TokyWartooth

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Starting my first grow would love advice.
Before starting I did lots of research to try and prepare to grow well in a climate where the humidity would most likely be sitting around 25% outside.

That in consideration I had to make a setup that would allow for humidity to build much higher than that in my grow room.

My setup now looks like this. I have a standard bedroom closet with two sliding doors. I have lined the walls with aluminum foil (planning on switching to Mylar or a pure white wall soon). For lighting I have a T8 dual bulb for the vegetative stage I am using one 5500k fluorescent tube and one 3400k fluorescent tube assumed to be pumping out about 4500 lumens.. I also am running a LED construction floodlight. It's producing a white spectrum of light and pumping out about 14500 lumens. The Fluorescent Ballast is hanging about 4"-12" away from the plants whereas the LED ballast is hanging from the ceiling.

For airflow I currently have have a large room fan pointing at the grow closet creating a flow through the closet to where I have a 6" HVAC pipe with a HVAC fan pumping air outside.

Inside the closet I am currently running one large hot humidifier which alone helps me rise humidity levels to about 45%. Plus I am also running a small desk humidifier which pushes out a cool mist. I have that facing on all the small plants right now.

I am going to be starting out with potting soil with some nutrients in it. Which goes against some experts. But many others disagree as well as many people I know with growing experience claim it makes no difference or probably helps.

So enough about the setup. I started out by purchasing a 10 pack of non-femenized seeds from a local headshop. I put all 10 seeds in a cup of water. They all sunk within 4-8 hours which was a really good sign to me. As its my first time I wanted to experiment a bit so I put 5 seeds directly in dirt after sinking them. Then I put 5 in damp paper towel in between two plates in the warm cupboard on top of my fridge. Checking on them every 8-12 hours I waited till 4 showed signs of popping and letting the taproots out a 1/4" This took about three days. I decided to plant all 5 seeds into Solo cups on the third day.

First signs of life! So Dec 21 I noticed the first seedling popped up and within hours 2 others had popped. these were the first three plants to pop and they were three seeds from the {cup to dirt} method. I called the first plant Charizard the second Omnastar and the third Wheezing. Charizard notably was the first seed to pop. Then 2 days later I had three other seeds from the {cup to paper towel to dirt} method named Bayleaf, Vileplume and SlowBro.

Dec 23 I had noticed Charizard to be growing about twice as fast as the other two plants Omnastar and Wheezing. It was already measuring 2 inches. The other two plants much smaller at 1 inch each. The leaves were also maturing at about 3x the rate.

Dec 28 is now here. So of the other plants that did not sprout I went back in and found none of the seeds to ever have tried sprouted underground. So I have tried a desperate method of revival by making a small incision on the spine of the seed and then putting back in soil under a reptile heat lamp with lots of moisture in soil to allow for possible life.

Going back to the plants the first three sprouts are all looking very healthy. I used clear solo cups from the start so when roots started touching the edges I would transplant to a larger pot to avoid root lock. So on Dec 27 that is what I did. I know this feels premature but from the signs I feel it was time although not completely necessary. Later I will post photos to show why I transplanted early.

As for the other three plants that sprouted second. 2 of them are looking very healthy maturing rapidly. the other "Bayleaf" grew from the soil with the shell clamped quite solidly around the embryo leaves blocking any light. I left the plant this way for two days while its sibling plants grew there first real leaves. At that point the Stem was starting to droop and look very unhealthy I decided it was time for action. I went in with 2 pairs of fine tip tweezers and carefully extracted the seed off the embyonic leaves and the tip of the stem. The leaves underneath were not good looking brown shrivelled and dying. So I put them under a less intense light and misted the plant finely let it go for a day or so. The plant kept dying. So looking very carefully I saw two "Real" jagged leaves hiding under the two curled up dead embryo leaves. so I carefully snipped off the embryo leaves and now the real leaves are starting to grow healthier the stem has straightened and gained height and all its colour has returned. I now have good hopes for this plant to continue on healthy again. Growing slowly at first but possibly still turning out ok.

Anyway I hope t be keeping this thread very up to date as I continue this grow I believe I have done a lot of research and have a good starting knowledge to growing but would love if other people could pitch in information and let me know any improvements I could make!

Ps stay tuned for some pictures of the plants. Lighting schedule, fertilizer plan and more on the growth of the plants

-TokyWoky
 

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flashx

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Sounds good. The rH isn't as important as the ph of the water and also the lighting. A wet/damp towel can rise your humidity up too. I have no experience with t8 lighting but vegging isn't as picky as flowering stages, for flowering you should get hps or a good led. Good lighting is the different between popcorn airy bud and fat dense top shelf. Those LED flood lights are not spec for growing condition.
Good luck to you man. Hope you get a dank harvest.
 

TokyWartooth

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Thanks a lot for the advice on the ph I'm gonna run out get some strips and use some organic vinager to drop the ph.

