favorite 90s strains

What about god bud, grapefruit, Williams wonder, Big Sur holy weed, lemon skunk, super silver haze and master kush did somebody say those? It’s been so long lol

Corporal_Biscuit said:

Master Kush. Brings back memories just saying her name.

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Used to grow Dutch Passion Masterkush and I missed that unmistakable citrus scent she had. A while back I started from seed one last WhiteCookies I had and she has that same terp profile! When I first noticed it I was brought right back to those Masterkush days a long time ago.
(24 days since flip)

Boatguy said:

i did some bandaid haze crosses outdoors this year. It is pretty strong.

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Ive got the supposed original bandaid haze 7 from Bodhi in veg now. Shoukd be interesting

Dividedsky said:

To bad Arjan is a charlatan and a thief. Lots of those Dutch guys were showman and businessmen who took advantage of the Cali dudes fleeing harsh drug laws and sentences and heading to Netherlands in the 60s-80s with all their knowledge of growing cannabis. I firmly believe Dutch took what they learned about cannabis grow world(seeds, strains, breeding, clones, grow equip.etc.) from the Cali/Americans and evolved it into a legitimate multi-million dollar business by the 80s and 90s. Got to hand it to the Dutch, they are known as very savvy and highly productive at business.

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Couldn’t agree with that more mate.

kovidkough said:

strain hunters while interesting to watch makes me cringe, yes they are risking alot to get landrace but for how much cost. seems they rip off those poor farms for genetic wins they aren't aware they have

franco is the man

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Not to mention all the landrace seeds and other bits they got hold of and did fuck all with to date. They must be in some locked away box somewhere waiting for his next move.

Franco was definitely a good dude too!

Dividedsky said:

For sure Arjan and greenhouse seed co had legit stuff back in the 90s especially when Shanti was still working there. Arjan screwed Shanti over for sure, Shanti without a doubt was the master breeder of greenhouse seed co. If you're looking for some kicks older/oldschool hazes I would order from Mr Nice, who is owned by Shantibaba. Shanti is a true breeder in every sense of the word. Also I had a buddy who grew some greenhouse seed co strains years back and it all was pretty trash, just bland flowers the smelt like hay even when cured properly, only one that did well and had a great yield was critical kush from ghs, and I would even run that strain these days, not exotic enough for myself and my patients.

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I took a gamble and did a few green house SSH outdoors last summer, bland crap!!

Craigson said:

Ive got the supposed original bandaid haze 7 from Bodhi in veg now. Shoukd be interesting

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They are mighty stretchy. I had to break some branches to keep the height down.

GreenestBasterd said:

Not to mention all the landrace seeds and other bits they got hold of and did fuck all with to date. They must be in some locked away box somewhere waiting for his next move.

Franco was definitely a good dude too!

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You really think they even care at this point, I mean landraces are very interesting and cool but I feel like only a small amount of cannabis enthusiasts would be in to landraces. Its literally go back to square 1 as a building block strain. There's so many hybrids of absolute dank shit around these days that I myself might try 1 or 2 to fuck aground with but that would be it...I like growing bud that smells of fuel and candy these days, a gelato 33 cross I ran this summer was one of the most insanely purple, trichd out bud you'd ever see. Some phenos were literally dark purple, almost black.

I feel I would not find what I'm looking for these days in landrace strains and would assume alot(not all) of landrace strains would have very long flowering times at least 12 weeks plus, that right there is enough to put me off. The other thing is landrace strains are meant to be grown outside in the wild, they will be harder to control indoors, I could imagine some 100%landrace strains stretch would be tough to maintain indoors, especially a sativa. Some newer mordern(cookies,gelatos)strains and hybrids i feel are almost evolving to be grown indoors, its like they thrive under optimum conditions like a temp controlled lab. Best result I've gotten is my main flower room which is sealed with co2 and minisplit a/c. There's vigorous hybrids that I have, that finish in 60-65 days of flower and throw yields, usually can average 6-8zips a plant in 5 gal fabric pots of the craziest, frostiest, terpyiest bud you've ever seen.

Dividedsky said:

You really think they even care at this point, I mean landraces are very interesting and cool but I feel like only a small amount of cannabis enthusiasts would be in to landraces. Its literally go back to square 1 as a building block strain. There's so many hybrids of absolute dank shit around these days that I myself might try 1 or 2 to fuck aground with but that would be it...I like growing bud that smells of fuel and candy these days, a gelato 33 cross I ran this summer was one of the most insanely purple, trichd out bud you'd ever see. Some phenos were literally dark purple, almost black.

