Feminized seeds & hermies. Do you want to know the truth?

If a plant is an actual herm, meaning it was not turned by stress, it will put out (some?) herms or probably be more likely to put out herms. I may be wrong.

A plant that is stressed can not pass on stress to the next generation. That is why fem seeds are not more likely to herm.

themanwiththeplan said:

awesome hope you post your results. im still trying to decide on what i wanna make my beans from. i figure like i said...just keep it simple the first go around and make S1's with my best looking female. i'll probably start with jillybean just because ive wanted to try it forever and having it in fem seed form would be awesome for me especially if its as happy of an effect as everyone says.

i use to have a list going of what i wanted to eventually cross with what but i lost it and my mind is kinda blank.

hmmm.

i know i wanna breed ahashplant with a sensi star or similar or two different hashplant varieties with each other. looking to make an epic lights out indica 4 myself.

then maybe do some 100% sativa's with big bud or similar to increase yield and shorten the height/flowering times. maybe some haze x big bud or similar. would be nice as i do love my fair share of sativas but only work with a 150w now so they arent practical in my setup (hence my big bud and haze idea)

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Hash plant/sensi star sounds great.
Juist buy the shear amount of these type of crosses, I think I want to use OG kush maybe next run. Or strawberry cough, or...

I like the idea of Big Bud x anything. Big bud is very stable. I have had big bud x trainwreck and it was amazing.

Haze crosses are great, I also like OG kush crosses. I am interested to see what Strawberry cough does as a cross. It is one of my favorite hybrids.

Another of my fem autos showed sex (LR@ x Super Lemon Haze)

Took this today.



LR2 x Autoberry on the left started July 23.
LR2 x Super Lemon Haze on the left started about two weeks after the other.
A friend has more going at his house. All female with 100% germination so far. (I do not expect this to continue, but so far, so good.)

Cobnobuler said:

Along these same lines I would like to know if anyone can clarify once and for all the following: Do seeds that came from a hermied plant have any more or less of a tendency to produce more hermie plants?
I have heard both yea and nay on this subject and I have a pill bottle full of Herijuana seeds that are currently hard to get from my favorite breeder, but they came from, and are the reason why I have them from a hermied plant that produced seeds.

SO...what say you all ??

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if you got seeds from the plant because it naturally went hermie then its safe to say that the strain does have the hermie trait somewhere in it genetics/history. since you got seeds from a natural hermie plant then some of the offspring should also hermie however not all of them will be hermies just like you can grow out a 10 pack yet only get 1 hermie.

the more the hermie trait pops up the worse it is overall. you really wont know until you grow out the children. some may...some may not but yes expect some hermies if you got seeds from a natural hermie.

making a plant hermie with CS is NOT THE SAME as getting a natural hermie. by using cs you're forcing a plant to hermie that may not have the hermie trait in its genetics then the children will be no more prone to hermies than the mother before using CS.

so thats the difference. your beans are good for personal grows. if you were a commercial grower it wouldnt be a good idea since you could get a hermie and have it ruin your entire commercial crop but if its just for you then its manageable (ie. pull off the pollen sacs before they fully develop etc) hope i didnt confuse you but trousers is basically right.

a natural hermie will have some natural hermies in its children the extent matters on how prevalent the hermie trait is.

Trousers said:

If a plant is an actual herm, meaning it was not turned by stress, it will put out (some?) herms or probably be more likely to put out herms. I may be wrong.

A plant that is stressed can not pass on stress to the next generation. That is why fem seeds are not more likely to herm.





Hash plant/sensi star sounds great.
Juist buy the shear amount of these type of crosses, I think I want to use OG kush maybe next run. Or strawberry cough, or...

I like the idea of Big Bud x anything. Big bud is very stable. I have had big bud x trainwreck and it was amazing.

Haze crosses are great, I also like OG kush crosses. I am interested to see what Strawberry cough does as a cross. It is one of my favorite hybrids.

