fem seed brings male again??
- Thread starter Alexoxox
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Some breeders don't do as well of a job making fem seeds as others. I've gotten males before from fems, but usually when you pay the top dollar for the high quality breeders you get genetics that reflect that. With cheap seeds sometimes its a crap shoot, some win and some dont. Seems like your luck hasn't been very good.
Little Tommy
Well-Known Member
The color temperature of the light has no affect on the sex of the plant. I have never gotten a male from FEM seeds.
TokeSmoker420
Active Member
Only way u got a male off a feminized seed is if you dealt with shady seedbanks and breeders. if you buy from a reputable source, you will get 100% female, and at worst, it will turn hermie on you if you dont treat her right.
When breeders create feminized seeds, there is 0% for a male. They use Colladial Silver or something like that, to turn a female, into a hermie (so it produces pollen). they then take that pollen, and pollenate "true" females. the ones that just have female parts. The XX gene is locked into the hermies pollen, and the XX gene is locked into the female mother. This results in ALL offspring being XX genetics. since the hermie was a "XX" and went to "XXY" (a hermie). ALL the offspring have a chance of going from XX genetic to XXY (hermie) genetic if treated badly. things such as environmental conditions, lighting interuption, etc.
breeders using colladial silver in breeding, their product has a much less chance of going hermie.
so in short, its impossible to get males off fem seeds, You can only get Females and Hermies. which can easily be mistaken as a male. deal with more reputable breeders and im sure you wont have a problem.
peace
When breeders create feminized seeds, there is 0% for a male. They use Colladial Silver or something like that, to turn a female, into a hermie (so it produces pollen). they then take that pollen, and pollenate "true" females. the ones that just have female parts. The XX gene is locked into the hermies pollen, and the XX gene is locked into the female mother. This results in ALL offspring being XX genetics. since the hermie was a "XX" and went to "XXY" (a hermie). ALL the offspring have a chance of going from XX genetic to XXY (hermie) genetic if treated badly. things such as environmental conditions, lighting interuption, etc.
breeders using colladial silver in breeding, their product has a much less chance of going hermie.
so in short, its impossible to get males off fem seeds, You can only get Females and Hermies. which can easily be mistaken as a male. deal with more reputable breeders and im sure you wont have a problem.
peace
TruenoAE86coupe
Moderator
As much as you may all believe that you CANNOT get a male from even quality fem seeds, you are wrong. Search on here for how many people this has happened to, not uncommon. As much as the xx theory works in your mind you are forgeting 1 thing, mother nature. She will make sure that the plants try to carry on the species. If you do a lot of research on this you will find out that "feminized" seeds were originally called "female" seeds but after soo many complaints of not just hermies, but also males, they changed the name the "feminized" seeds. That is what they are, feminized, therefore MORE likely to produce a female, but no promises. I am sure you are all saying i am wrong right now, and if you are i encourage you to investigate further, as i have spent a fair amount of time on this, wanted to know the risks of not only growing fem seeds, but also making fem seeds.
TokeSmoker420
Active Member
alot of the people on this site also have no idea wat a male and female is, not to mention the botany of the plant.
you are wrong bro. ive grown hundreds of fem seeds, all female. there is no chance for male, you cant make seeds with XX genetics locked in go to XY genetics. Mother natrue wont allow it. what mother nature does to ensure the survival of the species is if the plant feels it needs to produce its own seeds, itll go from either a XX or XY to a XXY (hermie). many noobs get hermies and go "OMG MALE OFF A FEM SEEED"
read up on genetics, and marijuana reproduction methods, and the science behind it. a feminized seed is produced, so that the XX gene is locked in. so it only has 2 courses it can take. XX or XXY. it can NEVER be a XY (male). if it were to pop out a NATURAL male, it would go against the laws of science. and to say that THAT IS POSSIBLE, would be the most idiotic thing posted on any forum, ever.
TruenoAE86coupe
Moderator
Ok believe what you want, but i have not only grown 1000's of seeds, but have put an immense amount of research into this, if you truely believe that mother nature will not allow a male into a xx relationship, you really need to look into nature a lot more. Your opinion is your opinion, but explain to all of us why they are called "Feminized" seeds now instead of "Female" seeds as they started out as, or were you not growing yet when they were called "female", because i was!!!!
GanjaHero23
Member
if you want to get good feminized seeds i suggest ordering from attitude seeds so far i have had a 100% female success rate out of about 10 to 15 seeds!!
Alexoxox
Active Member
Yeah im certainly going to do that soon, just gotta find a good time to make the time to drive 2 hours to pick them up, the seeds i got werent from a breeder that i even know of, they were givin to me from a friend who go them from a friend who made his own seeds when living in hawaii or something.
So was prolly just a bs lie and were just bagseed, they are good looking seeds though, but i cant afford another fail with this investment of lighting and electric bills being over 350$ a month is punishable.
gonna go with attitude for sure
So was prolly just a bs lie and were just bagseed, they are good looking seeds though, but i cant afford another fail with this investment of lighting and electric bills being over 350$ a month is punishable.
gonna go with attitude for sure
TokeSmoker420
Active Member
ahahaha man u need to learn more, and read more. i clearly stated a male can go into a xx relationship, resulting in XXY (hermie). but thats not a natural male. and off feminized seeds its a female, growing male parts. a FEMALE hermie. it wouldnt grow a male, popping out female parts a MALE hermie.
