First grow room, with budget, sealed rooms Growlab 145 and 145L 2000 watts +1000wveg

Hi!

Ive been thinking about this for some years now, and finally me and some friends gathered up some money and thought since we first would do it why not right? i have to excuse some poor english since its not my first language so dont be afraid to ask if i didnt make completely sense lol.

Anyway, im thinking to go sealed with Co2, with my kind of setup would it be worth it to go with propane generators? would i in that case need two seperate propane generators?

We were thinking 2 x lumateks ballast with blockbuster reflectors in the 145L and 1 in the 145, the measurements are 9'6" x 4'9" x 6'7" on the 145L and 4'9" x 4'9" x 6'7 on 145.

I am thinking of cooling these with http://hydroh.enstore.com/item/primaklima-vifte-160mm-mtermostat-750m3, one of these in each tent to move the hot air from the hoods and duct this hot air to another room.

We live in Scandinavia and its not very hot here, but im also thinking of getting ACs for each tent, i heard subcool talking about some LG ACs and he used to be HVAC guy so he knows what hes talking about, i am also not thinking of going DIY on this issue just so you know.http://www.pexsupply.com/LG-LS091HSV-9000-BTU-Ductless-Single-Zone-Air-Conditioner-Inverter-Heat-Pump-Package it goes for 1300 dollars almost is it necessary? but i know it has built in dehumidifier and with the hoods air cooled and moved the hot air to another room, im thinking it wont use much power right?

Also any thoughts on thos co2 monitor?http://www.greners.com/i/fans-ventilation-filters/equipment/controllers/cap-ppm-1c-co2-ppm-monitor-with-ppm-sensor-for-co2-2-co2-4-and-cgc-1.html i dont need it to controll fans since i will be using timers on them, any experience with this model? ive heard about the fuzzy logic model but also heard that it costs like 60 dollars to make that thing so i dont know.. Im thinking of going organic and supersoil btw, any thoughts on how it is to order organic nutes from america to europe?

also with the sealed setup i wont need any inline fans to get fresh air because the AC will take care of that right? or have i missunderstood something very elementary here? Im still not completely set on anything so please if you have any ideas or anything just say it

Sorry if this thread became a little messy im also thinking of getting some good tape and taping the ducting nice and thight so i dont much air leaking for the co2.

Thanks alot!!

Personally I love sealed. But i live in a part of the world that has incredibly varied weather conditions. I need consistensy.

If you live in a cool climate I would vent and take advantage of the free resources that are there for the taking.

I don't recomend using a co2 burner in a tent for obvious reasons. Think of what a tent with an AC, hood, Co2 Gen , fans and all the eletrical will look like. Don't forget you need to fit plants in there too!

In my experience the smaller the space is that you try to seal and control, the more difficult it is. You need space to act as a buffer.
You could seal the room that the two tents are in and exchange with the tents. Keep the environment in the main room at the desired levels with one AC and Co2 system.

If you are just getting into this, I would keep it simple.

Thanks budleydoright!

Ill go with the bottled co2 then The main problem with venting is that we rent so we cant go cutting holes through the walls or the windows, so i was thinking of venting the hot air from the hoods in to another room, and use the AC for the remaining heat in the tent?

Im trying to keep it simple i just feel like sealed is the way to go conserning bugs and everything really. The LG unit has an "indoor" unit wich i thought was only the small part of the AC? i dont think it takes up that much space really if you look at the photo. but thanks for info now im one step further

I didn't realize you were looking at a mini split. While these are kind of temporary installs. They are not made to be put in a tent.

The AC would require a hole in the wall as well. I still think you would be better off controlling the room that the tents are in rather than trying to control 2 tents. A single 12k ac would easily handle your 2k with open hoods and no ducting.

i run sealed myself. 4 1ks. Same situation. I rent plus all the walls are block. there is no venting were I am.

But with a 12k ac running constantly wouldnt this affect power bills alot?

The thing is the tents are gonna be in different rooms most likely, why would the AC require a hole in the wall? sorry for my ignorance on this whole AC thing its just not really my field of expertise. I just thought that you would have the indoor unit inside the tent and the outdoor unit right outside the tent but in the same room?

Ive just read subcools grow room vent efficiancy thread and he said that its cheaper to move hot air than to cool it, and then my AC wouldnt be using that much power? since a 6" fan doesnt use that much anyway.