I feel I would not find what I'm looking for these days in landrace strains and would assume alot(not all) of landrace strains would have very long flowering times at least 12 weeks plus, that right there is enough to put me off. The other thing is landrace strains are meant to be grown outside in the wild, they will be harder to control indoors, I could imagine some 100%landrace strains stretch would be tough to maintain indoors, especially a sativa. Some newer strains and hybrids i feel are almost evolving to be grown indoors, its like they thrive under optimum conditions like a temp controlled lab. Best result I've gotten is my main flower room which is sealed with co2 and minisplit a/c. There's vigorous hybrids that I have, that finish in 60-65 days of flower and throw yields, usually can average 6-8zips a plant in 5 gal fabric pots of the craziest, frostiest, terpyiest bud you've ever seen.

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The flip side to this, you’re right by the way, is that we might get to point that some strains won’t grow well outdoors. Crazy to think about but a distinct possibility as things progress.

colocowboy said:

The flip side to this, you’re right by the way, is that we might get to point that some strains won’t grow well outdoors. Crazy to think about but a distinct possibility as things progress.

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I agree, I have already seen that kinda happen with certain strains outside some of the ultra boutique hype stuff doesn't thrive outside, and gets slammed with p/m.

colocowboy said:

The flip side to this, you’re right by the way, is that we might get to point that some strains won’t grow well outdoors. Crazy to think about but a distinct possibility as things progress.

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It would be cool if breeders did start crossing with more landraces but it usually doesn't happen because it takes years to get up to a point of getting something close to the level of phenos we are growing now, and the ever changing demand of different strains seems it changes with the wind, so a breeder like Shanti are kinda left behind because he is an actual breeder that works on stabilizing strains. Fuck...most breeders just chuck a cross of regs than pray their packs don't throw herms left and right. Lol.

The hype train these days has caused breeders using other so called breeders packs to find males then dust all their elite female clones, then boom you have a seed company and are a quazi breeder/pollenchucker. The seed game has definitely changed- I remember mid 2000s we looked for seed packs that would have stable similar nice phenos when popping just one pack, no crazy polyhybrid variations. I think of the old seed company(they're still around...they used to have the best ak-47)-serious seeds. With serious seeds I would get very beautiful and nice phenos that didn't have to much variation, no poly variation, or massive structure change, maybe a slightly different smell. Nowadays most people don't care about stabilization, they like pheno hunting and getting 7 completely different female phenos that sometimes doesn't look like it's even the same strain, and yes it can be fun when pheno hunting/looking for a keeper cut, I love it. Nowadays people just accept herms are part of the game and its equivalent to killing off males when it comes to finding a dope pheno. Back then- that was unheard of, you would rarely find a herm plant in a pack of regs from a solid breeder or at least it was never a problem that I noticed. Times have definitely changed, and changing tastes have changed the seed business for sure.

The Dutch growers couldn’t get hardly anything to grow outside from day one, they talk at length about this issue. A lot of what they did was make cannabis more hardy. This is in some ways a trade protection even though it's somewhat inadvertent.

It’s still a truth with modern stuff for exactly what you’re saying, and with hemp farming becoming more prolific outdoor crops won’t be safe any where anyway. My cousins always told me you can’t grow outdoor in the plains already just because of all the wild hemp.

Dividedsky said:

It would be cool if breeders did start crossing with more landraces but it usually doesn't happen because it takes years to get up to a point of getting something close to the level of phenos we are growing now, and the ever changing demand of different strains seems it changea multiple times a month, so a breeder like Shanti are kinda left behind because he is an actual breeder that works on stabilizing strains. Fuck...most breeders just chuck a cross of regs than pray their packs don't throw herms left and right. Lol.

The hype train these days has caused breeders using other so called breeders packs to find males then dust all their elite female clones, then boom you have a seed company and are a quazi breeder/pollenchucker. The seed game has definitely changed- I remember mid 2000s we looked for seed packs that would have stable similar nice phenos when popping just one pack, no crazy polyhybrid variations. I think of the old seed company-serious seeds, I would get very beautiful nice phenos that didn't have to much variation, no poly variation, or structure change, maybe a slightly different smell. Nowadays most people don't care about stabilization, they like pheno hunting and getting 7 completely different female phenos that sometimes doesn't look like it's even the same strain, and yes it can be fun when pheno hunting/looking for a keeper cut, I love it. Nowadays people just accept herms are part of the game and its equivalent to killing off males when it comes to finding a dope pheno. Back then- that was unheard of, you would rarely find a herm plant in a pack of regs from a solid breeder or at least it was never a problem that I noticed. Times have definitely changed, and changing tastes have changed the seed business for sure.

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I agree, it’s weird to see people accept intersex traits as they do. A breeder used to get flamed for that.

The Grape Ape, Blueberry, Purple Urkel, and GDP that I've tried recently from clubs is complete trash compared to the cuts I had in the early 2000s, none of the character and not even the right terpenes. These strains are being dumbed down by poor breeding practices year by year. Too much focus on hammering out new strains for profit and not enough on preserving genetic diversity. At this point I only support breeders that are working to preserve landrace genetics-those are in danger of dying out within our lifetimes.

colocowboy said:

I agree, it’s weird to see people accept intersex traits as they do. A breeder used to get flamed for that.

