Feminised seed question

billybob420 · Aug 17, 2012

Geronimo420 said:
OK sound logical. I can say I was lucky then cause I did it only twice with seeds that were both auto & feminize. Up to now I've used 300 of 6000(aprox) seeds without any hermie prob. touch wood!

lol, yeah I'm not really saying it's right, but it sounded logical to me.

I'm only growing out my first feminzed seeds now. But I'm gonna be doing an SOG with clones so I'm curious o see if there's any herm problem down the line.

overgrowem · Aug 17, 2012

billybob420 said:
They treat the plants not the seeds. And you don't wanna keep treating a feminized plant to make feminized seeds as that'll increase your chance for herms.

Are you clarifying or saying my post means they treat the seeds?Nowhere in the oost do I mention seeds at all.Not treating 2nd ,3rd, generation fems.etc. makes sense.If the 1 in 100 idea is true and breeders are only using regs. to make fem. seeds then males should show up in fems.now and then.

billybob420 · Aug 17, 2012

overgrowem said:
Are you clarifying or saying my post means they treat the seeds?Nowhere in the oost do I mention seeds at all.Not treating 2nd ,3rd, generation fems.etc. makes sense.If the 1 in 100 idea is true and breeders are only using regs. to make fem. seeds then males should show up in fems.now and then.

My mistake, I guess I read it wrong.

overgrowem said:
The Blue Cheese IS nice....I have read that the chances of getting a male from a batch of fem. seeds is 100 to 1.Seems to me that if a reg. seed is treated and a male is possible, treating a 1st, 2nd, 3rd generation fem. etc.would give fewer and fewer males. So if seed banks are using fems to make fems.chances are 0 for all practical purposes..

Villa · Aug 17, 2012

found this link figured maybe someone might be interested.
http://hightimes.com/grow/soma/622

racerboy71 · Aug 17, 2012

billybob420 said:
Yeah, the fact that every feminized plants carries a hermie gene, and when you cross two plants with a hermie gene you're more likely to get a hermie when it's all said and done.

EDIT: For instance, you're more likely to get a midget when two midgets bang, compared to 1 midget and 1 "normal", lol. No offense if you're a midget.

BTW, if I'm not trying to be an ass... if my logic is flawed, than... so be it. lol.

this is not true at all and a big part part of the reason why fem's get a bad rep.. if a breeder uses a chemical to make a plant go hermie, there are no hermie genetics to go forwards in it's offspring.. the only reason the plant ever hermied in the first place was because someone sprayed that plant with a chemical like collidial silver that forced it to produce male flowers..
so long as you're not spraying your garden with cs, there is no hermie trait present in fem seeds made using cs, or any other chemical that forces a plant to produce male flowers..

Geronimo420 · Aug 17, 2012

Villa said:
found this link figured maybe someone might be interested.
http://hightimes.com/grow/soma/622

Hightimes? that magazine full of fake pot publicity (riverdale hydroponic...) they still exist? Wow! At least It's good enough to relive constipation

billybob420 · Aug 17, 2012

racerboy71 said:
this is not true at all and a big part part of the reason why fem's get a bad rep.. if a breeder uses a chemical to make a plant go hermie, there are no hermie genetics to go forwards in it's offspring.. the only reason the plant ever hermied in the first place was because someone sprayed that plant with a chemical like collidial silver that forced it to produce male flowers..
so long as you're not spraying your garden with cs, there is no hermie trait present in fem seeds made using cs, or any other chemical that forces a plant to produce male flowers..

Ok, that makes sense.

But it leaves me wondering, where does a "true" hermie trait come from? You know, like one that can be passed down? Does one even exist?

EDIT: or do all plants have it all the same?

billybob420 · Aug 17, 2012

I'm beginning to think it's probably far more complicating than I could ever understand.

Ballsonrawls · Aug 17, 2012

Most likely intersex, not hermie. Still very low

racerboy71 · Aug 17, 2012

billybob420 said:
Ok, that makes sense.

But it leaves me wondering, where does a "true" hermie trait come from? You know, like one that can be passed down? Does one even exist?

EDIT: or do all plants have it all the same?

i'm not an expert billy, but i'd think that there are three basic sex groups when it comes to cannabis.. male, female, and hermie... some strains are notoriously famous for being hermie prone... east coast sour diesel, and blueberry are two that come to mind right away, although i'm sure there are more then those two..

billybob420 · Aug 17, 2012

racerboy71 said:
i'm not an expert billy, but i'd think that there are three basic sex groups when it comes to cannabis.. male, female, and hermie... some strains are notoriously famous for being hermie prone... east coast sour diesel, and blueberry are two that come to mind right away, although i'm sure there are more then those two..

Well, you made it out like you knew when you said I was completely wrong, now you can't explain why I am completely wrong? Just gotta take your word for it, aye?

Alright I guess.

Ballsonrawls · Aug 17, 2012

I thought there was intersex. Hermies are male and female genetics. Intersex is female with a genetic mishap. They produce female pollen, as opposed to a hermie which produces both sex pollen. Maybe I'm wrong

overgrowem · Aug 17, 2012

billybob420 said:
My mistake, I guess I read it wrong.

My quote should have read IF A REG "PLANT"IS TREATED....... that is the point.

billybob420 · Aug 17, 2012

overgrowem said:
My quote should have read IF A REG "PLANT"IS TREATED....... that is the point.

