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Fedral judge lol's at Obama Florida voter purge is legal
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I am not talking about misrepresenting themselves on a message board. You are not addressing the issue. I am discussing the right to vote and the right to exercise your free speech and the power of the press. If we need an ID to exercise our right to vote, then surely we need an ID to post on this board and exercise our 1st Amendment rights. You are not addressing the issue. Please do so.
Your speeding analogy is not relevant. THe fact is that there may not have been any speeders today, but what about yesterday? And you are not comparing the same thing as I am. I am discussing our rights as US citizens. Speeding is not a right. You are also using only your street as an example, but what about other streets? We are talking about a national issue (voter fraud) and not an isolated incident. But please explain to us how it is relevant.
desert dude
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I will address your question. You do not need an ID to exercise your 1st amendment rights and you do to vote.
You don't understand the meaning of de-facto, do you? The fact is that making someone purchase something to exercise their constitutional rights is a defacto tax. THerefore unless IDs are free to all by being paid for through tax dollars it is not a poll tax. Or you can go about not requiring it which does not make it a tax. Is the logic to comprehend?
Why should you need it to exercise one right versus another? Why can you attend a church without ID? How is it OK to require ID to exercise your rights?
ChesusRice
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WWRPD?
I wonder if having a ID to vote is in the constitution?
or disenfranchising ex felons
Seems to me the Republicans are masters at voter disenfranchment
I wonder if having a ID to vote is in the constitution?
or disenfranchising ex felons
Seems to me the Republicans are masters at voter disenfranchment
nontheist
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I thought we settled this, if you have to have an ID to use insurance your now required to buy then it isnt a tax.....works for Obama
desert dude
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Churches are allowed to require ID if they want to, it's entirely up to them.
Mr Neutron
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It's not???
ginwilly
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my apologies for not really understanding you. It almost sounds like you are making my argument for me. That speeding occurs all over the place, not just my street, so we need to watch all streets. Somebody might not have sped(committed fraud) but they might speed (commit fraud) tomorrow. We use police and radar to discourage this illegal activity, we want to use ID to discourage voter fraud, it's that simple.
lol at voting being a constitutional right, where have you been man? If you realize it's not a right protected by the constitution does that change your stance?
ChesusRice
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Lets just skip the semantics, the analogies the metaphores
The Republicans are only interested in making it harder for a certain group of voters to vote.
They have the statistics and know that disenfranchising certain groups by whatever means possible is to their advantage.
Old people, ex felons young people trend to the democratic side of the vote. These are also the demographic that tends not to have what the republicans demand in the laws they pass.
And it isnt all about ID either.
The Republicans purge voter rolls and practice vote caging. They gerrymander districts and they even do election day dirty tricks
In wisconsin they were robocalling houses and telling people. If you sighned the recall petitions. You do not have to vote you already have.
So please spare us all the faux argument that election fraud is a problem. It is not and never has been. If it was there would be evidence in the form of prosecutions for it.
The Republicans are only interested in making it harder for a certain group of voters to vote.
They have the statistics and know that disenfranchising certain groups by whatever means possible is to their advantage.
Old people, ex felons young people trend to the democratic side of the vote. These are also the demographic that tends not to have what the republicans demand in the laws they pass.
And it isnt all about ID either.
The Republicans purge voter rolls and practice vote caging. They gerrymander districts and they even do election day dirty tricks
In wisconsin they were robocalling houses and telling people. If you sighned the recall petitions. You do not have to vote you already have.
So please spare us all the faux argument that election fraud is a problem. It is not and never has been. If it was there would be evidence in the form of prosecutions for it.
ginwilly
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I don't want to see voter fraud no matter which team does it.
disenfranchised? lol man ex-felons will have ID, if the elderly don't have ID let's pay for the first one, if young people are too lazy to get an ID then fuck em, they are not capable of making an informed decision.
why do you want to protect the ability to subvert 1 person, 1 vote?
edit: I'll play your game and put it this way Chesus
Let's face it, the only reason the dems don't want voter ID is because they know they can't win the next election without cheating. They can't pay voters more than once to vote and the dead can't show up in person.
disenfranchised? lol man ex-felons will have ID, if the elderly don't have ID let's pay for the first one, if young people are too lazy to get an ID then fuck em, they are not capable of making an informed decision.
why do you want to protect the ability to subvert 1 person, 1 vote?
edit: I'll play your game and put it this way Chesus
Let's face it, the only reason the dems don't want voter ID is because they know they can't win the next election without cheating. They can't pay voters more than once to vote and the dead can't show up in person.