Still maybe your right about running a little bigger AC and no ductings, thanks for the input really appriciated

Edit: Ok after doing some research on the LG split unit i found out that i couldnt install that myself and im looking for a portable AC now instead

You may want to ask your questions here, too:
https://www.rollitup.org/grow-room-design-setup/513173-grow-room-floorplans-here-help.html

That said I'll share with you what I have purchased and why. First I live in a climate that is very hot from May through October and will be using two tents in a garage.
Tents: GL145 for veg with a T5 8 bulb and T5 4 bulb set up. (alternating with 8 blue and 4 red bulbs) There will be a 4" fan with thermostat if it gets too warm in there. The GL145 will be ducted to the GL240.
GL240 for flower with 2 6" Yieldmaster Supreme reflectors, two 600 watt bulbs, two 250 watt Feliz CFL with reflectors for continued veg, a 6"HO CanFan with filter sucking the air through the reflectors......and a Danby 13,000 BTU A/C, heater, dehumidifier in the tent. The CanFan will be vented out through a garage window.
I want to keep the Lumatek LK600's out of the tent, so they will be outside the tent with a fan blowing on them.
I would ask a lot of questions and once you have settled on a plan....run the system for 3 days to check for heat and light leaks. All tents leak light and will likely need to be sealed in some places. You will also avoid a mistake I may have made by buying the A/C unit before testing my system.
I hope this helped. There are far more informed people than I am concerning sealed growing environments.
Good luck!!

Hey thanks im checking out the thread now Cool that you are running one of the tents im planning on, are you satisfied? im also thinking 8 plants in the flower room and and 8 in the veg. Good advice on running it in 3 days, what was wrong with your AC? im trying to find a good 220v portable with 12K BTU any tips?

Wow! so much tech. I guess I'm fortunate to live somewhere where moderate temps in the summer . We also have the good fortune to live where a basement is in nearly every home. In the summer 1 1000 watt lamp keeps my space warm. Yes warm, basements tend to be cool in the summer. I can set up in the middle of the floor and hang my mylar curtains. In the winter same thing lamps provide the heat no need to heat anything anything.( Most the time) No need to vent anything. And because of the free air flow I dont even run fans after veg. I only use them to help beef up secondary branches, cool temps are my only issue. Upping my wattage improved the temp.In a 12 by 12. 1000 watts creates the perfect veg temp and during 12-12 (bloom), it cools to about 79 deg summer and winter. Also I cant say enough about hydronic floors down there, especially during the reeeal cold times (below zero temps) huge root systems when grown out on hydronic floors!!!!! scandanavia has a climate simiallar to the rockies, yes? peace Eirik, and good luck I'll be looking for your posts on you and your partners project. check out my simple set up in album behind the mylar curtain, I too use bottled co2 with a co2 wizard $65.00 Igrohydro. It does help to work at a brewery free all I need co2!!!

I have a unique situation here and will not set it up for 2-3 months, although everything is purchased.
The A/C unit I purchased is fine...I just should have waited to be certain that I really needed it. If I do not, I already have another use for it I have only found a 120v version, so you will need to see what's available in a portable 240v IF NEEDED. With that many watts you will generate a lot of heat!
This is my model:
http://www.danby.com/product/DPAC13012H/4

Given the space i think I'll be limited to 6-10 plants. (There are three of us involved and independently purchased seeds...another error...no consultation on strains.)
Have fun and ask questions. Oh, you will need a decent meter that checks multiple things....I think I listed mine in the other thread..keep reading threads!!

What's the difference between a mini-split and a portable AC? I don't want to hijack the thread but it's freaking hot out and I can't keep my room cool

Damn melungeonman now you gave me some perspective! my originally plan was to do it in a basement too but had to relocate! i actually think our climates are not that different from the rockie mountains so you are right about that one!

Hmm maybe to air cool the hoods is enough? and do a sealed grow without an AC? Nice grow man, look like your gonna have some killer buds with that space you could in the future expand with another 1k or 600w but maybe then youll have heat problems? Hydronic floors also lots of good ideas, i cant do this on my project now but maybe in the future

Couldnt find the 65 dollar co2 wizard tho, it works good? is it just a regulator? how do you monitor the co2 levels? Thanks alot also good luck to you with your project !!

Brother Numsi: I also have a unique situation and wont be up for a little while actually! not purchased equipment tho. Is the canopy controll a problem since you said no consultation on the strains? you mean co2 meter/monitor? thanks for the input

Sencha said:

What's the difference between a mini-split and a portable AC? I don't want to hijack the thread but it's freaking hot out and I can't keep my room cool

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I think the difference is the mini split systems take more of an installation while the portable AC you can just place in the tent or room, good luck

EirikN said:

I think the difference is the mini split systems take more of an installation while the portable AC you can just place in the tent or room, good luck

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My brief research found portables to be horribly inefficient. Guess I'm shopping for a mini-split.

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My brief research found portables to be horribly inefficient. Guess I'm shopping for a mini-split.