Yes I know, I realized that you left a word out after I read it a few times more.

racerboy71 · Aug 17, 2012

billybob420 said:
Well, you made it out like you knew when you said I was completely wrong, now you can't explain why I am completely wrong? Just gotta take your word for it, aye?

Alright I guess.

what i said you were completely wrong about has nothing to do with what your second question was.. at all.. a plant that is FORCED to produce male flowers on a female plant, only went hermie because it was forced to do so with w/e chemical was used ...
if a breeder didn't spray it with cs or w/e, it never would have hermied.. therefore, no hermie genetics were present in that plant..

that would be like saying because i cut your arm off all of your kids would be one armed.. now, say you were born with a genetic mutation that caused you to be born with one arm, than yes, that genetic mutation would be present in you and the chance of you having one armed kids is going to be higher..

as far as sex and cannabis is concerned, i've been trying to get to the bottom of this for a long time now.. some people say that seeds are eitehr male or female from the get go.. i say this is wrong, and that seeds can be either female or male, and that it's certain environmental factors in the first few weeks of veg that cause it to be either a female or a male, much in the way that aligator eggs are able to be either sex, and the tempurature of the eggs during nesting determines sex..
also, if a plant doesn't have both sexes present in the seeds, how can one explain hermie plants, or the expression of both sexes in a plant?

i've yet to really get a definitive answer either way, which makes me not an expert..

billybob420 · Aug 17, 2012

racerboy71 said:
what i said you were completely wrong about has nothing to do with what your second question was.. at all.. a plant that is FORCED to produce male flowers on a female plant, only went hermie because it was forced to do so with w/e chemical was used ...
if a breeder didn't spray it with cs or w/e, it never would have hermied.. therefore, no hermie genetics were present in that plant..

that would be like saying because i cut your arm off all of your kids would be one armed.. now, say you were born with a genetic mutation that caused you to be born with one arm, than yes, that genetic mutation would be present in you and the chance of you having one armed kids is going to be higher..

as far as sex and cannabis is concerned, i've been trying to get to the bottom of this for a long time now.. some people say that seeds are eitehr male or female from the get go.. i say this is wrong, and that seeds can be either female or male, and that it's certain environmental factors in the first few weeks of veg that cause it to be either a female or a male, much in the way that aligator eggs are able to be either sex, and the tempurature of the eggs during nesting determines sex..
also, if a plant doesn't have both sexes present in the seeds, how can one explain hermie plants, or the expression of both sexes in a plant?

i've yet to really get a definitive answer either way, which makes me not an expert..

I've been reading about it most of the time since you mentioned it (the first part, I mean, RE: chemically induced male flowers). See... I thought a hermie was a hermie was a hermie. But, yeah no, that's not right, lol (as you said). At least according to Ed Rosenthal and for the moment, that's good enough for me.

So basically.... I bought into the common misconception feminized seeds carried hermie traits and now I'm looking like an ass over it. Thanks for, well, making me realize it sooner than later, though.

I also realized now my second post (to you) was complete off base considering what I have just now learned.

EDIT: I wasn't aware of the nuances.

racerboy71 · Aug 17, 2012

billybob420 said:
I've been reading about it most of the time since you mentioned it (the first part, I mean, RE: chemically induced male flowers). See... I thought a hermie was a hermie was a hermie. But, yeah no, that's not right, lol (as you said). At least according to Ed Rosenthal and for the moment, that's good enough for me.

So basically.... I bought into the common misconception feminized seeds carried hermie traits and now I'm looking like an ass over it. Thanks for, well, making me realize it sooner than later, though.

I also realized now my second post (to you) was complete off base considering what I have just now learned.

EDIT: I wasn't aware of the nuances.

don't worry billy, lots of people read that fem's come from a hermie plant, and that's all they read... they just don't understand that it was a forced hermie, and on it's own, it would never have hermied.. hopefully at least...

the problem with hermies in fem's come from when a breeder uses a natural hermie to create fem'ed seeds.. in this case, fem's are going to carry that hermie trait..
trying to figure out what breeder uses a chemical to force a plant to turn and which ones use natural occouring hermies can be a real headache on the end user, you and me..

racerboy71 · Aug 17, 2012

racerboy71 said:
don't worry billy, lots of people read that fem's come from a hermie plant, and that's all they read... they just don't understand that it was a forced hermie, and on it's own, it would never have hermied.. hopefully at least...

the problem with hermies in fem's come from when a breeder uses a natural hermie to create fem'ed seeds.. in this case, fem's are going to carry that hermie trait..
trying to figure out what breeder uses a chemical to force a plant to turn and which ones use natural occouring hermies can be a real headache on the end user, you and me..

i hate to quote myself, but this is a big reason i'd never grow a fem from say greenhouse.. their regular seeds are known to have hermie traits in them to begin with, so that doesn't bode well for fem's made from those unstable type of genetics..

racerboy71 · Aug 17, 2012

billybob420 said:
I've been reading about it most of the time since you mentioned it (the first part, I mean, RE: chemically induced male flowers). See... I thought a hermie was a hermie was a hermie. But, yeah no, that's not right, lol (as you said). At least according to Ed Rosenthal and for the moment, that's good enough for me.

So basically.... I bought into the common misconception feminized seeds carried hermie traits and now I'm looking like an ass over it. Thanks for, well, making me realize it sooner than later, though.

I also realized now my second post (to you) was complete off base considering what I have just now learned.

EDIT: I wasn't aware of the nuances.

let me know if you find any good resources for seeds and sex as well billy.. i'm like a sponge, i love to suck up info.. ty..

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