I do know that during the flowering stage an HPS or a grow light specifically designed for growing would be preferable. At this point I am at a budget and am planning on flowing with my t8. I also plan on subbing in one or two CFL's per plant instead of the LED floodlight. When I start flowering and my 12/12. I also plan on using a UV curing lamp for curing glues. It is a 48" fluorescent I'll be leaving a few feet away from the plants only on for a few hours a day (possibly during the dark looking for advice everywhere btw guys!) I'm still not 100% on this light though seeing as how harsh it is. Any advice there on using 2 40 watt uv fluorescent tube bulbs to help cure?

-TokyWoky
 

flashx

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PH is hella important, back when I first started growing I ignored balancing my ph. I just winged it and boy did it affected my plants. During vegs, ph isn't as vital and you cannot tell as clearly as during the flowering stage. But a ph imbalance during veg can show up.
Oh and using organic vinegar isn't the best idea too. It is not stable, it fluctuate a lot in a short amount of time. I used baking soda before too. I would get the hydroponic ph up and down. Or if you want to be all organic, I suggest the (natural earth up and down) solution. Best of luck to you
 

TokyWartooth

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I have a question now based on gender.
So my 3 main plants are now getting to the point where I think it is possible to start identifying gender.
I do not see any signs on two of the smaller plants. But on the biggest "Charizard" I have noticed what I believe to be the start of Pre-Flowers I have some high def photos I believe should show what I believe are early signs of it being a female. Here are the photos. Let me know what you guys think.
My reason for believing at this point for the plants to be female would be that I see pistils crossing which I hear is not a sure sign of a plant being female but a good indicator.
I plan on flowering at a month and am not concerned yet with pollinating obviously. But do want to move males to another room in the house for interesting decorations.
 

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nfhiggs

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I have a question now based on gender.
So my 3 main plants are now getting to the point where I think it is possible to start identifying gender.
I do not see any signs on two of the smaller plants. But on the biggest "Charizard" I have noticed what I believe to be the start of Pre-Flowers I have some high def photos I believe should show what I believe are early signs of it being a female. Here are the photos. Let me know what you guys think.
My reason for believing at this point for the plants to be female would be that I see pistils crossing which I hear is not a sure sign of a plant being female but a good indicator.
I plan on flowering at a month and am not concerned yet with pollinating obviously. But do want to move males to another room in the house for interesting decorations.
That is not preflower pistils. Its simply normal growth nodes. Plants seldom show preflowers before switching to flower, and never that young. Be patient. Let them get big enough to take a cutting. Put the cutting under 12/12 light. Within a few days they will show signs of flower.
 

TokyWartooth

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That is not preflower pistils. Its simply normal growth nodes. Plants seldom show preflowers before switching to flower, and never that young. Be patient. Let them get big enough to take a cutting. Put the cutting under 12/12 light. Within a few days they will show signs of flower.
Thanks a lot I will definitely be doing that! Also thanks for letting me know I'm probably getting a little overeager over here haha
 

nfhiggs

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Thanks a lot I will definitely be doing that! Also thanks for letting me know I'm probably getting a little overeager over here haha
This is definitely a game of patience. Impatience is probably what kill young plants more than anything.
 

TokyWartooth

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Just an update on lighting.
So right now as far as known output I have a t8 ballast with 2 32 watt bulbs at 6000 kelvins each. I am also running a 40 Watt LED floodlight putting out white light.
I am well aware that one t8 ballast is generally considered not enough to grow even the smallest of crops to harvest.
What I'm not exactly sure of is what the effects of the white LED will be although th I know it is putting out 15500 lumens. (5th picture)
I have seen one vlog where a home grower had side by side tomatoe plants essentially. One grown with an LED spec for growing, one that is just producing white light.
In the end despite claiming to have bought a high quality grow light and using exactly the same methods for some reason the plant grown with the white LED was bigger bushier with thicker stronger stems.
Note he only brought the plants to the end the vegging cycle (white led probably won't be anywhere near as effective for flowering unless somehow the spectrum is shifter to a more red blue colour.)
I'm somewhat asking opinions on how well people think this kind of setup will work for vegging but also at this point I'm full steam ahead for growing with this setup which I believe will have a surprising yield.
Anyone have any experience with setups similar to this?
For flowing I am gonna be switching from 6000 k bulbs to 3300k fluorescent bulbs. As for the LED I am aware that the light is producing white light thus all spectrums. (1st picture) For the flowering stage this would work but not ideally. So I will be modifying the reflector attached to the LED. I will be using a gold glitter Bristol board to reflect a purer different spectrum. The gold board when held to a light you see a rainbow but it is made up of different colours. They are yellow red blue and a hint of green.(3rd picture) So by reflecting out only those colours I believe this hue creates a perfect fall lighting for the plants.(2nd picture)
Any opinions?
 

