Fan Leafs. Blockers of Light Or Energy Producers???

medical/420 said:

LET's all arguee with no facts. The only argueement i wanna hear is one from experiace..

If you never took leaves off your plant that were blocking bud sites, you shouldn't be saying it anit going to work. intill you try it don't knock it.

anybody that has taken leafs off a plant probally has grown a plant with out takeing any leaves off before, so they can give there results.

I have never grown a plant in a aeroponic system, so I will not say that Aeroponic is BAD, because i have never done it, so i can't judge it.....

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This is still a nonsensical argument. First of all, the leaves are not BLOCKING the bud sites, this is an illusion and you're probably exaggerating it.

Also: confirmation bias.

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It is just an annual ya know.....

Uncle Ben said:

Ya think? Then how in the hell did these lower chunky buds get there? These plants were totally "shaded" having been crammed into a limited space with its sistas. Nice an natural too with all original fan leaves left intact. Easy peasy.......

Look through the plant in the first & second photos. There's little to no light penetrating that canopy. Most of those fan leaves are as big as dinner plates. Lots of carbos kickin' in.

Uncle Ben

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Is that what you see? What you are actually looking at are flowers that are under developed. If you take a close look at the structure you can see that though looking nice they lack weight, have a closer look and you will see they have no girth to speak of and have elongated in the search for light. Prolly because of all the foilage in the way, ya know all that yellow stuff?

Im sorry man...I thought you knew the difference.

Some day you will figure it out.

Sir.Ganga said:

Is that what you see? What you are actually looking at are flowers that are under developed. If you take a close look at the structure you can see that though looking nice they lack weight, have a closer look and you will see they have no girth to speak of and have elongated in the search for light. Prolly because of all the foilage in the way, ya know all that yellow stuff?

Im sorry man...I thought you knew the difference.

Some day you will figure it out.

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Alexander Supertramp said:

The facts have been presented time and time again, its called botany, facts against the practice.
The claims that it works have not been proven. Only personal observations on a very limited scale. And the reasons used claiming it works go against the laws of nature and horticulture. Fools yourselves if you so wish. But to claim increased yields over proven practices is just plain spreading bad info, down right bullshit.


On a side note: I have been growing MJ among many other plants longer than many in this debate have been alive. Been there, done that on many different levels. What you want to see and whats actually happening can be two very different things. From my many years of experience the way to maximize yields is to grow happy, healthy plants from start too finish.
Yes there are situations that call for topping or training to get the most from your plants and grow space. Nothing wrong with that. Bottom line is though a plant left to do its things will out produce manipulated plants every time if you have the space to let them be free.......

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Pre-mature harvest must be up next...and yes I think highly of my grow skills...

Sir.Ganga said:

Is that what you see? What you are actually looking at are flowers that are under developed. If you take a close look at the structure you can see that though looking nice they lack weight, have a closer look and you will see they have no girth to speak of and have elongated in the search for light. Prolly because of all the foilage in the way, ya know all that yellow stuff?

Im sorry man...I thought you knew the difference.

Some day you will figure it out.

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Heehee! Thank you, Man! I needed a belly laugh when I got home.

Yeah, Ben, maybe in your 2nd 40 years of growing you will know as much as this kid.

rollitup said:

Heehee! Thank you, Man! I needed a belly laugh when I got home.

Yeah, Ben, maybe in your 2nd 40 years of growing you will know as much as this kid.

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ra ra ra...

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Hey Guys!

loving some of the knowledge dropping.

got a question about cloning a peach tree, can you and if so; this tree has been barren for 3 seasons.

what do you guys say?


also about plant over lapping each other, can this cause shade avoidance responses.

maybe in a good way,


what i think the retards are failing to grasp is light is not one directional, it scatters and blase l;eaves from all sides.

one more, i just recalled. can i get a layman def. of Photon flux. please? thanks

rollitup said:

Heehee! Thank you, Man! I needed a belly laugh when I got home.

Yeah, Ben, maybe in your 2nd 40 years of growing you will know as much as this kid.

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He just might learn something instead of growing the same way for forty years stuck in the past everything he knows I new 20 years ago and am willing to learn not cling to a 40 year old book like it is a bible.

Maybe he could even learn what heavy shade is if he could grow large plants indoors he might have a clue because the light is getting into those plants with the six small fan leaves so be happy growing average plants

Bud Brewer said:

He just might learn something instead of growing the same way for forty years stuck in the past everything he knows I new 20 years ago and am willing to learn not cling to a 40 year old book like it is a bible.