ChesusRice
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A top Pennsylvania Republican’s remark this weekend that the state’s new voter ID law would help Mitt Romney win the state has reignited a debate over whether the law is intended to curb fraud, as Republicans say, or to depress Democratic turnout, as Democrats charge.
The remark was made by Mike Turzai, the state’s House majority leader, when he spoke over the weekend to a meeting of the Republican State Committee and ticked off a number of recent conservative achievements by Pennsylvania’s Republican-led legislature.
“Voter ID, which is gonna allow Governor Romney to win the state of Pennsylvania, done,” he said, according to a report on PoliticsPA.com, a Web site that covers political news.
ChesusRice
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All told, a dozen states have approved new obstacles to voting. Kansas and Alabama now require would-be voters to provide proof of citizenship before registering. Florida and Texas made it harder for groups like the League of Women Voters to register new voters. Maine repealed Election Day voter registration, which had been on the books since 1973. Five states – Florida, Georgia, Ohio, Tennessee and West Virginia – cut short their early voting periods. Florida and Iowa barred all ex-felons from the polls, disenfranchising thousands of previously eligible voters. And six states controlled by Republican governors and legislatures – Alabama, Kansas, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas and Wisconsin – will require voters to produce a government-issued ID before casting ballots. More than 10 percent of U.S. citizens lack such identification, and the numbers are even higher among constituencies that traditionally lean Democratic – including 18 percent of young voters and 25 percent of African-Americans.
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830#ixzz1zW7qWU7G
Read more: http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-gop-war-on-voting-20110830#ixzz1zW7qWU7G
ginwilly
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so the real truth comes out. You guys can't win without cheating so you are only trying to protect your ability to cheat, shoulda known. All that partisan crap talk was just smokescreens.
pretty clever really because I agree, I don't think you can win without cheating either
pretty clever really because I agree, I don't think you can win without cheating either
ChesusRice
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You are not here for debate ginwilly.
UncleBuck
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cheating is trying to disenfranchise 10% of voters with an unconstitutional de facto poll tax to combat voter fraud to the tune of 0.00023% or so.
ginwilly
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I don't know what else to say to ya man. I believe there is voter fraud that would be severely curtailed by requiring ID because the democratic act of voting is sacred and should be protected as such. An act that states have required for the Democratic primaries without a peep from anyone.
If you guys had complained about not being able to cheat against each other I might take you serious, but you didn't, so I'm not.
If you guys had complained about not being able to cheat against each other I might take you serious, but you didn't, so I'm not.
ChesusRice
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In the 1964 presidential elections, a young political operative named Bill guarded a largely African-American polling place in South Phoenix, Arizona like a bull mastiff.Bill was a legal whiz who knew the ins and outs of voting law and insisted that every obscure provision be applied, no matter what. He even made those who spoke accented English interpret parts of the constitution to prove that they understood it. The lines were long, people fought, got tired or had to go to work, and many of them left without voting. It was a notorious episode long remembered in Phoenix political circles.
It turned out that it was part of a Republican Party strategy known as "Operation Eagle Eye", and "Bill" was future Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist. He was confronted with his intimidation tactics in his confirmation hearings years later, and characterised his behaviour as simple arbitration of polling place disputes. In doing so, he set a standard for GOP dishonesty and obfuscation surrounding voting rights that continues to this day.
It turned out that it was part of a Republican Party strategy known as "Operation Eagle Eye", and "Bill" was future Supreme Court Justice William Rehnquist. He was confronted with his intimidation tactics in his confirmation hearings years later, and characterised his behaviour as simple arbitration of polling place disputes. In doing so, he set a standard for GOP dishonesty and obfuscation surrounding voting rights that continues to this day.
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