fed up with bogus doctors

OregonMeds said:

Specifically what type of pain do you feel and precdisely where is it? There are often things having absolutely nothing to do with your spine that create back pain you can mistake as spinal. For example kidney infection can cause severe back pain and it's often non specific enough that you can't tell if it's in the spine, or in the muscle next to it, or lungs, or organs.

Does you pain level change day to day for no apparent reason?

Do you truly have other fibro symptoms? Random stabbing/burning pains for absolutely no reason like a charlie horse with no visible sign the muscle is cramping or doing anytying. Pains in completely random areas of your body that can't be explained otherwise. Toothaches, jaw pain, teeth grinding, jaw can feel locked up, name every single symptom you have felt pain wise or otherwise, even things like IBS, and if it coincides with physical activity that makes it worse afterwords or better afterwards or if easting a fat or heavy meal gives pain or not eating at all relieves pain...

Dude I have been there and done that all, I have what they think is fibro and every other back problem under the sun, and on top of that I also had kidney problems but couldn't tell cause I was so used to having back pain and so used to ramdom pain I didn't even know when my system was failing.

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Here's my symptoms,
chronic reacurring back pain from t1 -t9 mri results show increased shmoral node space/ wedgeing of the vertabrate T1-9 my ortho and pain doc says derangment and non spacific back pain, but it think that itd be helpfull to him if he'd look at the mri films.
most of the time the pain is a dull/sick feeling that seems to increase with activity.everyday i have a new pain weather it be a nee or the lower back, sometimes a sholder most times right side. constant stomach irritation from meds and spikes of pain. ive had blood work done with no findings kidney, gul bladder functions ok. actully it was one of my first thoughts ( former paramedic) most days its a fight to get out of bed, disrupted sleep and trouble sleeping. ive been to physacal theropy 5 times for the same thig and no resaults just increased pain.
i mentioned fibro to my family doc , from reaserch ive done on my own i have all 18 trigger points plus and he was willing to put me on the meds for fibro with out much fight, but i declined and told him id rather find out the cause of the problem and treat that. if there is no other explanation then we would go threw that theropy. im willing to fight this but dam do i have to be in pain for the rest of my life i just need some releif two days a week would be nice and releif permanate grand. oh and also i have ibs and tmj unexpalined teeth problems and unexplained foot cramps.

candylime12 said:

Here's my symptoms,
chronic reacurring back pain from t1 -t9 mri results show increased shmoral node space/ wedgeing of the vertabrate T1-9 my ortho and pain doc says derangment and non spacific back pain, but it think that itd be helpfull to him if he'd look at the mri films.
most of the time the pain is a dull/sick feeling that seems to increase with activity.everyday i have a new pain weather it be a nee or the lower back, sometimes a sholder most times right side. constant stomach irritation from meds and spikes of pain. ive had blood work done with no findings kidney, gul bladder functions ok. actully it was one of my first thoughts ( former paramedic) most days its a fight to get out of bed, disrupted sleep and trouble sleeping. ive been to physacal theropy 5 times for the same thig and no resaults just increased pain.
i mentioned fibro to my family doc , from reaserch ive done on my own i have all 18 trigger points plus and he was willing to put me on the meds for fibro with out much fight, but i declined and told him id rather find out the cause of the problem and treat that. if there is no other explanation then we would go threw that theropy. im willing to fight this but dam do i have to be in pain for the rest of my life i just need some releif two days a week would be nice and releif permanate grand. oh and also i have ibs and tmj unexpalined teeth problems and unexplained foot cramps.

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Gotta tell ya, it sounds just like "Fibromyalgia". Sadly the only real way to start reducing that pain is with body work and a combination of Narcotic pain medicine and Cannabis; smoked through a vaporizer to help with the nausea from the pain meds and to increase their effectiveness.

If you value not having pain you MUST look into Myofascial Triggerpoints. The reason people with Fibromyalgia have "Tender points" is because of the state of their myofascial that surrounds every muscle bone and organ in the body!

Press around areas that have pain firmly looking for of the muscle areas that are taut and firm. When you find one of these areas (work slowly) look for a small point in that muscle that gives a "Good" pain.

