Female Spliced to Male, Experimental

Thedillestpickle

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Hey smokey, I hope you find a good way to fuse the two together, I'm sure you noticed the miny stem doesnt exactly fit like a glove to the bigger stem

I hope you made a more solid attempt at this than me as I may have compromised the health of the cutting with my laziness.

I am surprized to say that the cutting is not dead... but its not exactly flourishing at this point. The stem is actually oozing out juices still, which I find very surprizing. I imagine there must be a product around for patching up slit stems on plants, and that this would be usefull in this process to seal up the rootzone stem to prevent energy being waisted to the bleeding.

So far not too exciting, but there is something else that is. My female plants are vegging out very nicely and are getting quite large. I am beginning to wonder how much longer I can continue this experiment as I am running out of space for this pot. I have also decided to postpone any further experiments until a later date(I'll experiment with the harvested rootzones) as navigating around in my small space is getting very tricky with miscileaneous plants sitting around. Please check out my thread if you'd like to see how my other plants are doing.(in my signature)

If it does survive and decide it wants to grow a little bit, I will be switching the room to 12/12 very soon, so that should be interesting


Smokey feel free to post your progress in this thread, and I would encourage anyone else who decides to try this to post in here as well. If we collectively work at this using slightly different techniques, then we have a good chance someone will find the best way to do it. haha we should make a new contest thread!

Contest: "first person to graft a female cutting onto a male rootzone"
there will have to be a rule about the stem sizes. The male stem must be at least 1 cm in diameter to qualify.

anyways heres what she looked like yesterday... I can't say she looks any better today(a little worse now)

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ddimebag

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perhaps you could use a few drops of molten candle wax to seal the slit on the stem? That would close it off from bacteria/fungi and prevent water loss...i don't think the brief heat will damage the cutting or the host plant...
 

perry420

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Hey Pickle,

I'm a little late but I was so interested in this!!!. I remember my dad telling me about this a while ago. He was talking about olive tree;s. He had one that was flowering olives and one that was not going to produce so he cut a branch of the one and put it on the other to make it flower. I think thats the same thing, maybe a different reason for doing it but it seems to be the same. Anyways thats awesome man. You seem to be having a real good time!!
 

smokey de bear

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Aight guys I went to check on he/she today and she seems to getting some nutrients from the roots cause her pretty little head was trying to raise up to see the light, I just hope she doesn't go towards the wrong light lol.

I wish I would of seen those pictures first you just posted, it shows really well that damn solid core and how the living tissue around it healed. I did almost the same thing as you except i didn't cut into the solid core at all I just cut the clone into a point and slid it between the core and green tissue, we'll see how it works. I'm looking into different graf cuts for different applications such as our situations where the clone stem is small diameter then the root stem, I think as long as you get as much green bark to touch it should take.
 

jkahndb0

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I think this pic will help you Graft smaller Cuts to larger established Main Stems...
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Then you have to seal it...
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Yes there is a thing called Grafting Glue...
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and Just for Reference...
Apples are Grafted because they have to be..
Apple seeds dont carry the traits of their parents... Each individual seed will grow a completely different tree..
Most of the time not the best one either.. So Grafting is a necessity in order to compete commercially, and just to taste good...
Johny Appleseed was a crazy bastard...
 

Thedillestpickle

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I think this pic will help you Graft smaller Cuts to larger established Main Stems...

Then you have to seal it...

Yes there is a thing called Grafting Glue...


and Just for Reference...
Apples are Grafted because they have to be..
Apple seeds dont carry the traits of their parents... Each individual seed will grow a completely different tree..
Most of the time not the best one either.. So Grafting is a necessity in order to compete commercially, and just to taste good...
Johny Appleseed was a crazy bastard...
Excellent! You just pretty much answered all my questions in one post, thank you
 

Thedillestpickle

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Nice one smokey, I didnt mention it before but I actually made a second attempt at grafting another cutting and it flopped over and clearly died within about 2 hours.... so if yours still looks as perky as that in 2 hours I'm sure you can expect the cutting to at least hold on for a few days. I like what you described about wedging the cutting between the two layers of of the plant, hopefully that works.

I think we now see how it really should be done, with those pictures. Armed with this info success should be inevitable. The harvested plant rootzone grafting is what I'm really interested in, hopefully someone has some almost ready for harvest plants and is willing to give this a try for us. Otherwise I'm expecting to my own harvest to be 15 weeks from now and I will make an effort at that time.

