Finished Bud Tastes Awful

Those who say flushing is bad work for nute companies (wether they realize it or not)

Nutes/additives are the #1 thing i taste when vaping poorly cured commercially grown dispensary weed. (no terps to cove up the additives)

I eventually came to realise that bloom additives were holding back the taste of all properly cured buds.

Coming from organic, youre not going to be happy with bottle grows. Flower nutes are a $ racket for the most part.

Just a few thoughts from a very observant potsmoker.. I hate to see flushing poopooed when i can id different brands and shops by blind taste test..

Trichometry101 said:

Those who say flushing is bad work for nute companies (wether they realize it or not)

Nutes/additives are the #1 thing i taste when vaping poorly cured commercially grown dispensary weed. (no terps to cove up the additives)

I eventually came to realise that bloom additives were holding back the taste of all properly cured buds.

Coming from organic, youre not going to be happy with bottle grows. Flower nutes are a $ racket for the most part.

Just a few thoughts from a very observant potsmoker.. I hate to see flushing poopooed when i can id different brands and shops by blind taste test..

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So plants can uptake the nutrient in the bottle directly into its flowers?

are you saying that even after a cure (when chlorophyll breaks down) you will still have nutrients left behind?

What if you dont feed retarded bloom levels, do you think it would still need a flush?

flushing is Such BS, seems to be based off pure stoner psuedo science with no real evidence to back it up. I flushed my first grow and all it did was stunt the buds growth.

Maybe it needs a cure. Or it dried to much, i've had that happen to a plant and it tasted like shit and was super harsh. Left it hanging for like a month..still got me baked

Trichometry101 said:

Those who say flushing is bad work for nute companies (wether they realize it or not)

Nutes/additives are the #1 thing i taste when vaping poorly cured commercially grown dispensary weed. (no terps to cove up the additives)

I eventually came to realise that bloom additives were holding back the taste of all properly cured buds.

Coming from organic, youre not going to be happy with bottle grows. Flower nutes are a $ racket for the most part.

Just a few thoughts from a very observant potsmoker.. I hate to see flushing poopooed when i can id different brands and shops by blind taste test..

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nice 1st post lol i bet you could totally taste those NPKs from different grow stores

Trichometry101 said:

Those who say flushing is bad work for nute companies (wether they realize it or not)

Nutes/additives are the #1 thing i taste when vaping poorly cured commercially grown dispensary weed. (no terps to cove up the additives)

I eventually came to realise that bloom additives were holding back the taste of all properly cured buds.

Coming from organic, youre not going to be happy with bottle grows. Flower nutes are a $ racket for the most part.

Just a few thoughts from a very observant potsmoker.. I hate to see flushing poopooed when i can id different brands and shops by blind taste test..

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I'm really torn on your post here... On the one hand I agree with you. Bloom nutrients and supplements for the most part are utter nonsense. Then on the other hand the rest of your post sounds like the common run of the mill, half retarded stoner, have to flush the nutrients from my plant nonsense... Gah.. Im really torn here, but I'm afraid I'm gonna have to go with the latter in this case.

Bro he can totally taste those salts!

I once used some shit called overdrive that fucked up my plants taste wise. Cant recall what was in it but the buds looked and smelled great but smoking them was awful.

I have always wondered how much flushing makes a difference, but I've always done it. I did grow a plant a couple of years ago that I thought wasn't flushed enough and it burned awfully, to little black chunks.

I have never heard of flushing too much. Perhaps this is something that I need to explore.

Also, the Canna feed schedule recommends ceasing feeding of their base nutrient for the final 1-2 weeks before harvest.

atomicData said:

Thanks, all, for your comments and suggestions. I am going to try adding a hygrometer to the jar to see what it's like. It seems dry enough, but maybe it isn't. In the future I will get it to dry a bit quicker.

Perhaps it was genetics? It is Tangerine Dream from Barney's Farm. I have heard shitty things about this strain.