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100% dude, I'd see posts on here warning of packs throwing alot of herms, back even 8 years ago.Now people do not even care. Hell, seed junky regs packs almost had a guarantee of herms, I've seen plants from seed junky packs herm that were grown in a dialed in to the max, perfect temp controlled flower rooms. Still people didn't mind because you would find at least a gem or 2 in a pack of seed junky. It was fine as long as you were popping packs in separate seed run/pheno hunting areas, separate from your main rooms.

Rurumo said:

The Grape Ape, Blueberry, Purple Urkel, and GDP that I've tried recently from clubs is complete trash compared to the cuts I had in the early 2000s, none of the character and not even the right terpenes. These strains are being dumbed down by poor breeding practices year by year. Too much focus on hammering out new strains for profit and not enough on preserving genetic diversity. At this point I only support breeders that are working to preserve landrace genetics-those are in danger of dying out within our lifetimes.

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Ya lots of the gdp, blueberry, etc these days are just watered down versions of their former glory from the early 2000s. People call purple punch the new age GDP....I laugh at that one- cause the real deal clone-only GDP is a far superior strain to purple punch, by a longshot. Fucking purple punch.....please.

I'll have 100 other growers disagree with me, but I think part of the problem has been the massive uptake of chemical based farming that has gone along with the shift to indoor growing and breeding. There is information lost over time.

I don't think the genetics are being propagated forward properly because we haven't been able to duplicate nature in a laboratory yet. We simply don't understand enough. Organics are the way. This is how all those old school strains were created in the first place -- in the dirt! We didn't get the chemicals until later.

I'm not saying killer strains weren't bred in hydro, but I'm saying that it's hard to ensure genes are successfully carried forward while trying to replicate the natural cycle of nutrient uptake that is normally carried out with the help of all orders of living creatures and organic substances.

GrownAtHighAltitude said:

I'll have 100 other growers disagree with me, but I think part of the problem has been the massive uptake of chemical based farming that has gone along with the shift to indoor growing and breeding. There is information lost over time.

I don't think the genetics are being propagated forward properly because we haven't been able to duplicate nature in a laboratory yet. We simply don't understand enough. Organics are the way. This is how all those old school strains were created in the first place -- in the dirt! We didn't get the chemicals until later.

I'm not saying killer strains weren't bred in hydro, but I'm saying that it's hard to ensure genes are successfully carried forward while trying to replicate the natural cycle of nutrient uptake that is normally carried out with the help of all orders of living creatures and organic substances.

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I mean you can still grow in a somewhat soil-mix with bottled non organic liquid nutes ...promix hp/extra earth worm castings and extra perlite and still grow great/top shelf weed with bottled nutes. All is needed is a simple base npk ratio. No bloom boosters or any of that other shit. There's nothing wrong with that form of growing.

jimihendrix1 said:

You saw Seattle Greg gave Todd McCormick the Original NL5 seeds to grow out, and repopulate??? SG is the original Breeder of NL5.

Nevil actually didnt get the pure NL5 Nobody did.

The pure stuff was
Swazi x Thai x Mexican, and the genes were bred in Hawaii.
Seattle Greg then crossed an Afghan to the Hawaiian and created Northern Lites %. The cut Nevil, and all of Europe got had an extra Afghan breeding mixed in, and made for Afghan dominate plants.
The original NL5 is a BIG Sativa structured plant is what they told me.
Those seeds are on preorder from Authentic Genetics. Buy 12 pack, get 1 pack free. $100 a pack..... But you probably already knew. I wouldnt let these get away.

The guy that still holds the Hawaiian side of the NL5 genetics wants to do a collaboration with McCormick... This version of NL5 has been around since the 70s. Some of the genetics also came from BOEL in the 70s.

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Great info! Thanks for filling in some of the NL blanks.

Are you familiar with Swami Organic Seeds? They're running a lot of crosses with those old genetics.

If you haven't seen this already, you might like this interview with Greg.

CloudHidden said:

Great info! Thanks for filling in some of the NL blanks.

Are you familiar with Swami Organic Seeds? They're running a lot of crosses with those old genetics.

If you haven't seen this already, you might like this interview with Greg.

Episode 1 – Seattle Greg | Breeders Syndicate Podcast

On Episode 1 of Breeders Syndicate: The Matthew Riot Podcast, Seattle Greg joins host Matthew Riot too shed light on the secret history involved with breeding one of the most iconic strains in the world: Northern Lites/Lights. This exclusive interview is proudly presented by Speakeasy.

breederssyndicate.com

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Swami is one of only American breeders doing it right.

Rurumo said:

Swami is one of only American breeders doing it right.

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Are they doing it as good as this American breeder> thugpug?
This is some dried flower from last run in a food safe 5 gallon bucket-