I know marijuana can change gender, but its, its origninal gender that matters. all feminized pop out female, they might hermie and grow MALE parts if stressed but the seed itself contained xx chromosomes.
U cannot change original chromosomes, you can only trick the plant into adding a extra one into the mix, to ensure the survival of the species. this can be through stuff like environmental factors, lighting interuption, etc.
so seeds with xx chromosome locked in (feminizsed seeds) are all female, with a chance of going XXY (hermie) a female that grows female and male parts, or just completely stops growing female parts, and focuses on male parts, BUT it was orginally a female.
any experienced grower knows this.
what im saying is feminizsed seeds are produced with xx chromosome. there is no way to change the chromosome within the seed to XY for it to grow male.
TruenoAE86coupe
Moderator
Where did the pollen come from if there is no y? wouldn't the original "hermie" that was caused by stress (collidial silver, light stress etc.) have to have a Y in it to make the pollen at all? YES it would.
Still didn't answer why they changed the name from "female" to "feminized" explain that then maybe you will have a believer or two, but i KNOW why they changed it.
"U cannot change original chromosomes, you can only trick the plant into adding a extra one into the mix, to ensure the survival of the species. this can be through stuff like environmental factors, lighting interuption, etc."
You stated yourself that you added another by stress, so how is it never ever ever put into any of the seeds? cause clearly it took a xxy too make any pollen as a xx is completely without pollen.
Still didn't answer why they changed the name from "female" to "feminized" explain that then maybe you will have a believer or two, but i KNOW why they changed it.
"U cannot change original chromosomes, you can only trick the plant into adding a extra one into the mix, to ensure the survival of the species. this can be through stuff like environmental factors, lighting interuption, etc."
You stated yourself that you added another by stress, so how is it never ever ever put into any of the seeds? cause clearly it took a xxy too make any pollen as a xx is completely without pollen.
TokeSmoker420
Active Member
read more i sed they produce feminized seeds in my first post by MAKING A FEMALE GO XXY, TAKING THAT POLLEN, AND PUTTING IT ON A XX TRUE FEMALE
THE POLLEN FROM THE XXY FEMALE HERMIE HAS ITS ORIGINAL GENDER WHICH IS XX LOCKED INTO ITS POLLEN, AND THE FEMALE MOTHER HAS XX LOCKED INTO IT. THEREFORE ALL THE OFFSPRING OF THE XXY FEMALE HERMIE and XX FEMALE MOTHER WILL BE....XX children.WITH A POSSIBILITY OF GOING HERMIE XXY.
A MALE IS XY NOT XXY. u gotta read what im sayin ur so ignorant. and i dont want any believers. im stating facts here. u dont have to believe me i dont give two shits. just dont go around spreading bogus information.
oh and do you see the y.... xxY.
u need to learn how to read. if u cannot understand that, u are no "expert" not even a "novice"
this is basic chromosomes. how marijuana passes them on, etc.
TruenoAE86coupe
Moderator
This is how i can explain it best, my two lesbian friends want to have a kid now, but with no sperm between the two of them they can not make a baby. So if you have two absolutely female plants, you will get no seeds until you make one of them create pollen, so have just created the y chromosome, and now have the possibility for a y in there, therefore a male.
TruenoAE86coupe
Moderator
Don't start calling names ass hole, you are the ignorant one here, how many fem seeds have you germed personally? I have done WELL over 1000, i think i will stick with what i have seen with my own eyes, not what you claim to know..
No wonder you rep is so huge.
No wonder you rep is so huge.
TokeSmoker420
Active Member
this proves ur ingorance. ur the biggest waste of time. IF U KNEW ANYTHING about this plant other then basics u wud understand the concepts of HERMIE, a female hermie and a male hermie. how you can harvest POLLEN OFF A FEMALE PLANT. NOT A TRUE FEMALE PLANT, but a FEMALE HERMIE, and use that female pollen on another female to lock in the XX genetics.
U DONT NEED A TRUE MALE FOR POLLEN
and the fact that u compared plants to humans proves ur "knowledge". plants dont follow the same genetic guidelines as humans. a human male is a male no matter what. but a marijuana male can grow female parts, and a female marijuana plant can grow male parts. a male human cannot grow a pussy, and a female human cannot grow a dick. its not the same for plants.
believe what u want, i dunt rlly give a shit. just dont go slandering feminizsed seeds cuz u got a few hermie, and think they are male AHAHAHA
TruenoAE86coupe
Moderator
No there has never been a human hermaphrodite ever. LoL, im the ignorant one.
Good luck op, this show how much bad info is out there, if you want good genetics that you know are female, use clones of a good reg seed, screw the fem seeds, not worth the money.
Good luck op, this show how much bad info is out there, if you want good genetics that you know are female, use clones of a good reg seed, screw the fem seeds, not worth the money.
TokeSmoker420
Active Member
AHAHAHAHAHA i clearly stated that HUMANS CANT HERMIE. but plants dont follow the same guidelines. THEY CAN HERMIE
r u a fucking retard? ur mom drop u to many times?
learn to read dumbass
TokeSmoker420
Active Member
u dunce lmaoooooooo this proves ur ingorant. where did i say a human can hermie in this??
"screw fem seeds, not worth the money" and im the one with bad informaton ahaha
noobs nowdays.