FAT ASS REP red veins = P def? FAT ASS REP

glad u chipped in lasrbrn. i would foliar fedd lightly an npk (with lil bit of p-k only). give that a try.

laserbrn said:

Once a leaf is attacked by n deficiency and becomes necrotic it never comes back. It will continue its necrosis until it's all gone. I agree that your top new growth looks good and you should focus on it more. Have any NEW leaves turned yellow since your feedings? It looks like the problem hasn't gotten worse since day 10 in your journal when you decided to feed for the first time (which was a bit early).

I wouldn't repot an autoflowering plant and that should be big enough for that autoflower to finish out.

Watch your new growth and maybe try some basic foods like Jack's Classic 10-10-10 for a couple of feedings. It's a good balanced cheap ass nutrient solution that works well in soil. You have or had a little N def. and it will help, but you don't want to off adding 5-0-0 feedings or anything buck wild in there. Some decent soil and some 10-10-10 will give you some good results. I think your plant is already recovering and you are looking for a sign you aren't going to get. The sign that it's recovering is that it's not getting worse anymore. Primarily that the problem is not attacking new growth.

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don't wanna sound like a loser but you really can feel the experience in your post, yes the def seems to have slowed hard to tell because as you said the necrosis will develop regaurdless, all my new growth is nice but seems deficiant as it appears, very light yellow anyway

thankyou for your time and everyone else and sagensour you are an OG with my journal keep it real

sagensour said:

glad u chipped in lasrbrn. i would foliar fedd lightly an npk (with lil bit of p-k only). give that a try.

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lightly, what like 300 PPM?

oh and I didn't feed until days 16 and 18 respectivly, I will go ahead and foliar feed with a 300 PPM bloom feed do you spray until they are dripping?, I will find my way just a noob lol

I experienced what seems to be the same problem. It first off is not an N problem although i thought this initially myself, so i would skip foliar feeding. im pretty sure it is an mg problem, the only other thing i can think of is that autoflowers are said to need a lot of root space. Anyways i was pretty certain my water was way to high in minerals (esp. calcium) and this caused a lockout of Mg+ (or fucked it up in some other way, im no chemist) So i repotted and started watering with plain gallon jugs of water from the store. Few day later the plants looked amazing and the leaves even regained a green color (except the crispy parts it looks like you have too). Unfortunately i dont have a ppm tester to check my water so i cant this this is the absolute cause but it worked. I think autoflowers are really sensitive to this because i had a non auto plant that didn't seem affected but this was from the last batch. Hope this rambling helped and that your plants make a turn for the better.

Thats y i said it may not be a n problem. Heres the thing. Pure water with some great npk although light like 5 ppm water and 200 ppm npk, u might see the upper part darkin up. Yes pure water is always better. No one will really ever know, so dont expect someone to give an exact answer. U just have to try a couple lil things and when u do make even the lil move, make sure u space them out to find out what worked. Sprayem lightly with what i said and give it a couple days. I spray when lights go off and wash(just water) the leaves right before lights come on. To be sure, use a all around nute, something with most essential elements.

Platipy said:

I experienced what seems to be the same problem. It first off is not an N problem although i thought this initially myself, so i would skip foliar feeding. im pretty sure it is an mg problem, the only other thing i can think of is that autoflowers are said to need a lot of root space. Anyways i was pretty certain my water was way to high in minerals (esp. calcium) and this caused a lockout of Mg+ (or fucked it up in some other way, im no chemist) So i repotted and started watering with plain gallon jugs of water from the store. Few day later the plants looked amazing and the leaves even regained a green color (except the crispy parts it looks like you have too). Unfortunately i dont have a ppm tester to check my water so i cant this this is the absolute cause but it worked. I think autoflowers are really sensitive to this because i had a non auto plant that didn't seem affected but this was from the last batch. Hope this rambling helped and that your plants make a turn for the better.

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well all my stems and veins are red isn't that also a mag def symptom?, on the root sppace issue I just repotted so shud be good..

thanks for the input bro

sagensour said:

Thats y i said it may not be a n problem. Heres the thing. Pure water with some great npk although light like 5 ppm water and 200 ppm npk, u might see the upper part darkin up. Yes pure water is always better. No one will really ever know, so dont expect someone to give an exact answer. U just have to try a couple lil things and when u do make even the lil move, make sure u space them out to find out what worked. Sprayem lightly with what i said and give it a couple days. I spray when lights go off and wash(just water) the leaves right before lights come on. To be sure, use a all around nute, something with most essential elements.

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I cannot get zerowater, closest I have had is 105 PPM, so it will be 200 PPM NPK and foliar feeding just a light spray,

you spray lights off?, isn't that perfect for mold mildew to form??

Straight up G said:

well all my stems and veins are red isn't that also a mag def symptom?, on the root sppace issue I just repotted so shud be good..

thanks for the input bro



I cannot get zerowater, closest I have had is 105 PPM, so it will be 200 PPM NPK and foliar feeding just a light spray,

you spray lights off?, isn't that perfect for mold mildew to form??

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Foliar feeding could help in a lockout situation to relieve some of the stress. Are you using RO water or tap? It could be an MG deficiency as usually red stems would indicate, but I would expect to see leaves twisting and/or "rust" spots starting to form. Even what I call the cheetah print on the leaves, leaves curling up like they are praying etc. Those are all signs of MG deficiency and I don't really see that. They look a little droopy which could just be from overwatering, but doesn't really look like it.