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Yes ive also heard about heat leaking, let me know how it goes!! best of luck

just a couple tips. if you are going to get the growlab tents then check out these extra supports they sell for them. they come in handy, especially when you want to hang a lot of stuff in the tent. (http://www.monstergardens.com/portable-grow-rooms/growlab.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage-vmshopgreen.tpl&product_id=1411&category_id=147). you'll probably need 3 for the 2,000w tent and 2 for the other tent.


i would highly suggest the Hydro Innovations MiniGen. it is a water cooled Co2 generator but it can be run without water cooling just as easy. i has a safety that shuts it off in the event that it tips over and it is relatively cheap. (http://www.greners.com/minigen-co2-generator.html). it is rated for a 100sq.ft. room. also, you do not need a Co2 generator in your veg room. vegging plants do not use nearly as much Co2 as flowering plants and usually ambient levels are sufficient. in my opinion it would just be a waste.

that Co2 monitor that you have listed is only a monitor and not a controller so it will not turn on/off your Co2 system. the one you would need is this one (http://www.greners.com/i/meters-timers/controllers/co2-ppm-controllers/cap-ppm-3-co2-controller-with-co2-ppm-sensor.html)

as for the a/c you can either put a portable 5,000-8,000btu unit in each tent (about $300 each) or you can use a window or minisplit unit to cool the room around your tents but then you will need intake fans on thermostat controllers. something like one of these for each intake fan (http://www.greners.com/i/meters-timers/controllers/temperature-controllers/cap-tmp-dne-digital-cooling-thermostat.html)

good luck buddy.

scoobydooby

Sencha said:

What's the difference between a mini-split and a portable AC? I don't want to hijack the thread but it's freaking hot out and I can't keep my room cool

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minisplits are much more efficient and do not mix or leak air. the compressor is placed outside and the cooling unit and blower are mounted on the wall in the room. with a portable unit the compressor and blower are all in the same housing. they use hoses to seperate the cooling air for the coils from the air being cooled in the room. although sometimes not very efficiently.

Sencha said:

What's the difference between a mini-split and a portable AC? I don't want to hijack the thread but it's freaking hot out and I can't keep my room cool

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Could be something like a ductless Mitsubishi:
http://www.acwholesalers.com/Mitsubishi_Mr_Slim_mitsubishi_air_conditioner_p/11220.htm

ScoobyDoobyDoo said:

just a couple tips. if you are going to get the growlab tents then check out these extra supports they sell for them. they come in handy, especially when you want to hang a lot of stuff in the tent. (http://www.monstergardens.com/portable-grow-rooms/growlab.html?page=shop.product_details&flypage=flypage-vmshopgreen.tpl&product_id=1411&category_id=147). you'll probably need 3 for the 2,000w tent and 2 for the other tent.


i would highly suggest the Hydro Innovations MiniGen. it is a water cooled Co2 generator but it can be run without water cooling just as easy. i has a safety that shuts it off in the event that it tips over and it is relatively cheap. (http://www.greners.com/minigen-co2-generator.html). it is rated for a 100sq.ft. room. also, you do not need a Co2 generator in your veg room. vegging plants do not use nearly as much Co2 as flowering plants and usually ambient levels are sufficient. in my opinion it would just be a waste.

that Co2 monitor that you have listed is only a monitor and not a controller so it will not turn on/off your Co2 system. the one you would need is this one (http://www.greners.com/i/meters-timers/controllers/co2-ppm-controllers/cap-ppm-3-co2-controller-with-co2-ppm-sensor.html)

as for the a/c you can either put a portable 5,000-8,000btu unit in each tent (about $300 each) or you can use a window or minisplit unit to cool the room around your tents but then you will need intake fans on thermostat controllers. something like one of these for each intake fan (http://www.greners.com/i/meters-timers/controllers/temperature-controllers/cap-tmp-dne-digital-cooling-thermostat.html)

good luck buddy.

scoobydooby

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Yes the intake fans i was thinking of was having thermostat controller, but this may be even better since this has a night time function, but is 12v an american standard? we use 220-220v overe in scandinavia so im not familiar with that

I was looking at that model actually, is water cooling necesarry for a co2 generator? do they make much heat? Thanks for the tips ScoobyDoobyDoo!! I am now thinking of running it without and AC and rather move the hot air from the hoods to another room. Also that extra support for the tents was smart ill add that to my list!

EirikN said:

Yes the intake fans i was thinking of was having thermostat controller, but this may be even better since this has a night time function, but is 12v an american standard? we use 220-220v overe in scandinavia so im not familiar with that

I was looking at that model actually, is water cooling necesarry for a co2 generator? do they make much heat? Thanks for the tips ScoobyDoobyDoo!! I am now thinking of running it without and AC and rather move the hot air from the hoods to another room. Also that extra support for the tents was smart ill add that to my list!

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you would have to find a 220v version of that or use a converter plug. i have never seen a 220v version of it but i'm from the U.S. it's just a piggyback plug so you would plug the fan into it and then it into an oultet.

that MiniGen does not have to be water cooled. You just remove a simple piece on the inside and run it. no problems whatsoever. just will add some heat to your room but not much and your setup should be able to handle it.

You have to wire an external relay to use 220v. The internal relay on all of the co2 controllers are single pole. You use it to contol a 24v loop and an external double pole relay with a 24v coil. Then you would use a 24dc power supply that works with your power system to power the sensor and the relay. Lot simpler than it sounds.

there's an ebay shop that sells that exact same telaire sensor, he will wire one up to be used with 220 fr a lot less than that CAP unit sell for.

I'll try to find the ad.