That is a Myofascial Triggerpoint.

The next part is the treament.

Bodywork.

http://laurensfitness.com/2008/02/24/tennis-ball-part-1-a-tool-you-never-knew-you-had/

I personally reccomend a hard rubberball instead of the soft tennis ball, as people with it bad like us need something harder. There are also a couple of tools you can order like the

http://www.backnobber-store.com/pressurepositive-backnobber2.html?source=google_Back_Knobber&gclid=CJW3kqeM6ZkCFYVM5QodDCdYRw

The more you look into myofascial pain the more you realize its the cause of all your pain as a person with fibromyalgia.

The tricky part is getting your diet right to balance your GI tract which inturn balances your immune system, which in turn will make your muscles stop responding in the way they do to cause pain.

Try not eating any wheat for a month and see how drastically your digestion changes. Most people with Fibromyalgia have a wheat intollerance they do not know about that perpetuates other symptoms: Warning : If you have a wheat problem you will FIEND for it once you stop eating it for a few days.

Life with fibromyalgia can be HELL, but if you dont start massaging your muscles and stop pushing yourself physically it WILL be hell.

Feel free to send me a PM if you ever wanna talk (I've been doing my own detailed research on Fibromyalgia for 7 years) or just vent about how shitty it is.

That all sounds like fibro to me too, TMJ, etc etc yep I got that too. If you also say you get horrible feelings like you're having a cramp that will tear your leg off but you look down at your leg and there is no cramp. If you have constant arms and legs falling asleep. If you have pain like you're being burned all the sudden ramdomly anywhere that can go away in an instant also...

Then we are all in the same boat. (Or rather WERE all in the same boat.)

I started trying to look for the cause myself a year or more ago and found several people who suggested fibro could be the symptoms of an infection or bacteria or actually a combination of more than one. It was suggested to try a round of heavy antibiotics. So, I hopped on ebay and grabbed myself some antibiotics. A little trick here medicine for exotic fish and medicine for people are the same from the same factories in the same capsules and you can buy all the antibiotics you like of many different kinds very cheap because the fish meds aren't controlled.) $20 for 500 Fishmox brand Amoxycillin 500mg capsules.

(Just saying what I did out of sheer desperation. Not suggesting anyone do anything like that themselves.)

I took every last one of the 500 pills and felt like a new man while I was on them. I am not shitting you those are some of the first pain free days I've had in a very very long time. But anyway, after the pills ran out then of course more problems came of a different type. My intestinal flora was hosed, got a c-diff infection and then my whole body itched like mad and then ended up with some other skin infection, fungal.... So now I'm fighting those new things off. My crushed vertibrae and all that stuff hurts less now. It still hurts like hell if I do much but not at all if I do nothing and that's new.

All the odd burning sensations like I was being jabbed with a red hot poker stopped. Cramping pains with no cramping there, stopped.
I have not had hardly any random unexplainable pains since then. (a few, not sure if that's normal maybe it's been so long.) I do still have TMJ, but that's about it off the top of my head.

DO NOT FOLLOW MY STUPID ASS SELF MEDICATING WITHOUT A CLUE METHOD HERE
I only did it because I'm fed fucking up and was willing to die trying to fix myself since my doctor won't and I have no insurance.

Something is working anyway... I'll let you know how it goes if I do get back to fully normal.

Oh forgot another part, not sure if it made a difference or not but they say your brain ends up rewired to some degree where any sensations can get switched like itching can feel like pain or a col breeze can feel like pain and that you can reset that by forcing on real pain and with excercise. (we've all heard that excercise thing but there was no way in hell I could do it.)

So anyway, I picked up a guitar and tried to get some dexterity back in the hand I crushed and maybe learn to play. I fucked with that guitar every single second I could stand the pain. Oh man was the pain bad on the fingers from those strings. But day after day after day of that was also going on at the same time as the antibiotics until finally I could play and it wasn't painful. That really did seem to work and it worked for more than just my hands. It's like my brain's pain receptors were reset. By which thing I'm not sure. I Just figured this might be worth mentioning.

