First Coco Grow and I am not Happy how she looks

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Fiete

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Hello everyone

I growing an Autoflower Strain in Canna Coco Plus with Canna Nutrients line, the first 2 Weeks was Awesome no Problems nothink Plant Growing Super Nice but after Friday I come Home and my Plant looking droppy the leafs are hanging down I thought she is Hungry and need Water so I water her with 500ml and EC the Water to 1.3 and PH 5.6.

My first thought she was Hungry, so I give the Next Day 2 Liter Water maybe to much but the reason why I try Coco is the drainage benefits not overwatering her so I don't think to much water is the problem? The EC is not to High and the PH in the correct range, why she looking so wired? I dealing with Pest I found Thrips the last week but I Spray her every day with a soap Neem solution.

Here you can watch her looking not Bad but not Healthy leafs down, and up Crazy...


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rob333

rob333

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Fiete said:
Hello everyone

I growing an Autoflower Strain in Canna Coco Plus with Canna Nutrients line, the first 2 Weeks was Awesome no Problems nothink Plant Growing Super Nice but after Friday I come Home and my Plant looking droppy the leafs are hanging down I thought she is Hungry and need Water so I water her with 500ml and EC the Water to 1.3 and PH 5.6.

My first thought she was Hungry, so I give the Next Day 2 Liter Water maybe to much but the reason why I try Coco is the drainage benefits not overwatering her so I don't think to much water is the problem? The EC is not to High and the PH in the correct range, why she looking so wired? I dealing with Pest I found Thrips the last week but I Spray her every day with a soap Neem solution.

Here you can watch her looking not Bad but not Healthy leafs down, and up Crazy...


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at this point i would be running feeds at 3 times a day every day with a fresh water run on the 6th day then u will be really impressed with coco
 
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Fiete

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rob333 said:
at this point i would be running feeds at 3 times a day every day with a fresh water run on the 6th day then u will be really impressed with coco
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Do you think it is not to much water 3 times a Day? How much Water I grow in 15 Liter Airpot.
 
zypheruk

zypheruk

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if your pots ain't lighter but still damp before a feed leave feeding for awhile longer. I don't think your pots are rooted out enough to drink it all in a day. Also don't use as strong a mixture when doing multiple feeds each day. So example single feed per day ec1.4 multiple 1.2 ec should be ample
 
Cx2H

Cx2H

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Over water, yes you can in Coco. Over water looks like under watered.

Coco is the sheet if you know how to use it..

No pearlite? It's not draining well. Too much water for a small root system.
5.6 is too low. 5.8-6.2

You do know Coco binds Mg in the fibers and needs to be supplemented.

Strong neem oil concentration will drop leafs. Depending on what kind of soap it can drop leafs.

Bugs will drop leafs.
 
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Fiete

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Cx2H said:
Over water, yes you can in Coco. Over water looks like under watered.

Coco is the sheet if you know how to use it..

No pearlite? It's not draining well. Too much water for a small root system.
5.6 is too low. 5.8-6.2

You do know Coco binds Mg in the fibers and needs to be supplemented.

Strong neem oil concentration will drop leafs. Depending on what kind of soap it can drop leafs.

Bugs will drop leafs.
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Thank you!!!

No Perlite, I thought Coco alone is enough hmmm some people say with perlite some say without I do it without mistake?


I am using Baby Soap Mixing with Neem 50:50 and 2ml from them to 300ml Destilled Water and Spray yesterday evening the complete Plant specially under the Leafs.

OK, than I water to much i decrease the Water from now but every Day feeding and Watering is important right?

Ph I increase now to 5.8 to 6.2

I using Cal/mag from Sensi Cal 0.3 EC Cal/mag 0.4 Tap Water = 0.7 EC + 0.5 Canna Nutes A&B = 1.2 EC with every feeding .
 
Unsinkableship420

Unsinkableship420

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Fiete said:
Thank you!!!

No Perlite, I thought Coco alone is enough hmmm some people say with perlite some say without I do it without mistake?


I am using Baby Soap Mixing with Neem 50:50 and 2ml from them to 300ml Destilled Water and Spray yesterday evening the complete Plant specially under the Leafs.

OK, than I water to much i decrease the Water from now but every Day feeding and Watering is important right?

Ph I increase now to 5.8 to 6.2

I using Cal/mag from Sensi Cal 0.3 EC Cal/mag 0.4 Tap Water = 0.7 EC + 0.5 Canna Nutes A&B = 1.2 EC with every feeding .
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Hey mate
You won't need cal/mag if your using tap water with an ec of 0.4 , as the guys above said yes you will definitely need to feed multiple times per day. Then flush once a week until your runoff ec is right down.
I use 30L pots and feed 3 times per day in flower.... If you stay in that size pot , you will prob need to water more like 5+ times a day when you hit flower. Remember its a hydroponic medium not soil. I run about a 60/40 mix of coco/perlite definitely helps with drainage and not getting wet feet .
 
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Fiete

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Unsinkableship420 said:
Hey mate
You won't need cal/mag if your using tap water with an ec of 0.4 , as the guys above said yes you will definitely need to feed multiple times per day. Then flush once a week until your runoff ec is right down.
I use 30L pots and feed 3 times per day in flower.... If you stay in that size pot , you will prob need to water more like 5+ times a day when you hit flower. Remember its a hydroponic medium not soil. I run about a 60/40 mix of coco/perlite definitely helps with drainage and not getting wet feet .
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You got much perlite I understand you need more feeding / Day but with pure Coco I realy think 1-2 times is enough. So many people say different thinks that's crazy but I now what you mean.

Do you think my Plant looks OK?
 