Maybe he could even learn what heavy shade is if he could grow large plants indoors he might have a clue because the light is getting into those plants with the six small fan leaves so be happy growing average plants

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Then why the fuck dont you show us something other than that dead fucking bucket horse you have been beating to death? Cause you cant. Cause repeatable results are not within your grasp. 20 years of experience and all you have to show for it is that one good grow...bravo little buddy...training wheels almost ready to be taken off...

That's like telling the a/c tech with 30 years experience to go back to school. I thought experience was something that made you the authority on that subject. I guess the newb who just graduated is gonna come in and try and tell him how to do stuff. It just doesn't make sense in my book.

I grew big plants for more than twelve years indoor constantly then after more than 6 years of not growing I can pull off 5 gallon bucket colas that were just a fraction of the total weight of the 3 feet around 4.5 high solid fat plants with dozens of big tops per plant making a huge wall of hanging bud.

As far as repeating it that will not be a problem my monster plants were still big after I took all the massive tops off to expose the hundreds of small immature bud that was shaded totally by huge buds and had more leaf than anything you you clowns have posted despite me removing half the leaf at 3 weeks none of your natural plants can compare to the recent examples of defoliated plants or come close to mine.

The big 3 foot bushes left have plenty of new growth they will be huge not as big as the first run but close and the test clones are growing good they are well over a foot and a half and looking good imagine what my garden will look like after with five fat monsters instead of two.

I could almost double my total although that would be pushing everything to the extreme max, but I will have a much better second run fine tuning little things.

I'm a tradesman with 24 years experience and have worked with hundreds of people experience doesn't mean the best some who have been doing it for forty years are still limited in what they can do and are not always good just good enough to keep around but not your go to guy when you need something difficult done that takes someone with more natural and learned skill by doing things outside their comfort zone and constantly learning new things can give a much younger tradesman a more varied and extensive experience that can produce much better work.

you got answers for everything. Your so focused on how BIG you can grow a bud. Just grow hydro if your only after bigger. . But I would rather have a nice nug that gets me stoned, then a big airy bud that you can post pics of on the interwebz. Sorry god gave you a small pee pee and you feel the need to fill your inadequacies here.

Bud Brewer said:

I'm a tradesman with 24 years experience and have worked with hundreds of people experience doesn't mean the best some who have been doing it for forty years are still limited in what they can do and are not always good just good enough to keep around but not your go to guy when you need something difficult done that takes someone with more natural and learned skill by doing things outside their comfort zone and constantly learning new things can give a much younger tradesman a more varied and extensive experience that can produce much better work.

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and I would bet the house, you would tell some rookie just out of school, to kick rocks if he tried to tell you how to do your job. Your a bigger idiot than anyone could guess if you deny that.

Sir.Ganga said:

Is that what you see? What you are actually looking at are flowers that are under developed.

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They're at least 3 weeks prior to harvest pinhead.

Im sorry man...I thought you knew the difference.

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Right. And this shows that you don't even understand when it's time to harvest nor can gauge plant maturity.

Some day you will figure it out.

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Pot calling kettle black comes to mind. I'll clue you in. Harvest when about 80% of the pistils are brown with 20% still fresh, calyx production (and pistil production) has about come to a halt, and calyxes are plump as if they contain a seed. I don't use resin head color as a guide.

Gotta it?

UB

Slab said:

got a question about cloning a peach tree, can you and if so; this tree has been barren for 3 seasons.

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I'd say you have a dead tree.

Yes, may be able to root a peach branch cutting, not sure why you'd want to do that. You pick the scion variety that has been grafted onto a rootstock that works for your soil profile. Give me your local chill hours and I can recommend some of the best.

UB

chuck estevez said:

That's like telling the a/c tech with 30 years experience to go back to school. I thought experience was something that made you the authority on that subject. I guess the newb who just graduated is gonna come in and try and tell him how to do stuff. It just doesn't make sense in my book.

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No shit! I do what I do based on experience. This guy has no clue mainly because he's so young. Not that he's old enough to have grown many gardens (using cheesey CFL lights and jerry rigged crap suggests a lack of experience). I may be giving away my age, but I've been gardening on my own since 1970, and with my parents and relatives prior to that.

UB