I didn't learn shit about playing the guitar other than parts of songs I figured out by sound and haven't touched the guitars much since then, but am still way better.

If only my back could be fixed. Oh well, just being able to not have pain if I do nothing is a start. Oh and something brought me out of that fibro fog too, if you've experienced that symptom then you know you have fibro for sure, or what they are calling fibro.

damn i really appreciate the response here just lets you know who gives a damn, the drs dont.
the pain i feel is more of a dull, throbbing pain sorta like a tooth ach. and it feels like my muscles are going to rip them self's apart from the muscle tension. I dont have much severe pain other than my back. and shoulders. and constant muscle spasms.
ill take my ibuprofen and my norflex smoke a joint and if i can get baked, it looks like im haveing a seizer. my wife taped it, its funny looking. my wife rubs soft ball sized knots out of my back just about everyday and adjust's my spine also she does better than my chrio I have major adjustment problems also. and its like ive lost my mind i have bad memiory loss. (short term). and it looks like theres inflated ballons on the right side of my spine. getting up outa bed feels like the biggest chore created by man.
im thinking that it maybe several pinched nerves, or impenged disk's from the incresed shmoral nodes and a touch of fibro. but the dr's arent wanting to tell me that im disabled due to this, and ive been out of work for now two years now. my wife got me on public aid for the medical part, and there starting to denie stuff cause the dr's are screwing around with the diagnoses.
what kind of strains are you guys recomending to help with this? right now im smoking shwag it helps but isnt the greatest. i know that b 52 helps and blue barry helps and widow. any suggestions and whare to buy them at so i dont get snaged.

I thank you guys it makes me feel better that im not just talking to empty air and gaining the knowlage to combat the dr's, just think its funny before my head injury they woulda never gotten away with this crap. after my head injury every year something declines health, cognative brain issues, memorie retenshion.

Fibro "Fog" is a horrible horrible symptom. The technical term for it is overlapping short-term amnesia, its caused by restricted blood flow to certain areas of the brain but the cause behind the restriction has many theories. Its crazy completely forgetting things constantly, only to remember when you see something half finished, or find your keys in the fridge.

I really wish I had more knowledge to share on the effects of individual strains on the crazy list of symptoms were all experiencing. I'm desperately trying to get my grow together so I can gather such information. (Not to mention cut back on these shitty pain killers that make me ill if i take enough to actually work)

Ive had to quit one of the most rewarding carear's that i loved ( firefighter/paramedic)
because short term memory is a big help when your trying to figure out why this person suddenly fainted etc. so i know what your talking about it sucks and can be very scary at times. i seem to come out of that when i smoke mother natures remody.
should i go threw with this phsyacal therapy ?????? opinions please.
Im goingto tell them ill do the physical torcher but i need some good meds. no meds no torture.

I'd go through with the Physical Therapy (I used to be a personal trainer, now I can't bend over without tremendous pain) but you want to work with people who have practice with "Myofascial Release". Basically your physical pain wont go away until you find and destroy (isometric pressure directly on the trigger points for extended periods of time: 30 seconds to 5 minutes, or Injections into the trigger points to release them)) those trigger points. It can be hard to explain to medical professionals that you need them to squash the knots in your muscles when they have never done it before. You really have to apply alot of pressure for a good long time to get them to release, and then after you get it to release stretch as often as you can (Every half hour or so, just for 30 secconds or so).

Short term memory loss due to fibro fog, that's only half of it. I couldn't even make the simplest of decisions when it was at it's worst. Go into the grocery store and just stand there, staring, confused about what I was going to get or trying to remember how to do simple division to figure out which item is cheaper or whatever. The stupidist things you can think of I couldn't do. And I'm not talking regular staring into the refridgerator confused, I mean two bags of chips, 30 minutes to decide which I should buy and then couldn't finish shopping because the pain got too bad from standing there so long.

At my worst I couldn't even explain to the doctor half the symptoms or trouble I had been having lately because I either couldn't come up with the words or flat out couldn't remember.

