Fill your pots.

grilledcheese101

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AN 3-part and some Big Bud in RO water with a little Rhino Skin for some silica. Dash of calmag and Epsom salts when needed. Nothing fancy. Grown under HID lights mainly Hortilux.

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That makes sense, been so used to seeing megacrop i got thrown off by the clear water in the reservoir lol
 

OldMedUser

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So many soils are using that fungus that I cant remember the name of off the top of my head that basically makes watering a pain in the ass. Water just runs right off the top and doesn't want to soak in, so my last few batches I have left a few inches just to hold the water and allow it to slowly penetrate the soil.
Try raking up the top a bit and just a bit of water at first to get the top wet then it goes in pretty good for me. Lots of perlite helps too. I use ProMix HP and it sucks up the water like a sponge.

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Dr. Who

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I seen a lot of that but never thought to nit pick anyone’s particular grow , but did know of a method
I never personally tried ( lazy or forgotten to do for experimenting ) but now that you opened this thread it reminded me of it.

( Take the following with a grain of salt ) ..... I do think there is some potential in this “ trick “.

It was done with grow bags , bagged medium ( promix, FFOF, Hf , whatever ) . Don’t know if it will work with coco ( but I know somebody will try it .... lol ).

Half fill with medium.... sow seed as normal .

Seedling will stretch ...... “ not from “ lack of light BUT because it’s in it’s ROOTING stage. And can only throw shallow roots. So Once it has at least thrown a set of leaves , a very light scuff to stalk with razor ( just like a clone ) ...... dust with I3B root powder and pack top soil to fill to proper height. Light watering.

It would supposedly allow the stalk to heavily root out laterally ......

I haven’t done it so I cannot confirm or deny anything about this.

But getting back to your question .... “ to me “ I think maybe they are planning to wait to fill when transplanting....

The whole cutting part is not needed. I take long stemmed cuts or rooted clones and simply bury them deep. In time, that buried stem, throws it's own roots to fill the top of the pot.
 

Dr. Who

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Before and after pics of what? The root pruning or the slapping around of da bitches?

I've revegged DWC and cut all the roots off to an inch below the pots and they explode with new roots.

I had this mom in a 2L pot and made a net pot out of another one then cut a third of the rootball off with some folded up snow fence on the bottom of the pot so the soilless wasn't at the bottom and the roots just grew so fast it amazed me. Single plant DWC Scrog that gave up 8oz of bud and the same in sugar leaves and popcorn.

The cut on Mar. 29

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In the tub same date.

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6 days after putting into the tub. Apr. 4

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3 days later on the 7th. I tag all my pics with the date.

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Was already a tall plant with four main branches that had to be bent over and tied down to the screen and this was on the 11th and it was growing fast by then. Filled that screen up twice over before flipping to flower. When a branch grew to the edge would let it go for a few inches then bend it around and start it back across and also tie down the side branches as they grew out. I would put in pieces of that copper wire so I had something to tie the growing tops to as they went across a gap. No weaving at all.

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I was planning to reveg that one but it went hermie bad about week 9 of a 12 week flower. Kali Mist.

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I can sure attest to that method as a working method! I must say that here is where you will "see" some measure of "transfer stress"...

A long time used and practiced in green house's method? Simply pull the pot off the root/soil mass, and take a sharp knife or box cutter and "cut" (about an inch to inch and a half deep) an "X" across the bottom of the root/soil ball and do you're transplant....I have yet to "see" and transplant "shock" or "stress" from that one.....

Never transplant with bone dry media....

Nice post.....
 

Ryante55

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I’m just going to throw this out there for what it’s worth. I see a lot of pictures posted on RIU that show pots that are no where near full. What is up with that? I can understand soil settling over time, What I’m talking about is plants that were planted with a lot of space in the pot below the rim.
A couple of points. First, yield is directly related to root mass. If you have a 12” tall pot and only fill to 9“ that’s a 25% reduction which will be reflected in yield simply by the reduction in root mass.

But not filling pots completely creates another problem that effects yields and causes other problems. Think of the soil like a sponge. If you float a sponge in water and pick it up flat, it hold a lot of water. A very high percentage of the pore spaces are filled with water. Now if you put it on end, water drains out allowing air to fill more of the pore spaces. So a shallowly filled pot is going to have a higher percentage of pore space filled with water after a full watering than a deep pot. Put simply: It is easier to drowned a plant in a shallow pot than a deep pot. Roots need oxygen to grow. The less oxygen the slower the growth the less the yield.

Anyway just for what it’s worth.
It sound like you are assuming everyone grows in soil? It really doesn't matter with coco and depend on veg time if I have 5 gal pots but I only want to veg 2 weeks I'm not going to fill the pots. in 2 weeks the roots will never fill 5 gallon if I fill my pots half way I can have a nice full football and I can water multiple times a day. So you are kind of right but not really
 

OldMedUser

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Lemonade og in a 5gal airpot 25% empty lol. Promux hpcc n megacrop
That's a f'n nice plant!

I've been screwing the pooch the last few years and having mite problems the last two so haven't had anything impressive for a while. Health issues both physical and mental have really messed me up as well. Working on getting over that but still way behind on the long list of projects that need doing around here.

Just getting going on having a perpetual grow and need to get my addition built downstairs for an 8x4' flower room attached to my current 8x7' grow space. I need to shit or get off the pot! :D

Have to go out to BC in late Sept and would like to stay for a few weeks. My 65th b-day is mid Oct and the Coho are starting to run about then so catching a few salmon on my grandpa's old fly rod on my b-day would be a treat. Wife sux at caring for my plants and there would be lots to care for around then too.

