abandonconflict
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Degree is determined by motive.Not true. Two crackers can try to kill each other. If one happened to be gay and lost, it becomes a hate crime. Hate is determined by protected class.
Degree is determined by motive.Not true. Two crackers can try to kill each other. If one happened to be gay and lost, it becomes a hate crime. Hate is determined by protected class.
Degree should be determined by suffering inflicted.Degree is determined by motive.
Suffering inflicted is one of the things a court observes when deciding the degree of a crime.Degree should be determined by suffering inflicted.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/degree-of-crime/Degree of crime refers to the classification of a single crime into several grades of guilt. The degree of crime is determined according to the circumstances necessitating the commission of the crime. For example, type of injury and aggravating factors. One way to determine the degree of crime is to calculate the amount of damages that can be claimed.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime
- laws defining specific bias-motivated acts as distinct crimes;
- criminal penalty-enhancement laws;
- laws creating a distinct civil cause of action for hate crimes; and
- laws requiring administrative agencies to collect hate crime statistics.
I know it is. In my state, generally speaking, we dont give the death penalty to folks who quickly dispatch their victims.Suffering inflicted is one of the things a court observes when deciding the degree of a crime.
Aren't you studying law or something?
http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/degree-of-crime/
A "hate crime" law generally falls in to one of several categories:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_crime
Now, I'm going to stipulate that I am not defending the laws, but defining. Overall, I think that committing a crime against a person because of a bias is sociopathic and that there is no way to rehabilitate a sociopath. I can't change the laws and while you are free to cavil as you please, I'm just going to point out that in so doing, you belie a lack of grasp of the intent of the laws, as did Ginwilly. The intent specifically, is to add an extra charge. For example, if someone punches you out for being homosexual, they would be charged with assault and with "bias motivated crime" or "hate crime". However in some cases it only provides for enhanced punishment. In absolutely no cases do these laws ever intend leniency for criminals who commit crimes with out bias.
In the United States, the first such laws were designed to combat the KKK.
You didn't answer my question. So clearly distortion is your thingI would demand no less justice if a white man killed my mother for nefarious reasons than if a black man did it.
Feel free to change this to mean whatever you want, it's your thing.
In fairness I'll answer your question now. Under hate crime legislation, it would have to be determined since race played a part in the first murder, it would also have to be determined if it played a role in the 2nd. Did I kill them because they killed my mother or because they killed my mother AND were a different race. I'm not in favor of putting juries in that position.
And don't worry, you'll get called racist for being against hate crimes, but by people who call everyone a racist who disagrees with their agenda.
You can't seriously be that dense and dishonest.You didn't answer my question. So clearly distortion is your thing
Do you think that there is a difference between someone murdering your mother over race and you murdering that person months later in a well planned retaliation?
he will never respond to the very clear distinction you are making because to acknowledge it would be to acknowledge the basis for hate crimes.You didn't answer my question. So clearly distortion is your thing
Do you think that there is a difference between someone murdering your mother over race and you murdering that person months later in a well planned retaliation?
you clearly demonstrated that you don't get what a hate crime even is, so you should probably not bother opening your mouth to remove all doubt.I would demand no less justice if a white man killed my mother for nefarious reasons than if a black man did it.
Matthew Sheppard was the name of the gay guy in Wyoming that was part of the initial push for hate crimes.he will never respond to the very clear distinction you are making because to acknowledge it would be to acknowledge the basis for hate crimes.
ginwilly thinks hate crimes are a method of persecuting whites, not punishing racism and bigotry. to acknowledge otherwise would damage his retarded worldview in which whites are some kind of persecuted faction that must bravely stand up to those whiny and demanding minority types.
the rest of society sees the distinction though, and recognizes the extra heinousness involved in killing or hurting someone solely due to their skin color or sexual preference.
At least he declared victory.he will never respond to the very clear distinction you are making because to acknowledge it would be to acknowledge the basis for hate crimes.
ginwilly thinks hate crimes are a method of persecuting whites, not punishing racism and bigotry. to acknowledge otherwise would damage his retarded worldview in which whites are some kind of persecuted faction that must bravely stand up to those whiny and demanding minority types.
the rest of society sees the distinction though, and recognizes the extra heinousness involved in killing or hurting someone solely due to their skin color or sexual preference.
Because you were pretty obvious in your straw grasping.At least he declared victory.
I don't know where to begin with that.At least he declared victory.
try convincing someone else. i just watched a documentary about skinheads and their prevalence.Matthew Sheppard was the name of the gay guy in Wyoming that was part of the initial push for hate crimes.
He wasn't killed just because he was gay. He fucking kissed and brokebacked the wrong guy at a bar.
I'm not defending the resulting action of going out and beating him and tying him to a fence to die.
But the instances of "hey, there is a black/queer/mexican, wouldn't it be funny if I killed him" are very rare.
I've never seen one of these skinheads.try convincing someone else. i just watched a documentary about skinheads and their prevalence.
the SPLC doesn't exist for nothing, ya know.