First grow since i got old!! Who wants to help?

cannabisdreams said:

All you need to clone is your preferred medium (i use peat based seed starter and perlite) and a humidity dome (seed starter domes with the trays from walmart and family dollar for 5-8 bucks). Cut with clean sharp scissors at an angle (so the stem has a point) and put them in the medium/soil ... water, put the dome on and leave them alone! I usually dont have to water them often at all and when I do, I water the bottom tray so the roots are encouraged to grow down to get it. I have about 85-90% success (failures are always due to me 'checking' them too often and/or the cutting was too small). In veg stage they take about 10 days to root, in flower they take longer, I have one now on day 17 and the roots are just getting big enough to transplant.

Its really not that complicated and you'll get the hang of it quick. There are tons of methods... some just stick them in water with an airstone. Main thing to know is... leave them alone once they are set.

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See I didn't know how long to leave it in humidity dome. I made my own himidity some because I didn't need a big tray. So I took to good size bowl tray (clear ) and made a dome out of it for anywhere between 1 to 4 clones. I'm only trying to do one though. Would you suggest full seal or small air vent?
I think I'm also going to try a lighter medium like yours. I am using the same potting mix I use for my plants, which is the same I use thru hole schedule because I'm on budget and I figure after multiple water will flush harsh mutes for budding stage. Which two are going throw now and seem to be doing great in the soil.
Thank you so much for your response. Cloning has been made complicated to me because people never talk about what you after you close the lid on the dome. I didn't know to leave them alone. In fact I took bad advice from a you tuber who said to essentially burp the cloning dome with fresh air once a day or two. The potential clone seems mostly healthy for now but I doubt it will flourish I think I messed it up but I will leave it be for a few days, if it dies completely then yeah I will start over. Right now it's only some of the leaves thy have wilted but the point where new verticality grows is healthy green. So fingers crossed.. I wonder if the honey really helps. Kind of makes sense honey is sugar plants like sugar. Seeing how you damage a branch and it needs to heal it would new high sugar content. Idk lol just blowing smile out my bum lol . Thanks again.

sk8er_kbw said:

See I didn't know how long to leave it in humidity dome. I made my own himidity some because I didn't need a big tray. So I took to good size bowl tray (clear ) and made a dome out of it for anywhere between 1 to 4 clones. I'm only trying to do one though. Would you suggest full seal or small air vent?
I think I'm also going to try a lighter medium like yours. I am using the same potting mix I use for my plants, which is the same I use thru hole schedule because I'm on budget and I figure after multiple water will flush harsh mutes for budding stage. Which two are going throw now and seem to be doing great in the soil.
Thank you so much for your response. Cloning has been made complicated to me because people never talk about what you after you close the lid on the dome. I didn't know to leave them alone. In fact I took bad advice from a you tuber who said to essentially burp the cloning dome with fresh air once a day or two. The potential clone seems mostly healthy for now but I doubt it will flourish I think I messed it up but I will leave it be for a few days, if it dies completely then yeah I will start over. Right now it's only some of the leaves thy have wilted but the point where new verticality grows is healthy green. So fingers crossed.. I wonder if the honey really helps. Kind of makes sense honey is sugar plants like sugar. Seeing how you damage a branch and it needs to heal it would new high sugar content. Idk lol just blowing smile out my bum lol . Thanks again.

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If the dome is small, I'd put a small hole or two near the bottom for a little bit of air flow.. .I use the big tray and keep the dome lid on with no air holes I'll see some condensation on a corner or two but not the whole dome. I've had clones die when I tried to do one in solo cup with a clear solo cup on top.. I think it wasn't getting enough air. I take the top off of my dome and make sure there's still a little water in the bottom every day. If its dry, i even might let it go a day before adding more.. depends on how young they are (i keep it a little wetter when i start em out for a few days) I think the trick is consistent temp/humidity, a little light and leaving them alone. If you keep pulling them up to see if a root has formed, they won't like it at all.

Your soil will work... I did it in the same crap soil I had my first plants in I might have lost one but it was a small cut anyway (not a lot of stem) I like my cuts to have at least two inches of stem so i can put atleast an inch into the soil and the leaves dont touch the soil.

I'm hijacking Growpop's thread again

sk8er_kbw said:

See I didn't know how long to leave it in humidity dome. I made my own himidity some because I didn't need a big tray. So I took to good size bowl tray (clear ) and made a dome out of it for anywhere between 1 to 4 clones. I'm only trying to do one though. Would you suggest full seal or small air vent?
I think I'm also going to try a lighter medium like yours. I am using the same potting mix I use for my plants, which is the same I use thru hole schedule because I'm on budget and I figure after multiple water will flush harsh mutes for budding stage. Which two are going throw now and seem to be doing great in the soil.
Thank you so much for your response. Cloning has been made complicated to me because people never talk about what you after you close the lid on the dome. I didn't know to leave them alone. In fact I took bad advice from a you tuber who said to essentially burp the cloning dome with fresh air once a day or two. The potential clone seems mostly healthy for now but I doubt it will flourish I think I messed it up but I will leave it be for a few days, if it dies completely then yeah I will start over. Right now it's only some of the leaves thy have wilted but the point where new verticality grows is healthy green. So fingers crossed.. I wonder if the honey really helps. Kind of makes sense honey is sugar plants like sugar. Seeing how you damage a branch and it needs to heal it would new high sugar content. Idk lol just blowing smile out my bum lol . Thanks again.