Would be nice to make a trip up to the family cabin while out there too. Last time I was there was on my 50th b-day. Take my old ma with me too. She turns 92 in Aug so may not be around too much longer. Nor may I. ;)

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grilledcheese101

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That's a f'n nice plant!

I've been screwing the pooch the last few years and having mite problems the last two so haven't had anything impressive for a while. Health issues both physical and mental have really messed me up as well. Working on getting over that but still way behind on the long list of projects that need doing around here.

Just getting going on having a perpetual grow and need to get my addition built downstairs for an 8x4' flower room attached to my current 8x7' grow space. I need to shit or get off the pot! :D

Have to go out to BC in late Sept and would like to stay for a few weeks. My 65th b-day is mid Oct and the Coho are starting to run about then so catching a few salmon on my grandpa's old fly rod on my b-day would be a treat. Wife sux at caring for my plants and there would be lots to care for around then too.

Would be nice to make a trip up to the family cabin while out there too. Last time I was there was on my 50th b-day. Take my old ma with me too. She turns 92 in Aug so may not be around too much longer. Nor may I. ;)

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I dont know about screwin the pooch buddy every pic youve shared so far is pretty impresive, id say start gearing up for a blumat setup in a drain to waste tray , worst case scenario ypu try it out and it doesnt work. But id say the trip sounds well wprth the time/money invested to make itwork.
 

OldMedUser

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I dont know about screwin the pooch buddy every pic youve shared so far is pretty impresive, id say start gearing up for a blumat setup in a drain to waste tray , worst case scenario ypu try it out and it doesnt work. But id say the trip sounds well wprth the time/money invested to make itwork.
If I can get my own RO system going by then I might try rigging up a DTW system. There's a sump down there I can drain to that will pump itself out as it fills.

Most likely I'll try to time things so there is less plants to care for and she'll just have to water them once a week while I'm gone. Done that many times before when I working out of town for a month at a time. I prune them back harshly and lower the light levels to slow growth. Can keep them colder down there too so that slows growth as well.

Came home once to a total mite apocalypse so don't want a repeat of that. lol

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Hempire828

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This is a problem for me that I have noticed and glad it was brought back to my attention..

For no apparent reason I’m always doing this mainly when I’m transplanting.

Like said earlier, by the time the plant is grown up. It’s missing a few oz of dirt.. so you’re right... all I’ve been doing is cutting my rooting mass almost by half... t
I fill mine pretty close to the top but it still settles down a couple inches lower than I want it after some time.

I'll get some fresh mix ready then pull the plant out, saw off a couple inches of the bottom of the rootball to get rid of the stringy roots if any then toss a bunch of fresh mix in the bottom and set her back down and water in good. During flower is fine too.

Not a big deal.

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i have heard not to transplant in flower... I just recently did it from 3 to 5 gallon fabric...and once a while back... I saw no stress and the plants continued on..
 

OldMedUser

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This is a problem for me that I have noticed and glad it was brought back to my attention..

For no apparent reason I’m always doing this mainly when I’m transplanting.

Like said earlier, by the time the plant is grown up. It’s missing a few oz of dirt.. so you’re right... all I’ve been doing is cutting my rooting mass almost by half... t

i have heard not to transplant in flower... I just recently did it from 3 to 5 gallon fabric...and once a while back... I saw no stress and the plants continued on..
How do you get them out of those cloth pots for transplants? With plastic pots I let them get pretty dry and they lift right out in one big ball. I have the new mix well moistened beforehand then once it's settled in soak the whole pot well to make sure it's saturated.

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PadawanWarrior

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How do you get them out of those cloth pots for transplants? With plastic pots I let them get pretty dry and they lift right out in one big ball. I have the new mix well moistened beforehand then once it's settled in soak the whole pot well to make sure it's saturated.

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They have special transplant fabric pots that open up for transplanting. Makes it a lot easier.
 

OldMedUser

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They have special transplant fabric pots that open up for transplanting. Makes it a lot easier.
I wondered about those plastic smart pots too but found out they lay flat and you clip them together to form a cylinder with a base. I think I would like those better but good old nursery pots have worked well for me so far with my root pruning during transplant.

Getting old and set in my ways I guess. :)

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PadawanWarrior

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I wondered about those plastic smart pots too but found out they lay flat and you clip them together to form a cylinder with a base. I think I would like those better but good old nursery pots have worked well for me so far with my root pruning during transplant.

Getting old and set in my ways I guess. :)

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The ones I'm talking about have Velcro to hold the pot together, that you just undo when you're ready to transplant. Really easy to use, but my Rh is usually 10-20 so they dry out too fast for me. I'm using plastic pots again. I actually bought a huge box of the fabric ones before I realized how often I'd be watering. I'm in 15 gal plastic now with 10 month old FFOF.
 

PURPLEB3RRYKUSH

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I’m just going to throw this out there for what it’s worth. I see a lot of pictures posted on RIU that show pots that are no where near full. What is up with that? I can understand soil settling over time, What I’m talking about is plants that were planted with a lot of space in the pot below the rim.
A couple of points. First, yield is directly related to root mass. If you have a 12” tall pot and only fill to 9“ that’s a 25% reduction which will be reflected in yield simply by the reduction in root mass.

But not filling pots completely creates another problem that effects yields and causes other problems. Think of the soil like a sponge. If you float a sponge in water and pick it up flat, it hold a lot of water. A very high percentage of the pore spaces are filled with water. Now if you put it on end, water drains out allowing air to fill more of the pore spaces. So a shallowly filled pot is going to have a higher percentage of pore space filled with water after a full watering than a deep pot. Put simply: It is easier to drowned a plant in a shallow pot than a deep pot. Roots need oxygen to grow. The less oxygen the slower the growth the less the yield.

Anyway just for what it’s worth.
Some dont fill pots all the way to make room for top dressing, ORGANICSSS
 
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