I had myself convinced that I had somehow contaminated the plants with aluminum dissolved in the old pH down solution!

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Yup heard crappy stuff to.

Lucky Luke said:

Could of also been to dry before you started the cure.

Stop flushing or at the very least dont flush as much as you did.

Id also be getting rid of those bottles..they could well be the culprit.

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i agree,flushing starves the plant,just lower nuits by half then a quarter then a quarter again,sorry lad i dont really have any advice on this,its new to me.fook it sell it and buy some good stuff,learn and move on

I once had a plant taste like fish. That dank aquaponics, yo.

I agree with those who think it's bad genetics as well as improper drying/curing as the most likely culprits. I've grown some herb that came out looking like those, really airy and had that same look, smell decent but the taste was nasty. And drying is the next issue, you definitely want to extend the dry time as with good tobacco, there are changes that occur, but moisture content has to be there as well. So when I'm drying I try to keep the temps below 75 F. and the ambient humidity around 60-65% (there are variations on a theme, such as when drying really dense buds, I'll crank the humidity down to 40% for the first two days before letting it slowly creep back up to 60-65%). I always use a fan to move air in the room, but no directly on the buds.

After hanging for close to 2 weeks or more I want the branches to still be a bit bendy, NOT dry enough to snap, and then they go into paper bags (double thick lawn type), under the same conditions for another week or as long as it takes to reach the snap point or close to 60% rH. I like this step because it slows down the drying process which allows more time at the rH range that affects changes in the flavor profile, but also because for me personally, when growing quantities above 2 lbs, jarring can be problematic, and slowing down the curing process gives me time to trim everything without some material at the start being too moist and the last too dry. I've also found that the paper bag tech can be used to extend dry times if necessary, like when you have to be gone for a period of time or some other unexpected event interferes (shit happens ;?). I do this by using an rH controlled humidifier (or humidifier on a timer works) in the room keeping it around 60-65% (this can be tricky and you have to have a handle of how to maintain rH where you want it).
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Also, been growing weed on and off again since the 70's, and I can honestly say that flushing absolutely helps the taste and smoke quality. Done side by side tests along with a dozen friends over the years who all confirmed the results, that to rid the plants of excess nutes, a good long flush is best. Those who pooh-pooh such advice just haven't taken the time to actually find out for themselves or ARE NOT DOING IT PROPERLY, (as in adequately FLUSHING, not just feeding water, but RINSING the medium of nutes) imho. If you use hydro, then it's a matter of flushing it out of the plant itself and that's where the defoliation process come in.

I'm currently running modified Hempy buckets and usually flush during the last 10-12 days, and I'm finding that the more you flush (as in volume of water run through the container), the better. Sure, it can be a messy process and a pita, but good quality herb takes work or iow, if it was easy anyone could do it, lol I find using a large shop vac helps to remove the excess, but there are other ways depending on your situation. Plus beginning to defoliate early in the flushing process, getting rid of all the large fan leaves first and then progressively getting rid of the rest of the leaves so that the plant is forced to use whatever nutrients are stored in the rest of the plant, so that by chop time your girls are mostly naked and leaving little work to do come trim time.

Btw, if you're going to go through the trouble to grow your own, bite the bullet and always use fairly fresh nutes. I try not to keep stuff longer than a couple of years at most (some much less depending on content). The less organic the longer it will keep, but imo you get out what you put in, and considering the cost of good quality dank buds, isn't it worth it to insure you get there? So toss that old shite, if for nothing else at least you'll have the peace of mind knowing that the age of your nutes isn't the source of any problems you might have.

If you go organic and amend your own super soil, theres no neex for flush...water normaly.
I personaly believe "flushing" is a myth.

Maybe if your using real bad crap like Advanced Nutes. A flush may be benificial? But i dont see it.

Use the earth...save your money! A little reserach goes alongggggg way.