Another of my fem autos showed sex (LR@ x Super Lemon Haze)

Took this today.

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LR2 x Autoberry on the left started July 23.
LR2 x Super Lemon Haze on the left started about two weeks after the other.
A friend has more going at his house. All female with 100% germination so far. (I do not expect this to continue, but so far, so good.)

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awesome looking plant. how do you like super lemon haze? its definitely on my "to try" list

i grew out strawberry cough. its a pretty good strain. i got one through pick and mix. its a very good daytime smoke. not overly powerful. kind of mellow but no couchlock. its mellow but also a "get sh*t done" weed. ive smoked it and done many normal daily activities that you cant while high from an stony indica.

id recommend the strawberry cough. its pretty darn good. not extremely anti-anxiety (as least the pheno i got) but it was a good yielder believe it or not (i got 2.5-3oz from 1 strawberry cough plant indoors) so its pretty good. my best yielder grown in the grow room at the same time was 4.5 oz and my worst was 2oz. so maybe i got lucky (many complain the strawberry cough is a low yielder)

The auto Super Lemon Haze is great. Ran two under a 600 watt with two other autos and got 5 and 6 ounces.
I had two auto slh for my next auto crop and accidentally crushed one. So I may have to buy another pack.
They are sale right now 5 for $39 plus $5 or so shipping. You also get 5 free hash plant regular seeds. I think there is a coupon code "doubleup" that gets you 10 hash plant seeds. It may not work.

You can't say that for the trillions of growers who have there own experiences.

Trousers said:

The auto Super Lemon Haze is great. Ran two under a 600 watt with two other autos and got 5 and 6 ounces.
I had two auto slh for my next auto crop and accidentally crushed one. So I may have to buy another pack.
They are sale right now 5 for $39 plus $5 or so shipping. You also get 5 free hash plant regular seeds. I think there is a coupon code "doubleup" that gets you 10 hash plant seeds. It may not work.

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are you from the states? do they replace an order if lost/intercepted like attitude is famous for doing?

if so i might give that site a whirl how are their strains? have you tried any beyond the autos? they seem to have some good stuff but sadly they don't list the breeders which makes me skeptical slightly. i'd hate to order something like purple kush (its available on their site) and get something thats nothing like purple kush.

not callin u a liar just asking about how good they are as i have 0 experience with them. all ive ever used to order is attitude and wwms

NavySEALsVet said:

You can't say that for the trillions of growers who have there own experiences.

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are you suggesting im trying to tell people you cant get hermies from fem's produced the correct way but you and trillions of others have had hermies from fems??

interesting read..learned alot of valuable info

theendoftheworld said:

it may not be resin, but the phoenix tears method (15 lbs of 25% THC cannabis) cures terminal cancer, or at least thats what the press claims.

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Certainly not the medical press (let alone actual published medical literature).

Not any conventional/reputable press that I'm aware of.

To my knowledge the only place where people claim hemp extracts can effect actual cures of actual cancers in actual human beings are on stoner forums and what might politely be termed "quack" websites.

I've actually done quite a bit of investigation here, and I have yet to see even one credible case report (let alone a published one) of a cancer "miracle cure" attributable to cannabis. Lots of claims. . .yes. Actual evidence (eg before and after CT scans, before and after biopsy results, etc). . .not so much.

But please, if you or anyone else know different, post the info.

themanwiththeplan said:

I'm really tired of seeing 20,000 threads/posts wondering if feminized seeds are more prone to going hermie than reg seeds or people claiming that fem seeds are prone to going hermie...

heres the truth...for the last time:

FEMINIZED SEEDS ARE NOT MORE LIKELY TO TURN HERMIE THAN REGULAR SEEDS! PERIOD!