I never could get social security because when I had to see their doc I couldn't do anything but answer yes or no questions. He'd ask something like tell me what fibro is like and that was too complicated. I could only think of a few things, when I live with the damn shit every minute. I'm sure they though I was faking or nuts or just retarted.



Scary and very disturbing. I really thought for sure I had some brain tumor or something.

OregonMeds said:

Short term memory loss due to fibro fog, that's only half of it. I couldn't even make the simplest of decisions when it was at it's worst. Go into the grocery store and just stand there, staring, confused about what I was going to get or trying to remember how to do simple division to figure out which item is cheaper or whatever. The stupidist things you can think of I couldn't do. And I'm not talking regular staring into the refridgerator confused, I mean two bags of chips, 30 minutes to decide which I should buy and then couldn't finish shopping because the pain got too bad from standing there so long.

At my worst I couldn't even explain to the doctor half the symptoms or trouble I had been having lately because I either couldn't come up with the words or flat out couldn't remember.

I never could get social security because when I had to see their doc I couldn't do anything but answer yes or no questions. He'd ask something like tell me what fibro is like and that was too complicated. I could only think of a few things, when I live with the damn shit every minute. I'm sure they though I was faking or nuts or just retarted.



Scary and very disturbing. I really thought for sure I had some brain tumor or something.

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I know what you mean about forgetting alot, I do the same thing at the doc's office. I told them sto slow down and talk like a human.
It didnt go very far but at least i spoke my mind right.
I think that the fog is just your brain's way of dealing with the pain, i tend to notice the more pain im in the worse the " fog " is. what sucks is when your traveling somewhere that youve been to several times and you get completly lost ~!!!!!! right !!!!!! how screwed is that.

OregonMeds said:

Short term memory loss due to fibro fog, that's only half of it. I couldn't even make the simplest of decisions when it was at it's worst. Go into the grocery store and just stand there, staring, confused about what I was going to get or trying to remember how to do simple division to figure out which item is cheaper or whatever. The stupidist things you can think of I couldn't do. And I'm not talking regular staring into the refridgerator confused, I mean two bags of chips, 30 minutes to decide which I should buy and then couldn't finish shopping because the pain got too bad from standing there so long.

At my worst I couldn't even explain to the doctor half the symptoms or trouble I had been having lately because I either couldn't come up with the words or flat out couldn't remember.

I never could get social security because when I had to see their doc I couldn't do anything but answer yes or no questions. He'd ask something like tell me what fibro is like and that was too complicated. I could only think of a few things, when I live with the damn shit every minute. I'm sure they though I was faking or nuts or just retarted.



Scary and very disturbing. I really thought for sure I had some brain tumor or something.

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relativeood said:

I'd go through with the Physical Therapy (I used to be a personal trainer, now I can't bend over without tremendous pain) but you want to work with people who have practice with "Myofascial Release". Basically your physical pain wont go away until you find and destroy (isometric pressure directly on the trigger points for extended periods of time: 30 seconds to 5 minutes, or Injections into the trigger points to release them)) those trigger points. It can be hard to explain to medical professionals that you need them to squash the knots in your muscles when they have never done it before. You really have to apply alot of pressure for a good long time to get them to release, and then after you get it to release stretch as often as you can (Every half hour or so, just for 30 secconds or so).

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i streatch all the time and i too did a small bout of training, i stoped from the pain. DO you agree with me about going to training but demanding meds??????? and what should i ask for ???? that doesnt make me sound like a addict. i was figureing that ibuprfan and my norflex and a fattie does a nice job but theres some days whare nothing helps and these are the days i would take maybee a 500mg vicodin with the norflex and a little smoke. ID think that would do me ok for a while. or if you have any ideas let me know.

You need the Physical Therapy, but you do NOT need to be exercising!!! NO RESISTANCE TRAINING UNLESS YOU ARE RECOVERING FROM SURGERY/INJURY!!!

I know that everyone thinks we should exercise because we are not very active, but its because WERE NOT SUPPOSE TO BE! Take it from my experience, exercise will destroy whats left of your muscles, you have to wait until you're healthy to exercise!