The vast majority of the time I've ever tasted really skanky stuff was because it wasn't properly cured. I even saw some that obviously didn't open their jars often enough and had put them into jars when they were still too moist and actually had touches of mold/mildew.

Nothing will ruin your smoke like mold/mildew will. Nothing.

EDIT: I deleted this comment due to derogatory comments and wrong assumptions on my part, my apologies. ;?)
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TacoMac said:

The vast majority of the time I've ever tasted really skanky stuff was because it wasn't properly cured. I even saw some that obviously didn't open their jars often enough and had put them into jars when they were still too moist and actually had touches of mold/mildew.

Nothing will ruin your smoke like mold/mildew will. Nothing.

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Yeah, musty mildewy weed is ganky, lol. But also, if you leave insufficiently dried weed enclosed in a container too long, even paper bags, add a little too much heat and your bud starts to decompose, and even a little of this goes a long way to ruining the odor and flavor profiles, whether or not you actually develop mold/mildew.

Proper curing is one of the harder aspects to learn in this craft, just takes time/experience or the ability to follow instructions to a tee and extreme attention to details. I like to think of it like being able to create an excellent home brewed beer or wine, it can be learned over time, while some just have a knack for it.

fearnoevil said:

Look shhhmuckey, the majority of growers ARE NOT USING ORGANICS, you do understand that, right? Not because it isn't better, perhaps it is, but there's a higher level of difficulty and it takes more time to learn the fundamentals and it does comes with its own set of problems/challenges. Organonazis just can't get that through their thick skulls, so go back to your organic threads OR if you actually want to add something to the thread by telling how you do things, stick to that, otherwise stfu with your criticisms of chemical nutrients.

Frankly I'm SICK AND TIRED of you peeps chiming in on every other thread and then knocking what other folks find works for them. LONG, LONG before your "organic" trend became popular, people have been growing weed using these nutrients, so put a sock in it already. Many people find hydro to be superior in some aspects, and where evidence is concerned, much of the benefits you peeps drone on about sound more like a religion than actual factual science.

If you find with organics that you don't have to flush, that's just fine and dandy, but for those who do use nutrients, a flush works, that's a fact. But your ILLOGICAL statement that first off, you use organics, and that second you don't find flushing beneficial, just shows how narrow minded and ignorant you are, and a little ignorance goes a looonnnngg way ;?)

"I just don't see it"??? That's because you're blinded by your beliefs, you can't see the facts.

Btw, do you grow indoors with artificial lights? Really? Doesn't sound 100% natural to me....

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Lol dude... im no organonazi or what ever lol. I switch it up. I do indoors and out doors. I have no preferance.

I was just saying what i thought... it wasnt directed to any one, iv never posted in the organics threads (i dont think)

Im a complete noob myself and like i said i do both organic and chem nutes. Differnt times differnt grows. I have no preferance betweeen one or the other... and when i say a little research goes a long way... just means i have done alot of it to learn what i know.

So i dont really see how i offended you... i think maybe you just wernt loved enough as a child?

Lol peace dude.

Oh, okay my bad, sorry, just a bit grumpy on this topic, there are those I sometimes refer to as organonazis who just won't let up on that topic. And don't get me wrong, I'm not against organics and in fact when I grew outdoors that was mostly what I used.

But when I switched to hydro I found it harder to transfer that tech, and while I still add some organic compounds, I find that using certain artificial nutrients (not some of the bad stuff that is out there, some of which is even carcinogenic) is useful. Thanks for keepin it cool dude, peace indeed ;?)

Someday, when I move to Oregon and can grow outside again, I am planning on going back to organic farming. I'm a big fan of permaculture, just can't practice it much living in the city under my current conditions. Gonna raise my own chickens, maybe a couple of larger animals, and incorporate the manure, even have a nice big organic garden, but I'm not religious about the idea either. If something manmade works and isn't bad for you, I'll use it, I don't find being a purist works in this day and age ;?)