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If its wilted and you've given it water, its probably too hot in there... so maybe add an air hole. You should definitely open the dome once or even a few times a day... that's fine... just dont touch the clones. If you think the stem is damaged or you didn't cut it well... you can recut and start over.... one clean sharp cut and then into the dirt. Do you have a pic? how big is it? How long since you cut it from the plant... what stage was the mother in? lol..

I dont mess with sugar or anything like that. I think Growpops uses molasses so he can answer that one.

cannabisdreams said:

If its wilted and you've given it water, its probably too hot in there... so maybe add an air hole. You should definitely open the dome once or even a few times a day... that's fine... just dont touch the clones. If you think the stem is damaged or you didn't cut it well... you can recut and start over.... one clean sharp cut and then into the dirt. Do you have a pic? how big is it? How long since you cut it from the plant... what stage was the mother in? lol..

I dont mess with sugar or anything like that. I think Growpops uses molasses so he can answer that one.

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Grow pops how does the sugar based rooter work for your clones?
Cannabisdreams , the attached pic is the mother. I think I have to redo it because it's wilted bad today should it be set in the shade or direct shade?
I understand the cutting process n all, I just don't know how much light or how hot or cool to keep me. The soil I'm using is actually pretty decent. The ratings on it are the ratios one would try to be around. It's called sta green 6 month potting mix and fertilizer.

cannabisdreams said:

If its wilted and you've given it water, its probably too hot in there... so maybe add an air hole. You should definitely open the dome once or even a few times a day... that's fine... just dont touch the clones. If you think the stem is damaged or you didn't cut it well... you can recut and start over.... one clean sharp cut and then into the dirt. Do you have a pic? how big is it? How long since you cut it from the plant... what stage was the mother in? lol..

I dont mess with sugar or anything like that. I think Growpops uses molasses so he can answer that one.

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For someone reason I can't post pics. I don't have a computer , I'm using iPhone 6 and this site doesn't like that. Shit the moderators aren't even letting me start my own journal.

sk8er_kbw said:

Grow pops how does the sugar based rooter work for your clones?
Cannabisdreams , the attached pic is the mother. I think I have to redo it because it's wilted bad today should it be set in the shade or direct shade?
I understand the cutting process n all, I just don't know how much light or how hot or cool to keep me. The soil I'm using is actually pretty decent. The ratings on it are the ratios one would try to be around. It's called sta green 6 month potting mix and fertilizer.

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you want them in the shade. they wont need any amount of light for a while.. till they grow roots. I would say between 75-80 is best as far as temp. I bet yours is too hot

Subcool says 78 degrees on the dot is essential. I have had perfect results just putting them in soil and keeping them in the shade under other plants for a week. After that they explode with growth.

Works with tomatoes too

cannabisdreams said:

I'm hijacking Growpop's thread again

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By all means do. LOL I just got done putting in a garden for my niece and was finishing dinner.
Listen to this woman she is my hero. I think we were trained by the same old hippie. Let me shower and I will jump in.

cannabisdreams said:

you want them in the shade. they wont need any amount of light for a while.. till they grow roots. I would say between 75-80 is best as far as temp. I bet yours is too hot

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Yup that's exactly it, burned up. Highly doubt I'm going to be able to save it. It's okay though , trial and error is part of being new. I was under the understanding they need a lot of light. I'm going to take a clone from the same mom again and this time I'll keep it in shade. It looked fine for the first two days but those days weren't as hot as today was. Thanks again for all the advice.

GrowPops said:

By all means do. LOL I just got done putting in a garden for my niece and was finishing dinner.
Listen to this woman she is my hero. I think we were trained by the same old hippie. Let me shower and I will jump in.

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we should find that old hippie and thank him!

Wow! Looong day. And the water heater for some reason lost the pilot light. At exactly the right time for there to be not even warm water for my shower. I know its been windy but there is still a roof on the house. So we smoked a bowl to celebrate the fact that it relit easily with no funny business. Caught up on the days events and planned for my youngest daughters graduation while things warmed up. AHHHH!! Hot water is like salve to both muscles and the mind. I put in a new garden for my niece from scratch today. My wife gave her four heirloom Black Krim tomato plants from the cold frame. She then asked what was the best way to plant them ( with that look in her eye) as my wife says in a garden. That's when it came to me !!! It was a setup set up.

GrowPops said:

Wow! Looong day. And the water heater for some reason lost the pilot light. At exactly the right time for there to be not even warm water for my shower. I know its been windy but there is still a roof on the house. So we smoked a bowl to celebrate the fact that it relit easily with no funny business. Caught up on the days events and planned for my youngest daughters graduation while things warmed up. AHHHH!! Hot water is like salve to both muscles and the mind. I put in a new garden for my niece from scratch today. My wife gave her four heirloom Black Krim tomato plants from the cold frame. She then asked what was the best way to plant them ( with that look in her eye) as my wife says in a garden. That's when it came to me !!! It was a setup set up.