I would recommend the PT as long as its just massage and stretching. It wont be painful to do at PT (Unless someone working on you actually knows myofascial release techniques), but when you get home you have to continue putting serious pressure on your worse trigger points and continue to stretch. All day, everyday, until your bad pain starts to fade.

The only problems with having to do this is:

1. It IS painful. (5 mg of vicodin can work awesome if you smoke an hour after you take it)
2. You have to work on yourself as soon as you feel tightness and/or pain come back. Which in the beginning will probably be every hour. Possible for weeks, or months.
3.This lifestyle pretty much requires ganja as you are hurting yourself all day long and are not capable of much else. Sometimes for weeks or months on end.

The pt starts tomorrow arnt i special. basically i just want to get my life back, and do some of the things that i used to, like get out of the house. my wife is getting upset all the time because i don't want to do things with her like go to the park with the kids, grocery shopping. things that everybody should be able to do with out going insane in pain and trying not to get bitchy when its uncomfortable trying to do these things. and sometimes i dont think she believes how much pain im in on a daily basis.
In fact today I guess i screwed up bad. got that cold shoulder and the crying about all the forget fullness, and the fatigue. But she doesn't know that im aware of this problem and that's y im going to the doc's and putting my self into a spot that, like you said is going to suck for awhile. If you have any ideas on that subject let me know.
the ortho i see is always having my bend back wards with his hand on my back for support and then he'll pull me back farther and that hurts like hell let me tell yea he calls it flex ton exercise. this action puts me up in bed for at least two days and i dont have a choice because i dont have any thing to take the pain away. ill just sit there in tears all day. take what ever meds i have and smoke all day to hopefully get some releif. but try to tell my doc that he literally says it cant be that bad.
thats why tomorrow im going to pt with a attitude. and speaking my mind. i figure thay arnt given me any thing for pain anyhow so whats the difference right. ill give it a small chance and be nice for awhile at first.
thanks for your input and advice ill be calling on all you in the future.

candylime12 said:

The pt starts tomorrow arnt i special. basically i just want to get my life back, and do some of the things that i used to, like get out of the house. my wife is getting upset all the time because i don't want to do things with her like go to the park with the kids, grocery shopping. things that everybody should be able to do with out going insane in pain and trying not to get bitchy when its uncomfortable trying to do these things. and sometimes i dont think she believes how much pain im in on a daily basis.
In fact today I guess i screwed up bad. got that cold shoulder and the crying about all the forget fullness, and the fatigue. But she doesn't know that im aware of this problem and that's y im going to the doc's and putting my self into a spot that, like you said is going to suck for awhile. If you have any ideas on that subject let me know.
the ortho i see is always having my bend back wards with his hand on my back for support and then he'll pull me back farther and that hurts like hell let me tell yea he calls it flex ton exercise. this action puts me up in bed for at least two days and i dont have a choice because i dont have any thing to take the pain away. ill just sit there in tears all day. take what ever meds i have and smoke all day to hopefully get some releif. but try to tell my doc that he literally says it cant be that bad.
thats why tomorrow im going to pt with a attitude. and speaking my mind. i figure thay arnt given me any thing for pain anyhow so whats the difference right. ill give it a small chance and be nice for awhile at first.
thanks for your input and advice ill be calling on all you in the future.

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Never let your doctor do that to you ever again!

You have NO MUSCLES IN YOUR SPINE that support bending back words!!!

In fact the exact OPPOSITE motion is what you need! You want to decompress the spine, not compress it!


Actually, I would recommend that you do some spinal decompression as the latest studies on Fibromyalgia show it as an effective part of a healing routine.

You have to be sure to stretch (Especially your spine) slowly, extremely slowly in fact. If you stretch to fast the myofascia will actually tighten up to protect its self the muscles and bones, so you have to do it very slowly and focus on lengthening the muscles: not moving further.

Really, the best of luck to you. One can not even begin to describe the complexities that life takes on once you have lost your ability to do most everything, but still look healthy. All I can stress is communication. Its important to tell your wife the intricacies of your pain and symptoms so she can better understand why you can not, or will not hurt yourself trying to do things. Sadly this does not mean that she will understand (unless she ends up getting it herself... like my wife... life is a bitch) but she can only begin to understand and support you once you lay everything out on the line.