Want to know WHY a feminized bean isnt any more likely to turn hermie than regulars?

regular seeds are made from crossing a male (xy) and female (xx) cannabis plant. therefore the offspring can be either xx or xy...correct? yes.

ok.

feminized beans are generally made in a few different ways but lets use the colloidal silver method. say one female plant is sprayed with the CS and bananas grow. pollen sacs burst...either get itself preggo (S1 seeds would result btw) or the pollen from one female treated with CS is used to get another female preggo.

even though the CS was used the plants are still both female (xx)....so xx + xx can't equal xy (male)...

thats not to say you can't have bad genetics that will go hermie. regular beans DO have hermies...not just feminized seeds. generally seeds from a reputable breeder will stay female no matter how much you stress them. generally if you get a hermie from a fem bean its because of a fault in the genetics.

Ive tested this theory by light/nute poisoning a plant from dutch passion for over 30 days. it got extremely stressed but did not show one pollen sac!

So this is just my attempt to put an end to the "do fem seeds go hermie" threads as well as the (no offense) idiots that say, "dont buy fem seeds...you'll just get hermies"

Also sativa or sativa dominant strains DO TEND TO HERMIE MORE OFTEN/EASILY THAN indica or indica dominant strains. that i dont have an explanation for but ive noticed a pattern regardless if those sativas or indicas came from reg or fem beans.

so its completely safe to buy fems or use them along side regs, etc.










can i get a sticky?

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Your post was really informative and made me do quite a bit of research on rodelization. Today I learned.

thats how regular seeds are always sold out fem seeds take a little bit of stress to hermie regular ones can go threw hell ad back and not hemie at all fem seeds are crap period

All I know is hermies fucking suck shit and are far from producin "sterile" pollen lmao.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Feminized seeds that are created from the hermy process most certainly will be more likely to hermy than any other seed created. I am not saying they will herm every time but there is a good chance that when you have feminized seeds that are created from a hermy plant that trait is carried down the genetic line. Using chemicals to create feminized seeds is a whole other story.

I dont know a whole lot about CS or anything like that but common sense tells me that most of the time herm is caused by stress......when u make a health plant produce male flowers then the seeds should be fine. take seeds from an unhealthy plant that was made to herm will most likely have herm traits

can i get a sticky?

funnyoldsmoke said:

thats how regular seeds are always sold out fem seeds take a little bit of stress to hermie regular ones can go threw hell ad back and not hemie at all fem seeds are crap period

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You have no idea what you are talking about. Stop it.
When you use colloidal silver, you are not stressing the plant, you are tricking it into releasing hormones. Stress does not alter the plant's DNA.

Growing guru said:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Feminized seeds that are created from the hermy process most certainly will be more likely to hermy than any other seed created.

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Based on what?
All female cannabis plants have the ability to produce male flowers. It is a normal and natural survival mechanism.
If you read through this thread, you would understand how you are wrong. Or you could just post the same incorrect crap that has been posted a bunch of times.

Properly produced feminized seeds are no more likely to produce male flowers than there parents.
Crappy growers stress plants and do not want to accept blame.
That is why feminized seeds have this stigma attched to them.

Growing guru said:

I am not saying they will herm every time but there is a good chance that when you have feminized seeds that are created from a hermy plant that trait is carried down the genetic line.

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Read the thread.
You do not understand the nature of hermaphrodites and how they relate to feminized seed production.
Real dioecious hermaphrodites are very rare is stable varieties, especially indicas.
That is not really what is being discussed here.

Growing guru said:

Using chemicals to create feminized seeds is a whole other story.

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That is the most common way of producing feminized seeds.
Stop giving advice about that which you have little understanding.

Trousers said:

The auto Super Lemon Haze is great. Ran two under a 600 watt with two other autos and got 5 and 6 ounces.
I had two auto slh for my next auto crop

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Autos? Those are C. ruderalis variants, right? I notice you don't mention the quality of the smoke.

bluerock said:

Autos? Those are C. ruderalis variants, right? I notice you don't mention the quality of the smoke.