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I'm not incredibly swift on the uptake when the gal's are scamming me either.
Not like it really bugs me to be honest though.

@sk8er_kbw Welcome to RIU.
I believe their is a certain number of post one must make before they can post pictures.
Clones, The method I have had the most success with is exactly the same as @cannabisdreams has explained. Only difference is she states it so even I can understand it. Haha. I Cut the stem just above the node I want the plant to be topped at, at a 45 deg angle then quickly dip in RO water then in rooting hormone, (cheap powder stuff from Lowes) then place about 1 inch deep in pre-moistened seed starter soil That has about a 3/4 inch deep hole prepared with a alchohol swabbed sharpened pencil up to paint line, and lightly compress around the stem making sure no air holes. I leave as much of the hormone on it as possible but don't add it to the hole. Then give it about 15 or 20 drops of water. Place in a humidity dome,(with a couple holes at the bottom edge for circulation) Mist once on clone and once on inner lid. Leave them alone. Florescent light only and not too close. Once a day I will lift the lid and blow across the tops.(ups the CO2 a little and forces a small exchange of air) I Never pull on the plant to check for roots. Ussually in 10 to 14 days I will be seeing signs of growth and vitality telling me she is feeding. at that point I pull the dome and give a slight mist in celebration. I watch them close for signs of .....anything really for a day or so incase they needed the extra humidity. Moist but not soaked, Like she said you want them roots reaching and searching for the water. That's the balance, getting enough moisture in to sustain life while spending the plants energy forming roots.
Mixed success for me in that department. Here is my latest experiment. DIY bubble cloner. Three have been potted up to 1 gallon and placed outside. One is a leaf... Literally one leaf left. and is alone in a 2'x4' veg cabinet t the moment.

P.S. The picture of the plant is the PK in my cab. One of the surviving clones was taken from that plant that day. PK-1, PK-2, and WD-3 made it. SD-2 is the leaf.

GreatwhiteNorth said:

I'm not incredibly swift on the uptake when the gal's are scamming me either.
Not like it really bugs me to be honest though.

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Not with this one anyway. My niece/goddaughter, Single mom of two boys 2 & 4 (which we watch a few days a week so she can work). They love helping Nanny water the plants and help dig in the garden. I even had the 4 year old helping put the roof on the potting table. I had mentioned to them that day about them needing a garden at home so it was kind of ironic actually cause nanny wasn't with us when we talked.

GreatwhiteNorth said:

I'm not incredibly swift on the uptake when the gal's are scamming me either.
Not like it really bugs me to be honest though.

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We dont manipulate the men we dont like....

I used to have a super success rate with cloning in soil & then something went south - they were dropping like flies from damping off.
I know how to fix it, but just couldn't. Due to time constraints I got one of these.
http://www.amazon.com/OxyClone-Cloning-System-20-Slots/dp/B00B61UBJM?SubscriptionId=AKIAIKBZ7IH7LXTW3ARA&&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00B61UBJM&tag=wwwbookcompar-20&ascsubtag=555c10ec26a3dc2b34fe7dbf

I just take the cuts, plug it in & have monster roots in 2 weeks or so.

I ain't lookin back.

I can give several reasons for the poor success rate with this cloner.
11 clones ended up with roots as only 4 died outright in the cloner.
9 made it into cups as 2 were stuck in the foam plugs and broke.
6 survived to come out of the infirmary (10 gallon aquarium with screen top for 1/2 the humidity of the dome and warmer) 3 died from shock or not enough roots
4 survive now as mentioned above. (verdict still out on the leaf)

GreatwhiteNorth said:

I used to have a super success rate with cloning in soil & then something went south - they were dropping like flies from damping off.
I know how to fix it, but just couldn't. Due to time constraints I got one of these.
http://www.amazon.com/OxyClone-Cloning-System-20-Slots/dp/B00B61UBJM?SubscriptionId=AKIAIKBZ7IH7LXTW3ARA&&linkCode=xm2&camp=2025&creative=165953&creativeASIN=B00B61UBJM&tag=wwwbookcompar-20&ascsubtag=555c10ec26a3dc2b34fe7dbf

I just take the cuts, plug it in & have monster roots in 2 weeks or so.

I ain't lookin back.

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From what I experienced with my homie job it has ultimate potential. I like going with soil because I hate touching the roots or disturbing them in any way. When transplanting these I know operator error killed several. But Im excited to apply stable cloning technique for a real test.
Mind you this was a last ditch effort to determine sex on 15 plants from an overly successful seed propagation that outgrew the space. I was trying not to have to flip them all but.....alas the girls showed and the clones didn't. The plugs were only 1/2 inch long and the stems barely protruded through. You can see how the leaves and all are stuffed in there. All I wanted was to know sex so i didn't spend much time fussing because they only had to live a couple weeks right. I took all the available foliage above the 4th node where I was topping. Yes there are 6 nodes on that plant. Keeping short for closet restriction.

This all brings me to tomorrows propagation plans.
Anyone ever tried air layering?