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Tim Fox

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Just an update on lighting.
So right now as far as known output I have a t8 ballast with 2 32 watt bulbs at 6000 kelvins each. I am also running a 40 Watt LED floodlight putting out white light.
I am well aware that one t8 ballast is generally considered not enough to grow even the smallest of crops to harvest.
What I'm not exactly sure of is what the effects of the white LED will be although th I know it is putting out 15500 lumens. (5th picture)
I have seen one vlog where a home grower had side by side tomatoe plants essentially. One grown with an LED spec for growing, one that is just producing white light.
In the end despite claiming to have bought a high quality grow light and using exactly the same methods for some reason the plant grown with the white LED was bigger bushier with thicker stronger stems.
Note he only brought the plants to the end the vegging cycle (white led probably won't be anywhere near as effective for flowering unless somehow the spectrum is shifter to a more red blue colour.)
I'm somewhat asking opinions on how well people think this kind of setup will work for vegging but also at this point I'm full steam ahead for growing with this setup which I believe will have a surprising yield.
Anyone have any experience with setups similar to this?
For flowing I am gonna be switching from 6000 k bulbs to 3300k fluorescent bulbs. As for the LED I am aware that the light is producing white light thus all spectrums. (1st picture) For the flowering stage this would work but not ideally. So I will be modifying the reflector attached to the LED. I will be using a gold glitter Bristol board to reflect a purer different spectrum. The gold board when held to a light you see a rainbow but it is made up of different colours. They are yellow red blue and a hint of green.(3rd picture) So by reflecting out only those colours I believe this hue creates a perfect fall lighting for the plants.(2nd picture)
Any opinions?
Ya man grow under the light you have turn it all on those shop lights will work digging this grow
 

nfhiggs

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Just an update on lighting.
So right now as far as known output I have a t8 ballast with 2 32 watt bulbs at 6000 kelvins each. I am also running a 40 Watt LED floodlight putting out white light.
I am well aware that one t8 ballast is generally considered not enough to grow even the smallest of crops to harvest.
What I'm not exactly sure of is what the effects of the white LED will be although th I know it is putting out 15500 lumens. (5th picture)
I have seen one vlog where a home grower had side by side tomatoe plants essentially. One grown with an LED spec for growing, one that is just producing white light.
In the end despite claiming to have bought a high quality grow light and using exactly the same methods for some reason the plant grown with the white LED was bigger bushier with thicker stronger stems.
Note he only brought the plants to the end the vegging cycle (white led probably won't be anywhere near as effective for flowering unless somehow the spectrum is shifter to a more red blue colour.)
I'm somewhat asking opinions on how well people think this kind of setup will work for vegging but also at this point I'm full steam ahead for growing with this setup which I believe will have a surprising yield.
Anyone have any experience with setups similar to this?
For flowing I am gonna be switching from 6000 k bulbs to 3300k fluorescent bulbs. As for the LED I am aware that the light is producing white light thus all spectrums. (1st picture) For the flowering stage this would work but not ideally. So I will be modifying the reflector attached to the LED. I will be using a gold glitter Bristol board to reflect a purer different spectrum. The gold board when held to a light you see a rainbow but it is made up of different colours. They are yellow red blue and a hint of green.(3rd picture) So by reflecting out only those colours I believe this hue creates a perfect fall lighting for the plants.(2nd picture)
Any opinions?
Forget the reflector idea. Completely unnecessary. Just use it as is, and add in 3000K light if you think you need it. You don't see anything filtering the sun's white light do you? Do you know the color temp of the LED bulb? is it warm (yellowish) or cool (bluish)?
 

TokyWartooth

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Forget the reflector idea. Completely unnecessary. Just use it as is, and add in 3000K light if you think you need it. You don't see anything filtering the sun's white light do you? Do you know the color temp of the LED bulb? is it warm (yellowish) or cool (bluish)?
I would definitely say it's more of a cool blue feel to the LED? And as for the sun I feel like I'm the fall it is somewhat filtered by atmosphere as the earth tilts and creates a more naturally ruddish lighting not massively so but enough that it could be said to be noticeable. The amount of light lost vs the amount of fall colour present in my room is a reasonable amount I think then.
My reasoning being is the current reflector that directs the light in a circle is white. White reflect about 95% of the light that hits it. The gold paper if other reflective materials are anything to go off of. It will reflect 50% or so of the light that hits it.
Reflected light can only add an extra 30% to a lights total effectiveness.
If I am not mistaken then very roughly you could "say" (very rudimentaly) that I am getting 130% of my lights potential with the white reflector and 115% with the he gold one.
Again tell me if you still think I'm wrong! I am not calling myself a knowledgable person when it comes to growing I'm just throwing out some of what I've looked into and am really doing this first grow mainly as an experiment.
Thanks a lot!
-TokyWoky
 

TokyWartooth

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I seem to have an issue. So my largest plant so far nicknamed Charizard for now. Is showing brown spots on the bottom few leaves. And the tips of the top leaves are also showing the same tone of brown but the bottom leaves are speckled. Photos will be up in a couple minutes.

Please help tell me whats going on here I think its either nutrient deficiency or possibly over lighting. I just struggle with the lack of nutes because plant is so young and has good promix soil. I also find it hard to believe that the lights are burning the plantBUT the plant that is showing spots was closest to the LED I am using.

Still I need opinions. Anyone concur thinking lack of nutes?

Also the second smaller plant in the photo really not too sure what's wrong with it it's been spindly like this it's whole life I thought just a strange strain but now it's white ring?
 

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