Make sure that she knows how upset you are about the things you can no longer do. I know this is the hardest thing to do; admit and mourn what you have lost, but this way she is involved with the process in a supporting role.

I'm so sorry to hear that you are having to deal with these vicious ailments.

It gets easier, but it does not get better. I hope beyond hope that we can find a way to heal.


Best of luck with the PT, remember communication is key.

I never found activity or excercise or stretching or anything like that to work while on pain meds, got nowhere for years. Stopped ALL pain meds, only smoked, and intentionally not while trying to work on my body only after. I only worked out my hands also and it was only playing guitar so we aren't talking about strenuous excercise just something you can stand that makes you as active as you can be but IS PAINFUL. I really do think you have to suffer through the pain to get better and that narcotics interfere with getting better. It's only a hunch, for all I know it could be just the antibiotic that helped but then again I had taken a couple rounds of z-pac antibiotics before and that alone didn't help.

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relativeood said:

Never let your doctor do that to you ever again!

You have NO MUSCLES IN YOUR SPINE that support bending back words!!!

In fact the exact OPPOSITE motion is what you need! You want to decompress the spine, not compress it!


Actually, I would recommend that you do some spinal decompression as the latest studies on Fibromyalgia show it as an effective part of a healing routine.

You have to be sure to stretch (Especially your spine) slowly, extremely slowly in fact. If you stretch to fast the myofascia will actually tighten up to protect its self the muscles and bones, so you have to do it very slowly and focus on lengthening the muscles: not moving further.

Really, the best of luck to you. One can not even begin to describe the complexities that life takes on once you have lost your ability to do most everything, but still look healthy. All I can stress is communication. Its important to tell your wife the intricacies of your pain and symptoms so she can better understand why you can not, or will not hurt yourself trying to do things. Sadly this does not mean that she will understand (unless she ends up getting it herself... like my wife... life is a bitch) but she can only begin to understand and support you once you lay everything out on the line.

Make sure that she knows how upset you are about the things you can no longer do. I know this is the hardest thing to do; admit and mourn what you have lost, but this way she is involved with the process in a supporting role.

I'm so sorry to hear that you are having to deal with these vicious ailments.

It gets easier, but it does not get better. I hope beyond hope that we can find a way to heal.


Best of luck with the PT, remember communication is key.

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I thought that, those movements were a little excessive, id under stand If i was a gymnast or something. but i guess when you in pain and someone that calls them self a doc does something you dont think, you just want the pain to go away.
just from talking with the people from rui (props) im starting to learn that its good to do your research, just because a person goes threw 6 to 8 years of schooling (med school) doesn't always mean that ther rite about your treatment. to say im despratly waiting for my mind to come back, and not to be clouded with pain.
bye the way what strain helps you the best im looking for ideas????

OregonMeds said:

I never found activity or excercise or stretching or anything like that to work while on pain meds, got nowhere for years. Stopped ALL pain meds, only smoked, and intentionally not while trying to work on my body only after. I only worked out my hands also and it was only playing guitar so we aren't talking about strenuous excercise just something you can stand that makes you as active as you can be but IS PAINFUL. I really do think you have to suffer through the pain to get better and that narcotics interfere with getting better. It's only a hunch, for all I know it could be just the antibiotic that helped but then again I had taken a couple rounds of z-pac antibiotics before and that alone didn't help.

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I understand what your trying to say, the way im taking it is.
you have to reset you pain tolerance. pushing threw but not going to far to induce injury to ones self. ive tryed this many times pushing threw, but yet trying not to injure my self, its hard to do. for me it just created moor pain and moor symptoms. im not looking to get narco's if anyone knows of a med that is non nercotic but gets the job done pleaase let me know. but as far as i know. i was on tramodal and and it felt like i didnt take anything. and i cant take the tramodol with my muscle relaxer ( that helps ) it makes me feel like i cant breath.

