species which do not have many males around certainly have more unfertilized females.
Let me ask you this. If an pollinated cannabis plant is putting all of it's energy into flower + resin production, how on earth do you think it will have the energy left to create healthy seeds if it is eventually pollinated?
The plant obviously stores energy in reserve in case it does get pollinated.
This reserve energy must be generated somewhere,
Not it is not. We know exactly how photosynthesis in plants converts light into sugars, stores them, transports them and reconverts them for energy. This is not up for debate at all.....which exact place is up for debate as it requires extensive scientific study.
One thing people have agreed upon, is fan leaves are a place for energy storage as well as photosynthetic production. One generally accepted principle is all living things try to evolve as efficiently as possible. Therefore, it is reasoable to assume plants try and reduce the distance energy (food,water,minerals) travels. Based upon this idea, I feel that defoliation (I am not talking total defoliation) is beneficial because the leaves closest to the bud will get more light and more of that energy will be put into the bud.
I have found that when a number of fan + shade leaves are removed, more light hits the bud sites which grow much larger than they would w/o fan leaves being removed. The negative of removing fan leaves is outweighed by the fact that the bud sites are larger (which is our goal, as humans).
This is actually a pretty substantial point. There are fan leaves that are directly connected to base of the calyx clusters.I read that you can trim but Never trim a leaf from a bud site's base. That base leaf provides most of the energy for the bud.
sorry bro I think didn't explain myself clearly.. Lights are about 4 feet and few inches.. And plants are about two feet and some inches.. Almost three feet now... I just go as long as my hand doesn't fell uncomfortable.. I put them as close as possible..4 feet from the top of the plants? That's way too far man. Maybe you mean 4 feet from the bottom?