You might be just a little too quick to to try to do something here. You saw it was a little N def. and you made a move, how long have you waited to see improvement? In your journal it looks like it's been about 15-18 days and the plant definitely doesn't look worse. If you keep throwing shit at a plant that is now on the right track you're only sure to throw it back off track again and chase your tail looking for the answers.

You say you just repotted? What kind of soil are you using? I'm starting to feel like there's just a lot of feeding going on with this little plant. How long ago did you transplant and what kind of soil?

That should give us a good start.

laserbrn said:

That should give us a good start.

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I have fed twice so far @ day 27 of an average 60 day life span a 400 PPM then 500 PPM feed,

I am using Bio bizz all-mix, it burned them a little very young but showed very good even growth until the def,

waited 7 days in total for improvement,

I repotted today only because I got roots @ the drainage holes!,

I am using bottled water with a starting PPM of 105, assume it has mag?,

may have overwatered a little in a rush to feed after a between feed watering,

yea there is a few "rust spots" but I think that is from spilling water with pH down in it on the leaves..,

I have lost the three biggest sets of fans to this def and the WHOLE plant is pretty yellow even new growth..

Straight up G said:

I have fed twice so far @ day 27 of an average 60 day life span a 400 PPM then 500 PPM feed,

I am using Bio bizz all-mix, it burned them a little very young but showed very good even growth until the def,

waited 7 days in total for improvement,

I repotted today only because I got roots @ the drainage holes!,

I am using bottled water with a starting PPM of 105, assume it has mag?,

may have overwatered a little in a rush to feed after a between feed watering,

yea there is a few "rust spots" but I think that is from spilling water with pH down in it on the leaves..,

I have lost the three biggest sets of fans to this def and the WHOLE plant is pretty yellow even new growth..

THANKYOU VERY MUCH​

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I feed my autoflowers Molasses and I dont see this in your mix, adding this will not burn or anything and may help, always judge by new growth as suggested before as well. Let the soil dry before feedings and maybe add some molasses. Is it growing again after repot? guess too soon to see would let it dry good

Looks like Nitrogen def, nitrogen deficency causes red veins and yellow pale leaves, which looks like what you're experiencing. I highly doubt you have a P def in veg.

^I am part way in flower, autoflower, tiny veg period, weeks..

shrigpiece said:

i think she needs re-potting

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this is right^^^ the biggest mistake you can make is overfeeding your plant trying to correct the problem! generally this ends up creating more problems than anything. i had the exact same problem last year! looked identical to yours. had two different plants do this. both just needed re-potting! (well i repotted one into a bigger 8 gal. container and put the other in the ground.) solved the problem on both of them. i'm telling you this from experience. not guessing. i looked at the pic you posted and i can guarantee you that if you repot you'll see how the roots are at the bottom of ur pot and are starting to brown/rot! those bottom leaves will fall off eventually...but you'll see a definate difference in your plant(s) after approx 3 weeks to a month. they'll start greening back out and returning to normal after u give those roots some room to breathe/grow in!

no, the picture that comment was about showed the plant one hour after a repot!, are you saying then that it needs repotting after one hour?

doowmd said:

this is right^^^ the biggest mistake you can make is overfeeding your plant trying to correct the problem! generally this ends up creating more problems than anything. i had the exact same problem last year! looked identical to yours. had two different plants do this. both just needed re-potting! (well i repotted one into a bigger 8 gal. container and put the other in the ground.) solved the problem on both of them. i'm telling you this from experience. not guessing. i looked at the pic you posted and i can guarantee you that if you repot you'll see how the roots are at the bottom of ur pot and are starting to brown/rot! those bottom leaves will fall off eventually...but you'll see a definate difference in your plant(s) after approx 3 weeks to a month. they'll start greening back out and returning to normal after u give those roots some room to breathe/grow in!

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I got roots, they were bright green and in perfect condition so I repotted..

no smart ass, i said "repot and you'll see a definate difference in your plant(s) after approx 3 weeks to a month."
i was talking bout pic from page 3. u had repotted before that pic?
and 1 other thing.....why would you waste your time re-potting into such a small container? wat is that like a 3 gallon pot?

doowmd said:

no smart ass, i said "repot and you'll see a definate difference in your plant(s) after approx 3 weeks to a month."

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I think we are having a communication problem here:

I REPOTTED THIS PLANT ONE DAY AGO JUST BEFORE I MADE THIS THREAD IT DOES NOT NEED REPOTTING IT IS NEARLY HALFWAY THROUGH ITS LIFE CYCLE AND WILL NOT BE REPOTTED AGAIN BEFORE HARVEST

SEE A DIFFERENCE IN 3 WEEKS TO A MONTH ARE YOU JOKING IT WILL BE CHOPPED AFTER 5 WEEKS- WHO IS THIS GUY?

hey fuck you then. i was just trying to help ya out. i mean if i'm stupid for saying your gonna see a diff in 3 weeks to a month, how stupid does it make you to say "IT WILL BE CHOPPED AFTER 5 WEEKS" but yet you repotted!?! i mean wtf? if your harvestimng in a month shoulda just let it finish and not come on here expecting some kinda magical cureall! i mean wtf did you expect? someone to tell ya how to make the plant green w/in a week?

yes your right

s.u.g. your in bloom. dont up your N. leave it alone and feed acording to your nute chart. stop tripping out. what you got like 5-6 weeks left? you should be ok.