ANC

ANC

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You can't overwater in coco.... Or at least the water isn't the problem.
Oxygen moves very slowly through a pot, so if you water a pot and it is cold or you trim lots of branches or for whatever reason the pot doesn't dry fast enough for the roots to breathe again (which they can only do in contact with air or oxygenated water), you choke the plant.... Sometimes it is needed to water still wet plants to force out the old stale water... I like dipping the whole pot or bag while they are small enough, for feedings, and measuring the ppm of the leftover mix to see how hot they are getting. A bag with old stale water in, I would only dip the bottom 3rd or so, let it hang for a few seconds then lift it up fast, to suck out the water from the bottom.
 
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ANC

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THought I would make this a separate post. That pot isn't good for growing weed, unless you are planning to plant out into the soil in your yard.
A smart pot/bag, or even an ordinary nursery bag or pot drilled or punched full of holes would do what you are after, only better...
 
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Fiete

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ANC said:
THought I would make this a separate post. That pot isn't good for growing weed, unless you are planning to plant out into the soil in your yard.
A smart pot/bag, or even an ordinary nursery bag or pot drilled or punched full of holes would do what you are after, only better...
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Airpots are great i belive... Why you don't like it? Lot of holes to breath hmm... So now I can't transplant her again next time I can Try a different one.
 
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Fiete

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ANC said:
You can't overwater in coco.... Or at least the water isn't the problem.
Oxygen moves very slowly through a pot, so if you water a pot and it is cold or you trim lots of branches or for whatever reason the pot doesn't dry fast enough for the roots to breathe again (which they can only do in contact with air or oxygenated water), you choke the plant.... Sometimes it is needed to water still wet plants to force out the old stale water... I like dipping the whole pot or bag while they are small enough, for feedings, and measuring the ppm of the leftover mix to see how hot they are getting. A bag with old stale water in, I would only dip the bottom 3rd or so, let it hang for a few seconds then lift it up fast, to suck out the water from the bottom.
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OK, than I need Watering heavy again?? The pot is very Heavy when I am lifting the Airpot that's Scares me to Water heavy again.

I water sometimes with run off to check the EC and no heavy salt built up 1.3 EC are the one I put in so that's good.
 
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vertnugs

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To small of a plant for container size with multiple feeds a day.

Bet she'll look much better shortly if you gave 1 feed per day.As mentioned your ph is a bit low.A drift from 5.8 up to 6.2 is about where you want to be.

Your container must be fairly soggy and heavy most of the time i'd guess?

Have you checked to see how long it takes that container to dry out?I would.This will let you know if she is ready for multiple feeds per day,my guess is she's not.

Coco CAN be over watered if you don't have the plant/root size matched to the correct container.

If you have a clone in a beer cup of coco that has a decent amount of roots and then stick it into a 3 gl pot and water every day guess what's gonna happen.......you're going to run into over watering issues.

There is a misconception out there that coco can't be over watered.If the plant and root structure is to small for the following container YES,coco can have over watering issues.It's all about proper plant/root size to container size.

Once you establish correct plant/root size to container size is where multiple feeds come into play,but not before.

Hopefully i explained it well enough for you to understand.
 
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Fiete

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vertnugs said:
To small of a plant for container size with multiple feeds a day.

Bet she'll look much better shortly if you gave 1 feed per day.As mentioned your ph is a bit low.A drift from 5.8 up to 6.2 is about where you want to be.

Your container must be fairly soggy and heavy most of the time i'd guess?

Have you checked to see how long it takes that container to dry out?I would.This will let you know if she is ready for multiple feeds per day,my guess is she's not.

Coco CAN be over watered if you don't have the plant/root size matched to the correct container.

If you have a clone in a beer cup of coco that has a decent amount of roots and then stick it into a 3 gl pot and water every day guess what's gonna happen.......you're going to run into over watering issues.

There is a misconception out there that coco can't be over watered.If the plant and root structure is to small for the following container YES,coco can have over watering issues.It's all about proper plant/root size to container size.

Once you establish correct plant/root size to container size is where multiple feeds come into play,but not before.

Hopefully i explained it well enough for you to understand.
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I understand it thank you! But i don't now what I need to do now? The Pot is Heavy and most people say watering every Day so I i don't now how much time it need for the pot to dry out ... I make the mistake and transplant to early and feeding to much after transplant. But today I only water her 250ml so the rest of the Wet stuff can dry out litte bit.
 
Cx2H

Cx2H

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Fiete said:
I am using Baby Soap Mixing with Neem 50:50 and 2ml from them to 300ml Destilled Water and Spray yesterday evening the complete Plant specially under the Leafs
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Try insecticidal soap if you can get it, works great and fast on soft body bugs. It's potassium fatty acids.
 
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vertnugs

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Fiete said:
I understand it thank you! But i don't now what I need to do now? The Pot is Heavy and most people say watering every Day so I i don't now how much time it need for the pot to dry out ... I make the mistake and transplant to early and feeding to much after transplant. But today I only water her 250ml so the rest of the Wet stuff can dry out litte bit.
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It'll dry out according to the amount of roots in the container,and room conditions.Might be a day might be 3.


My advice is let it dry some a few times between your water/feed.As your coco drys roots will search for water and fill out your container.

By dry i'm not meaning completely.Dry enough to where your pot isn't saturated and heavy.TO dry and salts will build up and roots will dry out and suffer.Take notice how heavy the container is when fully watered.Let it loose half of it's weight,maybe even a tiny bit more.If your plants get wilty you know you let it get to dry.If that ever happens NEVER water with normal or heavy feeds,use 1/4 or even less strength.Lock out will more than likely become a problem if you let it get to dry to many times.
 
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