feminzed seed pollination question

Got a quick question that I think some of you breeders could answer for me. If I pollinate a feminzed plant will it produce feminized seeds?

You have to have female pollen. If the pollen came from a male, you'll just have offspring with either sex. To make female pollen, naturally, light stress a female in the middle of flowering. Which is to say, turn the lights on for 20 minutes in the middle of the dark side of the 12/12 period. The female will freak out produce male parts. She is female, doesn't have complete genetic makeup to breed, but can. Only problem, is her offspring will not carry the genetic makeup to be males.

burnonedown21 said:

Got a quick question that I think some of you breeders could answer for me. If I pollinate a feminzed plant will it produce feminized seeds?

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No, not by standard methods.

Twentythree said:

You have to have female pollen. If the pollen came from a male, you'll just have offspring with either sex. To make female pollen, naturally, light stress a female in the middle of flowering. Which is to say, turn the lights on for 20 minutes in the middle of the dark side of the 12/12 period. The female will freak out produce male parts. She is female, doesn't have complete genetic makeup to breed, but can. Only problem, is her offspring will not carry the genetic makeup to be males.

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100% accurate post. The source for most female commercial seeds is from forced hermie females. There's other ways to shock the plant into hermie'n, google a bit and you'll have at least 3 good ways in a few minutes. The light on during dark period is the easiest "set and forget" shock.

Thanks for the info guys

I bred 1 feminized seed 2 date...The off spring show 20-30% Hermie rate....I have never had a hermie till that point...I have a few hundred of them (seeds) and have sown around 50 or so and have had about 12-15 Herms....All of them dhow early, a few pistols and them they start 2 sack up heavy......A Vet told me feminized seeds R not Ideal for breeding....But if U want the beans breed it Your exp. could B different...........
.....Never tried 2 produce fem seeds yet....Kinda on the fence with that....I think they R changing the "Game" for the worst....Males R needed!...Eliminating males would 2 some extent make the "average" grower a "slave" 2 the seed companies some of whom already only offer fem. seeds....If Herming my plant were my only option 2 breed my plant I would B uncomfterble with that.......I've yet 2 clone but I fell that is a better option IMO....I could B paranoid but this feminized promotion makes me nervous.......

PEACE,BLESSINGS,PROSPERITY

I am a fan of the fem... I have had good results.. I have had success cloning so I am hoping that I can save the remaining beans I ordered and clone away.....

KaotnyKush said:

I bred 1 feminized seed 2 date...The off spring show 20-30% Hermie rate....I have never had a hermie till that point...I have a few hundred of them (seeds) and have sown around 50 or so and have had about 12-15 Herms....All of them dhow early, a few pistols and them they start 2 sack up heavy......A Vet told me feminized seeds R not Ideal for breeding....But if U want the beans breed it Your exp. could B different...........
.....Never tried 2 produce fem seeds yet....Kinda on the fence with that....I think they R changing the "Game" for the worst....Males R needed!...Eliminating males would 2 some extent make the "average" grower a "slave" 2 the seed companies some of whom already only offer fem. seeds....If Herming my plant were my only option 2 breed my plant I would B uncomfterble with that.......I've yet 2 clone but I fell that is a better option IMO....I could B paranoid but this feminized promotion makes me nervous.......

PEACE,BLESSINGS,PROSPERITY

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i totally agree, it's a shame companys like barneys and greenhouse only offer fem seeds now. I feel alot more confident with reg. beans, just veg them for 6 weeks or so pick out the males and clone the best female. also i couldnt agree more about them changing the market, it totally benefits them to sale fem. beans only. not only do people pay more for less seeds, they limit the amount of breeding home growers can do...... bringing more business back to them whenever they make a new bean. fem.seeds are fine but they shouldn't limit us to those only.

Twentythree said:

You have to have female pollen. If the pollen came from a male, you'll just have offspring with either sex. To make female pollen, naturally, light stress a female in the middle of flowering. Which is to say, turn the lights on for 20 minutes in the middle of the dark side of the 12/12 period. The female will freak out produce male parts. She is female, doesn't have complete genetic makeup to breed, but can. Only problem, is her offspring will not carry the genetic makeup to be males.

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That is only forcing plants to turn hermaphrodite and seeds created from a hermi will have a high likelihood of passing on the hermi trait and that means hermis from the seeds in the future.

THAT IS NOT THE BEST WAY TO MAKE FEMINIZED SEEDS!

Research the use of colloidal silver in the making of feminized marijuana seeds if you want to know how to do it and do it right.

kushxhaze420 said:

i totally agree, it's a shame companys like barneys and greenhouse only offer fem seeds now. I feel alot more confident with reg. beans, just veg them for 6 weeks or so pick out the males and clone the best female. also i couldnt agree more about them changing the market, it totally benefits them to sale fem. beans only. not only do people pay more for less seeds, they limit the amount of breeding home growers can do...... bringing more business back to them whenever they make a new bean. fem.seeds are fine but they shouldn't limit us to those only.

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I like the idea of having a choice between regular seeds and feminized but from a business standpoint I would likely have to consider only selling feminized if I were a breeder. Streamline things, simplify things and increase profits. Male seeds/plants are really only worthwhile IF someone is going to breed, if not they are a wasted expense for the purchaser/grower.

Think about how many people grow in smallish closets or grow-tents or cabinets or even in computer cases who do not have the space to start out 10 or 15 or 20 plants to then end up with enough females to cover their needs after the males have been culled. Those people have to maximize every square inch of growing space so the last thing they want is empty space under their lighting where a male had been and was then removed and NOTHING worthwhile will then be grown in those spaces. Then figure what the person paid for the pack of regular beans and figure out what they actually ended up paying for each female seed. Unless they get damn lucky in ratios of male to female beans on a regular basis the regular beans will not seem like such a super value on a per bean price once you remove unwanted males and factor that into the price ... plus of course as was mentioned then you get to accept the reduced amount of production to boot .. if you have a limited sized grow room.

When it comes to amateur breeding, well most people will totally suck at it, even though they think they are doing great, so it is almost doing a service by not selling regular beans, so there will be less basement pollen chucking going on and fewer unstable mutts released to the world by being passed from pal to pal.

Consider for a moment the breeders you used as an example, or more accurately the breeder’s lines. There is very little in them that is anything to write home about so what’s the big deal about not being able to purchase regular beans of ‘The Church’ or something? Big deal! Big loss! So people do not have access to mid-grade genetics male beans, how utterly terrible.

If you want good ‘regular beans’ purchase from Reeferman or Shantibaba (Mr. Nice Seeds) or some of the other top breeders that still offer regular seeds.

I really do not know why more people do not purchase from breeders like that in the first place, especially if they want to breed.

To BrickTop...

I totally agree with you about ordering from Shantibaba or Reeferman, and yeah one should aim for an IBL if they intend to breed with it. But ethically, for the sake of the plant and us as well, I think we need to keep the genetics open and out there. You're right that there's going to be a bunch of lame ass chucking going on, but sometimes that does produce an accidental beauty.

I guess my thing is, weak breeding aside, are you ready to trust a handful of people with all of your genetic options, availability and price wise? Demand for high-grade cannabis will stay static or grow, but the less supply that there is equals higher prices for its consumers then. Possibly much higher. Not to mention that if something happened to those few guys then that would lower availability and supply again. I wouldn't want cannabis to end up as a Monsanto owned crop where you get sued for patent infringement because your neighbor's field of Monsanto males pollinated your field of heirloom females.

I guess my main thought is that competition kinda keeps everybody on their toes, and ensures at least the ethical survival of the plant while delivering more options for quality products to the consumer at lower prices.