Unfortunately I have no more space for more experiments, I still have 8 extremely healthy clones that have been veggin along nicely for 2 weeks, and I don't know what to do with them.
 

jkahndb0

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I just culled Four males with Well established root zones yesterday...
If i had read this before i would have done it so i could take pictures and post...

Ive heard of people using Super Glue also for Sealing it up as well..
But the greatest success ive seen without the Grafting Glue, is with a plastic bag and a Rubber Band or some kinda Clamp...
A Slit is cut in the Host.
And the Donor stem is cut into a V.
Slide the Donor stem into the Slit on the Host and secure with a Tie/Clamp/Etc...
Then Mist with water, and cover with Plastic Bag..
Mist the bag as well.
Heres a Healed section..
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(Photo: MidnightGardener)

Im gunna try and graft to a Stem that i culled last night see what happens....
 

Thedillestpickle

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You might still have the window of opportunity, I didn't mention it before I dont think but it wasnt until 24 hours after culling the males that I was inspired to try grafting to one. I took a look at the stems and I noticed that one particular stem was really oozing juices, and thats how I decided to graft to it.

For anyone interested in another experiment that I just started about an hour ago, check this out

https://www.rollitup.org/general-marijuana-growing/507769-long-term-storage-mothers-clones.html?highlight=Long+term
 

smokey de bear

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I think this pic will help you Graft smaller Cuts to larger established Main Stems...
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Then you have to seal it...
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Yes there is a thing called Grafting Glue...
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and Just for Reference...
Apples are Grafted because they have to be..
Apple seeds dont carry the traits of their parents... Each individual seed will grow a completely different tree..
Most of the time not the best one either.. So Grafting is a necessity in order to compete commercially, and just to taste good...
Johny Appleseed was a crazy bastard...
Nice that pic is worth a thousand words imma try it tonight on the other male I found.
 

smokey de bear

Active Member
You can graft 8 diff branches onto the same plant to have 8 diff strains on 1 plant.
Why just 8 lol, this sounds like a challenge lol :lol: When I get more then a strain ill continually graft em till I have one multi flava motha with the name skittles cause I will be tasting a rainbow of more then 8 colors.

Nice Good luck, looks like this thread just became the Official "I chopped off his head to grow a monster" *club* thread lol

Good luck to all, and look at what you've done Pickle, You've created a monster thread turning ppl into mad scientists. lol good job again +rep if I can again
 

smokey de bear

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Damn lol well you know you got's it bro keep up the good work and hopefully you'll get more room soon and more green in the jar.
 

Thedillestpickle

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Nice Good luck, looks like this thread just became the Official "I chopped off his head to grow a monster" *club* thread lol

Good luck to all, and look at what you've done Pickle, You've created a monster thread turning ppl into mad scientists. lol good job again +rep if I can again
Hahaha that's right, keep em coming guys. If your going to kill your male plants you might as well kill them in the name of science!
Smokey check out the link I posted above to see my next experiment!
 

Jimmyjonestoo

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Dude I just chopped a male yesterday after finishing some pollinating attempts ( seems to have taken btw). My next grow is gonna be three different strains and I'm gonna give this a try. It would be a great way to save space in a mother room. +rep for you my friend.
 

smokey de bear

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SO yesterday I found 2 more males so i tried the same cut as the picture and wow what a difference, lot's of gooey contact green on green. I just cut an angled slit to the woody part and cut my clone stem on almost 20 degree angle so it would be flush to the male stem and point up. Then i scarified the back side of 20 degree so some goeyness would come out there too and make contact with the flap from the stem cut, this method allowed me to jam it in there nice barely used tape it was wedged pretty tight on it's own lol. Now I was thinking of this yesterday to speed up harvesting why no graft a bunch of female clones all up the stem an whatever spacing intervals you want, no more stretching lol if they do just graft another branch in between. and then switch to 12/12 right away so theoreticaly you would have one big female with lots of smaller clones all in the time of rooting or in our case the roots grafting as opposed to veggin em out.

My next experiment will be on a female after harvest, because I train em lots I get these nice fat stems in the end in the shape of a X I was wondering about putting a graft in each tip so it's like growing 4 in a pot. If all this becomes easy to do I can see myself continuously reusing roots, lol why grow em out when you can just attach the next on on to use the established system.
 
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