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I notice you didn't mention why you mentioned I didn't mention the quality.
Not going to start an auto fight, but the auto SLH was very good, better than some photo varieties.
Autos can be great for some people. I do not have to defend what I have grown or why to the likes of you.

Growing guru said:

I'm sorry but I have to disagree. Feminized seeds that are created from the hermy process most certainly will be more likely to hermy than any other seed created. I am not saying they will herm every time but there is a good chance that when you have feminized seeds that are created from a hermy plant that trait is carried down the genetic line. Using chemicals to create feminized seeds is a whole other story.

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Using cs or stressing your plant to herm does not alter DNA, so the "hermie trait" you speak of cannot be "carried down."
Also, if plants sprouted from regular seeds can go through hell and back without herming; tell me how feminized seeds were created in the first place. Seeds sprouted from regular seeds are just as likely to herm as the feminized variety.

Trousers said:

I notice you didn't mention why you mentioned I didn't mention the quality.
Not going to start an auto fight, but the auto SLH was very good, better than some photo varieties.
Autos can be great for some people. I do not have to defend what I have grown or why to the likes of you.

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I assumed you didn't mention the quality because it was crap. If you did not have to defend your what or why, then you would not have replied at all.

themanwiththeplan said:

I'm really tired of seeing 20,000 threads/posts wondering if feminized seeds are more prone to going hermie than reg seeds or people claiming that fem seeds are prone to going hermie...

heres the truth...for the last time:

FEMINIZED SEEDS ARE NOT MORE LIKELY TO TURN HERMIE THAN REGULAR SEEDS! PERIOD!



Want to know WHY a feminized bean isnt any more likely to turn hermie than regulars?

regular seeds are made from crossing a male (xy) and female (xx) cannabis plant. therefore the offspring can be either xx or xy...correct? yes.

ok.

feminized beans are generally made in a few different ways but lets use the colloidal silver method. say one female plant is sprayed with the CS and bananas grow. pollen sacs burst...either get itself preggo (S1 seeds would result btw) or the pollen from one female treated with CS is used to get another female preggo.

even though the CS was used the plants are still both female (xx)....so xx + xx can't equal xy (male)...

thats not to say you can't have bad genetics that will go hermie. regular beans DO have hermies...not just feminized seeds. generally seeds from a reputable breeder will stay female no matter how much you stress them. generally if you get a hermie from a fem bean its because of a fault in the genetics.

Ive tested this theory by light/nute poisoning a plant from dutch passion for over 30 days. it got extremely stressed but did not show one pollen sac!

So this is just my attempt to put an end to the "do fem seeds go hermie" threads as well as the (no offense) idiots that say, "dont buy fem seeds...you'll just get hermies"

Also sativa or sativa dominant strains DO TEND TO HERMIE MORE OFTEN/EASILY THAN indica or indica dominant strains. that i dont have an explanation for but ive noticed a pattern regardless if those sativas or indicas came from reg or fem beans.

so its completely safe to buy fems or use them along side regs, etc.










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No you can't get a sticky, because your post isn't filled with factual information. Your anecdotal evidence seems to differ from what the world of botany suggests, which is that any cannabis plant can be stressed enough to hermie, just like any cannabis plant can be stressed to turn purple. How can you post this with such arrogance? Have you ran 100,000 reg seeds next to 100,000 fem seeds? No. How many different trials did you run, how many different strains did you stress, how did you stress them, for how long, what other methods did you use to stress them? You can't answer any of these questions. Also the major issue with feminized seeds is its lazy breeding.

Trousers said:

I notice you didn't mention why you mentioned I didn't mention the quality.
Not going to start an auto fight, but the auto SLH was very good, better than some photo varieties.
Autos can be great for some people. I do not have to defend what I have grown or why to the likes of you.

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Autos are trash, a novelty, something for the uninformed. I don't care how good you think it is, it has weak genetics.