I saw a lot of people throwing out fibromyalgia. Personally, that is way too overdiagnosed, and there are no tests that either prove/disprove its existence. Nothing that shows on the bloodwork, MRI's or otherwise. I wouldn't suggest seeking meds for fibromyalgia. I also wouldn't suggest using "pills" to kill the pain. You say you want to get out more, right? Painkillers, muscle relaxants are not going to encourage that...personally, they'd keep my butt in bed. They won't exactly help your brain fog problem either.
I hate to say it, but exercise and stretching is KEY to getting it all back. I WISH my health provider would pay for physical therapy. Take advantage of that!!!
Last suggestion......find an awesome strain. I'd personally love to get my hands on some Silver Haze, Jack Herer...oh, I could just go on and on.
I say drop all the pills. Doctors are trained to offer you the "latest wonder drug"....I just don't trust pharmaceuticals. For that matter, I don't trust the entire pharmaceutical industry.

Damn man, I know what you mean. I slipped a disc or herniated it or something 4 days ago. I still don't know, because the doctor was "unable" to tell me what was wrong. Having him ask me to try turn forward, back, side to side, as he felt the muscles in my back was all he did. I told him the pain is non-stop, and it's really hard to focus on anything, or get anything done because of it, and even my leg all the way down to my foot was tingly and numb. He just stood there with an almost EXASPERATED look on his face and said, "From what you are describing painwise, I can't tell that there's anything wrong with you. The amount of pain you're describing doesn't match your symptoms." Basically, he may as well have just called me a liar. As if I wasn't insulted enough, it took all the verbal restraint I had in me not to say, "With all your expertise, years of schooling, and plaques hanging on the wall, you still can't tell what's wrong with me? What kind of fuckin' "doctor" are you?!! I came here for an accurate diagnosis, and at least for the moment, something that will help at least mask the pain, and I'm leaving here with neither."

I've had periodic bits of back pain on and off for many years now, but this last doctor was the worst. It just pisses me off that I can't get a least a decent diagnosis. I ended up leaving with a precription for Naproxen and Flexeril. What a joke. I NEED Vicodin or something! This Naproxen isn't doing shit, and the flexeril just puts me to sleep. The health care system has gotten so apprehensive about writing prescriptions for those type painkillers because of their addictive nature that people like me who are in legitimate PAIN, are stuck with scrips for Naproxen and insulting doctors. I swear to God I wanna bitchslap that fuck next time!

doctors can't give you narcotics on your first visit even if you chopped your arm clean off. They'd send you to the ER where they can. And yes my fucking doc has pulled that crap on me a couple of times where he just flat doesn't believe me or something and it's extremely frustrating and insulting. The last time was just over the syptom of feeling I have to pee all the time, waking up feeling like I had to pee like a racehorse and then in reality finding out it was for practically nothing.

Didn't believe it at all when I didn't have to pee _on the spot that morning_ and had to drink a bunch of water and hang around until I could. I was livid. I didn't understand why either and then I did my own research AGAIN and I found that is a common symptom of fibro and my doc should have known that. I'm not the only patient of his with fibro.

Push through the pain but don't do anything like lifting weights or stretching to where you could hurt yourself. Just do something physical every day and push and push to do more and more every day killing yourself for two months and see how it works out. I know it's absolute hell but what are the options?

The rest of your life with pain every day for no good reason, that's the other option. It was worth a shot for me, only you know if you're willing to go through that much pain to find out if it might help you too.

Lyrica did help soften the pain and is supposedly non narcotic but it won't help you get out of the symptoms only stay where you are. I hope you have health insurance if you do decide to try it because it's crazy crazy expensive. I still suggest you stay well away from it if you can't have drugs around without abusing them. It's supposedly non narcotic but if you take a few of them you'll be high as a fucking kite so how non narcotic can that really be? No other non narcotic helped me other than muscle relaxers or advil/ibuprofen/tylenol in combinations with eachother and those not much at all really just better than nothing.

My favorite strain so far for fibro was Cindy99. It's anti depressant properties and a high without dragging you down is what I liked most about it. Smoke too much and you'll sleep but the right amount and you can get on with a normal day and not feel too out of it like other medical strains can make you feel.

Also Jack Herer if you don't need to think and work.